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Bond 23 - "Skyfall" *spoilers from post 595*

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    #92
    Mister Jingles
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,190 ✭✭✭Mister Jingles


    OldeCinemaSoz wrote: »
    it's a pity that john RIP barry won't be back to do the soundtrack although getting annie lennox to do the vocals might be nice...

    :)


    it's not craig that's the problem imho it's the whole decline of the franchise...

    basically the bond film needs reinvention. and how it could do that i've no idea...

    To be fair though it did get that with Casio Royal. Darker, no gadget nonsense (Q), more violent and Craig making an effort especially with his fight scenes.

    I used to love watching Bond films when I was younger (I'm still young btw :pac: ) and that would include Moore's ones as well however I reckon if was to go back today and look at them all again (moore ones) I would probably cringe especially with A View To A Kill. He was 58 making that I believe.


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    #93
    OldeCinemaSoz
    Registered Users Posts: 829 ✭✭✭OldeCinemaSoz


    well it seems the whole thing is going to be reinvented in Bognor Regis...?!?!? :D

    "The previous 'Bond' instalment 'Quantum of Solace' was shot in six countries; Italy, Spain, Mexico, the UK, Panama and Chile...."

    and we all know how a pile of cow dung THAT turned out to be! :rolleyes:


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    #94
    Liamario
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    I think most people can agree that Casino Royale was the reinvention they needed. Quantum of Solace unfortunately decided to go back to the series' roots; which was a big mistake.
    If the can use Casino Royale as a starting point and continue to explore the darker side of Bond, they can rejuvenate the series


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    #95
    dr gonzo
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    I think the real problem with the Bond films (perfectly exemplified by QoS) is that the filmmakers are either afraid or forbidden to veer away from the original material. For example Quantum of Solace was serious bottom of the barrel stuff because the went digging through Flemings notes for anything that hadnt been made already.

    Now the new film might be original, so apologies if im way off, but considering how much crap they stripped off for Casino Royal, Bond as a character is really all that remains and matters. After that they just need a good screenwriter to come up with an action story that involves various locations and a hot girl, et voila, a new bond story that doesnt rely on Flemings dregs.


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    #96
    senordingdong
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    dr gonzo wrote: »
    I think the real problem with the Bond films a new bond story that doesnt rely on Flemings dregs.

    Is that to say that all previous 22 Bond films were all based on some form of story that Flemming had written?


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    #97
    krudler
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    senordingdong wrote: »
    Is that to say that all previous 22 Bond films were all based on some form of story that Flemming had written?

    a lot of them, some were amalgamations of other stories afaik.

    I didnt mind QOS so much, its not awful, just a bit flat, and its got a fantastic opening sequence.


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    #98
    senordingdong
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    krudler wrote: »
    a lot of them, some were amalgamations of other stories afaik.

    I didnt mind QOS so much, its not awful, just a bit flat, and its got a fantastic opening sequence.

    The opening sequence was good but I felt it watered down the last scene of CR, which I thought was brilliant end to the film.


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    #99
    OldeCinemaSoz
    Registered Users Posts: 829 ✭✭✭OldeCinemaSoz


    What can beat a Bond saving a Countessa from impending suicide, kicking the living daylights out of two big henchmen and only being left with two of her shoes...?!?!

    "This never happened to THE OTHER FELLA!!!"

    :cool:


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    #100
    JP Liz V1
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    Sam Mendes first videoblog

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NRY55wrWSwM
    https://forumofgames.com/




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    #101
    foxyboxer
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    I believe the Bourne films were the catalyst for instigating a Bond 're-invention'.

    The well received 'reality' based action scenes in those films simply rendered the outdated Bond movies redundant.

    Casino Royale was a success because of it's literate screenplay, Bourne-esque action sequences and Craig's acclaimed performance (after some harsh criticism of his initial casting). It was hailed as a worthy departure from the Bond formula. However, QOS did not enjoy that 'element of surprise' to which Casino Royale benefited. It was simply a muddled mess of a movie.

    Perhaps the Bond producers didn't want to change in the first place but were compelled to do so and felt quite happy to continue on with the bienniel offering of the established formula with the 'cartoon' spy character with his gadgets, blatant product placement and cheesy double entendre's :D

    For realistic spy movies we can include Tinker, Tailor as the standard bearer.
    Now we'll have to wait and see what Skyfall will bring.

    Bond is such a fantastic character but given his iconic status, there has never been much 'experimentation' if you will. Casino Royale seemed so fresh because it explored the characters origins. QOS was so dull because the character was established and was simply a bulked up, unsmiling, taciturn man on a mission. The movie could have benefited from a little experimentation. For example, have we ever seen Bond have an internal monologue? It could have been an excellent detective story of how Bond, seeking revenge and validation for Vesper's death, longed to uncover the outfit behind her killing. The internal monologues could have been describing the conflict between his hurt feelings say and the need to maintain the composed and cold exterior.

    But in QOS we simply see the cold exterior and it doesn't work.
    Let's hope they play around with the character more and is not simply a well dressed bouncer again.


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    #102
    spankmaster2000
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    Maybe the Bond series could benefit from the experimentation of a new director with each incarnation; similar to the way that the Mission Impossible series has. (not that they're all good films mind you! But, it could work better for Bond.)


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    #103
    OldeCinemaSoz
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    i think helen mirren would be quite fab
    as M in skyfall...

    :)


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    #104
    senordingdong
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    spankmaster2000 wrote: »
    Maybe the Bond series could benefit from the experimentation of a new director with each incarnation; similar to the way that the Mission Impossible series has. (not that they're all good films mind you! But, it could work better for Bond.)

    If each film was it's own episode then yeah, but if they are going for a serial arc like they have with CR/QOS then that would be a disaster.


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    #105
    OldeCinemaSoz
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    Craig said recently that Skyfall is going to get back to
    basics. Hopefully. After QOS, a Bourne w*nk wanabee,
    there can't be very much way but up?

    :p


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    #106
    [Deleted User]
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    Tom hardy and Nolan doing bond. Would definitely watch that.


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    #107
    JimmyWontFixIt
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    As crazy as it may be...

    Tom Hardy may one day be bond. He is british, has the charm and is in the age bracket.


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    #108
    grohlisagod
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    One thing that really intrigues me is the casting of Ben Whishaw as Q. He's an excellent actor and it's an interesting tweak to make Q a young character. I know it won't have much influence on the overall story but it'll be interesting to see how it plays out.

    I'm a fan of Mendes and the film looks to have an excellent cast so I'm actually really looking forward to this installment of the series.


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    #109
    FlashD
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    I'm thinking Hardy is a long way off.

    It's been said before but Clive Owen will probably be next to step into the shoes.


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    #110
    Sad Professor
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 22,671 CMod ✭✭✭✭Sad Professor


    No, I think Owen's chance at Bond is gone. He's older than Craig and his star status is rapidly dwindling. By the time Craig retires from the role no one will remember who Owen is.


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    #111
    DrumSteve
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    Sad Professor wrote: »
    No, I think Owen's chance at Bond is gone. He's older than Craig and his star status is rapidly dwindling. By the time Craig retires from the role no one will remember who Owen is.

    Really? Last thing I seen him in was Trust and that was good.


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    #112
    Sad Professor
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    Trust ended up going straight-to-DVD. Intruders was unceremoniously pulled from Irish cinemas after a few days and it's only getting a limited release in the US before it goes straight-to-DVD as well. The same faith probably would have befallen Killer Elite if not for De Niro's presence. I'm pretty sure one or two of his previous films were straight-to-DVD jobs as well.

    The guy might be a good actor, but he clearly has no pulling power with audiences which is pretty essential in order to be considered a movie star. He's close to being box office poison at this point.


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    #113
    Saganist
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    Does anyone know what the next Bond Song is going to be ?


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    #114
    aidan_walsh
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    Saganist wrote: »
    Does anyone know what the next Bond Song is going to be ?
    Filming has only been going a few weeks, the song (or indeed the artist) usually doesn't get announced until much later in development.


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    #115
    al28283
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    TonyD79 wrote: »
    Can see the third film being crap and them getting in Nolan in to direct with Hardy as bond!!!:D..Freeman/Caine as Q?!!!

    Please god no!


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    #116
    Sad Professor
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 22,671 CMod ✭✭✭✭Sad Professor


    Nolan already did a Bond film. It was called Inception. Plus, there's plenty of Bond influences in his Batman films.


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    #117
    al28283
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,062 ✭✭✭al28283


    Sad Professor wrote: »
    Nolan already did a Bond film. It was called Inception. Plus, there's plenty of Bond influences in his Batman films.

    Bond movies aren't full of flashbacks and manboys asking questions every 2 seconds


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    #118
    OldeCinemaSoz
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    Saganist wrote: »
    Does anyone know what the next Bond Song is going to be ?

    No idea. But, I'm just hoping it'll be voiced by Annie Lennox.

    :cool:


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    #119
    FlashD
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    Sad Professor wrote: »
    No, I think Owen's chance at Bond is gone. He's older than Craig and his star status is rapidly dwindling. By the time Craig retires from the role no one will remember who Owen is.

    Yes, but there is no guarantee that Craig will be signed up for more Bonds, this is his last film on his current contract.

    A furthur 5 films with Craig are under review but i'm not aware he signed any contract as yet.

    I don't mind if he gets it, I think he has been excellent in the role. When you factor in 2 years to make each film he will be early 50's by the time his final film comes round which isn't too bad. Though i'm guessing audiences might be a bit tired of him at that stage.


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    #120
    Wintergreen
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    Really looking forward to this. I know a lot of people think the new movies are just Bourne clones and they do owe a lot to that franchise but I think the Bond series needed to go in this grittier direction. The last films with Brosnan (who I actually though was a great Bond!) were awful!

    I wonder will they ever get around to finishing off the Casino Royal/QOS storyline? I know plenty of people here hated QOS and I was'nt too impressed at first until I sat down and watched them back to back. Id really like to see it tied up in the future, though it seems unlikely :(

    Ive high hopes for Skyfall. It has great people involved on the project and im thinking this may well shape up to be my favourite Bond yet, Goldeneye is my favourite currently!


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    #121
    OldeCinemaSoz
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    The Neeson should've been given the chance.

    After rubbish like THE A SCREAM and delivering the goods
    in TAKEN, he's back it seems for TAKEN 2 directed by the loser
    who did COLUMBANIA or whatever...

    He'd be great to put on THE TUXEDO.

    :)

    The Craig on the otherhand is a little snivelling c*nt just like the Bond franchaise in recent years. As the olde adage goes..."Sleep with dogs and you get up with.....!"

    :P


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