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Secret Diary of a Dublin Call Girl

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  • #122
    BarackPyjama
    Closed Accounts Posts: 974 ✭✭✭BarackPyjama


    neuro-praxis wrote: »
    I presume you are asking me if I agree? Obviously I haven't asserted anything of the kind here. Do I think there are some women who would rather sell sex than work in McDonalds? I don't know. You would be better off asking someone who has been a prostitute. Incidentally, it's not that easy to get a job in Spar or McDonalds at the moment, so I'm not sure we're talking about preference.

    Well obviously there are women who are happier earning €200 an hour having sex with strangers than earning minimum wage. I'm open to correction... but I'm assuming prostitution was fairly rife during the Celtic Tiger when pretty much anyone in Ireland could at least get a minimum wage job. Just some chose not to.
    neuro-praxis wrote: »
    As someone who has only had sex in a loving context, it's a massive stretch of the imagination for me.

    Good for you. I've seen men and women shag like the clappers and act like animals on nights out. Without payment. Just men and women being, basically, slags. Not my thing (or yours apparently) but some people just don't have the same spiritual leanings towards sex as we do.
    neuro-praxis wrote: »
    However I can understand a woman being coerced into prostitution, or turning to it in dire circumstances.

    I can't really see how a woman coerced into prostitution might turn to it in dire circumstances. She's either coerced... or she turns to it in dire circumstances. They're two different things.

    Personally I think that there are at least a fair ratio of woman selling sex for a living simply because it pays extremely well and is a better alternative to working for minimum wage.


  • #123
    Eileen_Lang
    Closed Accounts Posts: 134 ✭✭Eileen_Lang


    BarackPyjama wrote: »
    Do you assert that there are some women without any scruples towards sex that would prefer to sell sex for €200 an hour rather than work in, say, Spar or McDonalds for €9 an hour?

    After giving it a lot of thought I think there are...for a huge variety of reasons...for instance of you have children, proper, fulltime childcare can cost more than you would make in spar or Macdonalds...(just babysitting for some special needs kids can cost €15 an hour or more!)...a few hours of responsible babysitting here and there far cheaper...do the math...
    BarackPyjama wrote: »
    Personally I can't think of anything worse (than selling ones body for sex) myself. But it's an honest question. I've met loads of 'normal' men and women who'd get up on a barber's floor after a few pints so it's not a huge stretch of the imagination.

    However horrible it is, at the end of the day it is about balancing the cost with the gain...and that is a very individual thing...

    There are people sex is really not a big deal to...so it *costs* them less than someone else - or there are people who needs the money desperately so that the gain is greater than for someone else.

    I would say, as a rule, that unless you are *ABSOLUTELY SURE* selling sex is the best possible choice for the person you really are, in the circumstances you really find yourself in DO NOT EVEN THINK ABOUT IT.

    ...and it is too complex a dilemma for any third party to have a chance of understanding enough about all the factors involved in the context of *you* to be able to make the right choice on your behalf.


  • #124
    Eileen_Lang
    Closed Accounts Posts: 134 ✭✭Eileen_Lang


    BarackPyjama wrote: »

    Personally I think that there are at least a fair ratio of woman selling sex for a living simply because it pays extremely well and is a better alternative to working for minimum wage.

    I am inclined to agree with you (I only focus on the desperate women because Eileen Lang, literally, exists, to firefight the terrible damage these proposed laws will do to them...everything else is secondary, which is *not* the same as non-existant!).

    ...and you know what? If that is their own decision, based on their own needs and natures, then nobody has any right to obstruct, persecute or condemn them - or their clients.


  • #125
    JaneOrange
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11 ✭JaneOrange


    Eileen_Lang wrote: »




    Of course I do...why else do you think I haven't named her? :confused::confused::confused:


    Just caught up on this thread after trawling through many essay long comments.

    I've been reading dublinCallGirl's blog for the last few days and find it really interesting and quite powerful. I find this quote from Eileen interesting, that she now claims she knows who the writer is behind the blog. It seems to be the climax to a long line of fairly conflicting and attention seeking rants.

    I'm just wondering if there is some jealousy or resentment on your part Eileen, that this girl is getting a lot of positive feedback and attention for her blog in contrast with the stopthelights website you seem to be pushing at people.


  • #126
    Eileen_Lang
    Closed Accounts Posts: 134 ✭✭Eileen_Lang


    JaneOrange wrote: »
    Just caught up on this thread after trawling through many essay long comments.

    I've been reading dublinCallGirl's blog for the last few days and find it really interesting and quite powerful. I find this quote from Eileen interesting, that she now claims she knows who the writer is behind the blog. It seems to be the climax to a long line of fairly conflicting and attention seeking rants.

    I'm just wondering if there is some jealousy or resentment on your part Eileen, that this girl is getting a lot of positive feedback and attention for her blog in contrast with the stopthelights website you seem to be pushing at people.

    Of course not...and don't worry...I REALLY wouldn't dream of naming you. ;)


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  • #127
    JaneOrange
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11 ✭JaneOrange


    Yeah.... i'm not the writer if that's what you're getting at. You're also proving that you're not a very credible source of information.


  • #128
    Eileen_Lang
    Closed Accounts Posts: 134 ✭✭Eileen_Lang


    JaneOrange wrote: »
    Yeah.... i'm not the writer if that's what you're getting at. You're also proving that you're not a very credible source of information.

    If you say so. ;)


  • #129
    JaneOrange
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11 ✭JaneOrange


    Why do you keep winking at me?

    What is your agenda here? I looked at your website and I'm still no clearer on what you're trying to achieve. What outside of trolling around the internet are you doing to try and help women in similar situations to the one you found yourself in?


  • #130
    midlandsmissus
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,838 ✭✭✭midlandsmissus


    JaneOrange wrote: »
    Just caught up on this thread after trawling through many essay long comments.

    I've been reading dublinCallGirl's blog for the last few days and find it really interesting and quite powerful. I find this quote from Eileen interesting, that she now claims she knows who the writer is behind the blog. It seems to be the climax to a long line of fairly conflicting and attention seeking rants.

    I'm just wondering if there is some jealousy or resentment on your part Eileen, that this girl is getting a lot of positive feedback and attention for her blog in contrast with the stopthelights website you seem to be pushing at people.

    I've skipped every one of Eileen Lang's comments as they actually hurt my brain. We were having a good discussion beforehand :mad:.


  • #131
    Eileen_Lang
    Closed Accounts Posts: 134 ✭✭Eileen_Lang


    JaneOrange wrote: »
    Why do you keep winking at me?

    What is your agenda here? I looked at your website and I'm still no clearer on what you're trying to achieve. What outside of trolling around the internet are you doing to try and help women in similar situations to the one you found yourself in?

    What are you doing to help anyone?


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  • #132
    JaneOrange
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11 ✭JaneOrange


    I tried to make sense out of them, but it just seems to me that she's using unnecessarily large comments to say very little. And when she gets questioned about what she's on about she twists and inflames her own views or language to the point that its not even believable.

    Anyway, apart from that I also found it interesting the amount of people that don't find the blog believable. I can't figure out what page it's on (...) but there was a guy saying that he didn't believe it because it was too well written? Or that she seems too intelligent to be a prostitute.
    I think it's harder to believe that someone would commit so much time and energy into creating a fake blog, that has resinated with so many people in similar situations, than to believe she is genuine. Maybe it's just the culture we live in though, people would rather keep there heads in the sand and refuse to believe that there is something so horrible happening to normal women right under their noses.


  • #133
    JaneOrange
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11 ✭JaneOrange


    Eileen_Lang wrote: »
    What are you doing to help anyone?

    I'm not the one on a crusade here Eileen, you are. I have nothing to prove. All I'm doing is asking you to explain your intentions or agenda in a clear and concise way, so I and others can understand. You're getting yourself nowhere by writing pages and pages of brain dribble, hoping someone will get it.


  • #134
    midlandsmissus
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,838 ✭✭✭midlandsmissus


    JaneOrange wrote: »
    I'm not the one on a crusade here Eileen, you are. I have nothing to prove. All I'm doing is asking you to explain your intentions or agenda in a clear and concise way, so I and others can understand. You're getting yourself nowhere by writing pages and pages of brain dribble, hoping someone will get it.

    I agree, Eileen Lang if you want to keep contributing please change your writing style to a more readable one, it is bringing down the whole thread.


  • #135
    Eileen_Lang
    Closed Accounts Posts: 134 ✭✭Eileen_Lang


    JaneOrange wrote: »
    I'm not the one on a crusade here Eileen, you are. I have nothing to prove. All I'm doing is asking you to explain your intentions or agenda in a clear and concise way, so I and others can understand. You're getting yourself nowhere by writing pages and pages of brain dribble, hoping someone will get it.

    You activated your account just to make personal attacks on me so I think I had better stop feeding you now.

    :)


  • #136
    JaneOrange
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11 ✭JaneOrange


    Eileen_Lang wrote: »
    You activated your account just to make personal attacks on me so I think I had better stop feeding you now.

    :)

    I've had this account since December.
    I don't mean to attack you, i'm just trying to point out that you're getting yourself nowhere by going on the way you are.

    I came onto this thread with an interest into what other people thought of DCG's blog, as I was so affected by it myself. Then after reading all of your comments, I was confused as to what your direction was. That's all I want to know, what are you getting out of this?


  • #137
    Eileen_Lang
    Closed Accounts Posts: 134 ✭✭Eileen_Lang


    JaneOrange wrote: »
    I've had this account since December.
    I don't mean to attack you, i'm just trying to point out that you're getting yourself nowhere by going on the way you are.

    I came onto this thread with an interest into what other people thought of DCG's blog, as I was so affected by it myself. Then after reading all of your comments, I was confused as to what your direction was.

    I do not actually believe a word of this. You may have had the account since December for any number of reasons, but you most definately *activated* it tonight just to personally attack me. That is not even subtle. ;)

    But perhaps this is almost an honest question so I will answer it.
    JaneOrange wrote: »
    That's all I want to know, what are you getting out of this?

    I am not getting anything out of it in any usual sense...in fact it is costing me a tremendous amount of hard work, time and energy...not to mention the money and the ever present risk.

    I spent years out there with those women behind the glass wall, in a parallel world that nobody wants to see, much less believe in or care about, a world where all that may, for all I know, be kind, safe and generous about the rest of the world is suspended, and all that is left is survival, and the bravest face you can put on that.

    I know what it is like to be trapped there helpless while people with safe comfortable lives do all they can to harry and persecute you, making things even worse and harder for you, and the worst of all are those who pay themselves generous salaries make things worse on the pretence of "helping" or "rescuing" you.

    I know what it is like to live in dread of that kind damage.

    It is as if you are drowning and nobody does anything but turn the hose on you...and god knows what kind of harm will be done to you if you dare raise your head above the parapet and scream the truth...

    "Turn off the Red Light" is just a cynical political exercise in exploiting them for advantage that does not even pay lip service to their real needs, and is more than happy to roll over what is left of their lives like a Panzer Division.

    The women, are sitting targets, they cannot even afford the consequences of standing up for themselves and fighting for the recognition and justice they have deserved, and desperately needed all along...

    I cannot afford to fight for the recognition and justice they need and deserve either...

    ...but on the other hand I could not live with myself if I do not.

    That is what is "in it for" me...


  • #138
    Babybuff
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,118 ✭✭✭Babybuff


    I need to take a breather from this thread and while I've said as much as I think I can about how I felt wrt the topic (DCG's blog, a view I continue to support) I think it's important to note that on the issue of prostitution in general I think most people on boards would support any action which protects those who work in the industry.

    This was my first post on boards under this account and I wasn't aware at all at the time that the issue would become the subject of any kind of depth discussion, in fact that entire thread gives a much better insight into the leanings of many posters here and as you can see there appears to be a majority in favour of some form of regulation, so lets get that much out of the way.

    But this isn't a political forum and there isn't a political agenda here.
    Eileen, I have no doubt that you have plenty to say on the issue and I am still interested in your viewpoint as long as it's concise and makes a point without having to detract or denigrate the points made by others who have shared their experiences while doing so, and in this case DCG's blog is as valid as anyone elses.

    wish you the best either way


  • #139
    Eileen_Lang
    Closed Accounts Posts: 134 ✭✭Eileen_Lang


    Babybuff wrote: »
    I need to take a breather from this thread and while I've said as much as I think I can about how I felt wrt the topic (DCG's blog, a view I continue to support) I think it's important to note that on the issue of prostitution in general I think most people on boards would support any action which protects those who work in the industry.

    This was my first post on boards under this account and I wasn't aware at all at the time that the issue would become the subject of any kind of depth discussion, in fact that entire thread gives a much better insight into the leanings of many posters here and as you can see there appears to be a majority in favour of some form of regulation, so lets get that much out of the way.

    But this isn't a political forum and there isn't a political agenda here.
    Eileen, I have no doubt that you have plenty to say on the issue and I am still interested in your viewpoint as long as it's concise and makes a point without having to detract or denigrate the points made by others who have shared their experiences while doing so, and in this case DCG's blog is as valid as anyone elses.

    wish you the best either way

    Unfortunately I am in the awkward position of knowing for sure that blog is not valid...so I cannot, in all conscience, pretend that it is...that is the most neutral way I can possibly put it...and I am sorry if it make you uncomfortable but probably not as uncomfortable as it makes me. :o

    "Eileen Lang" exists only for this issue...and it would be wrong to pretend otherwise.

    Wishing you the best too.

    :)


  • #140
    fatmammycat
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,208 ✭✭✭fatmammycat


    I don't believe you do *know* it's fiction. I think you have tried to discredit DCG because her experiences do not mirror your own, and now that you've failed in that regard you're pretending you know who she is.


  • #141
    Maple
    Hosted Moderators Posts: 16,186 ✭✭✭✭Maple


    midlandsmissus wrote: »
    JaneOrange wrote: »
    I'm not the one on a crusade here Eileen, you are. I have nothing to prove. All I'm doing is asking you to explain your intentions or agenda in a clear and concise way, so I and others can understand. You're getting yourself nowhere by writing pages and pages of brain dribble, hoping someone will get it.

    I agree, Eileen Lang if you want to keep contributing please change your writing style to a more readable one, it is bringing down the whole thread.
    Simmer down please. This and your post preceding it add nothing to the thread and are arrogant in the extreme.

    Maple


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  • #142
    Eileen_Lang
    Closed Accounts Posts: 134 ✭✭Eileen_Lang


    fatmammycat wrote: »
    I don't believe you do *know* it's fiction. I think you have tried to discredit DCG because her experiences do not mirror your own, and now that you've failed in that regard you're pretending you know who she is.

    You must believe whatever you wish to believe, but, in this instance, you happen to be very wrong. Though I do find it strange that so many people are homing in on *me* for seeing through DCG rather than any of the other people who have seen through her too? Some far more harshly than anything I have said.


  • #143
    neuro-praxis
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,184 ✭✭✭neuro-praxis


    For anyone still reading, here is an eye-opening interview with an American ex-prostitute called Stella Marr.

    http://usedfurniturereview.com/2011/04/14/talking-with-women-stella-marr/


  • #144
    Sally J
    Closed Accounts Posts: 11 ✭Sally J


    Eileen_Lang wrote: »
    Unfortunately I am in the awkward position of knowing for sure that blog is not valid...so I cannot, in all conscience, pretend that it is...that is the most neutral way I can possibly put it...and I am sorry if it make you uncomfortable but probably not as uncomfortable as it makes me. :o

    Sorry but I just HAD to respond to this comment. Eileen, I KNOW DUBLINCALLGIRL PERSONALLY and because I do, I know damn well that you don't, because if you did you wouldn't even think of writing nonsense like the above.

    Her blog is valid, her experiences are valid, SHE is valid, regardless how little these realities suit your perspective and agenda.

    No doubt your delusion will prompt you to doubt that I'm telling the truth. You might be able to lie to people on here about knowing DCG but you won't be able to lie to me. If you'd like to have a shot send me a pm describing how she looks, sounds, dresses and other personal details about her life not posted in her blog. Your nonsense about knowing her blog is not valid will not last five seconds with me and you know it.

    And for the record, Neuro-Praxis has restored my faith in humanity by the way s/he has posted on this thread. Of all the responses nobody else has really 'got' this issue as thoroughly as that.


  • #145
    sunflower27
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,822 ✭✭✭sunflower27


    Sacred_git wrote: »
    the girl is a prostitute, she is being paid to provide a service,which would also include faking it? clearly she has a problem with this side of things, maybe she should find a new career. I have no sympathy for anyone in this trade unless of course she was/is forced into it, she needs to do a better job, shes being paid to do so.
    And as for the inspirational comment/good read, great writer - you need to wake up!

    Yes, I found it all a bit much, too, I have to say.

    She writes about the men as if they are all one and the same. And yet, she is providing a service and being paid for it - and that service is her body. What else are the men going to comment on - her intellect? She is not paid for that, is she?

    Also, she says she knows how to play them at their own game by interacting with them on their sites when she needs extra cash - she is playing the game (excuse pun) and surely can't expect everything on her terms.

    She sells her body for a living, correction, she sells sex with her body for a living. If she finds the whole thing so abhorrant and disgusting, then stop doing it.


  • #146
    Eileen_Lang
    Closed Accounts Posts: 134 ✭✭Eileen_Lang


    Sally J wrote: »
    Sorry but I just HAD to respond to this comment. Eileen, I KNOW DUBLINCALLGIRL PERSONALLY and because I do, I know damn well that you don't, because if you did you wouldn't even think of writing nonsense like the above.

    Her blog is valid, her experiences are valid, SHE is valid, regardless how little these realities suit your perspective and agenda.

    No doubt your delusion will prompt you to doubt that I'm telling the truth. You might be able to lie to people on here about knowing DCG but you won't be able to lie to me. If you'd like to have a shot send me a pm describing how she looks, sounds, dresses and other personal details about her life not posted in her blog. Your nonsense about knowing her blog is not valid will not last five seconds with me and you know it.

    And for the record, Neuro-Praxis has restored my faith in humanity by the way s/he has posted on this thread. Of all the responses nobody else has really 'got' this issue as thoroughly as that.

    Forgive me if I do not regard discussing indentifying details of *anybody* with a brand new ID just set up to attack me, as either wise, or respectful of the individuals concerned. :rolleyes:


  • #147
    Sally J
    Closed Accounts Posts: 11 ✭Sally J


    sunflower27 wrote: »
    And yet, she is providing a service and being paid for it - and that service is her body. What else are the men going to comment on - her intellect?

    Men often 'review' a prostitutes mental state - her apparent unwillingness, reluctance, her physically and emotionally expressed desire not to be there -and then they go off and review her as below par because she so clearly didn't want to do what they paid her to do. They do this instead of questioning why, when they met an exploited and coerced woman, they stuck their dicks in anyway and went off not feeling the slightest bit bad about it.


  • #148
    Sally J
    Closed Accounts Posts: 11 ✭Sally J


    Eileen_Lang wrote: »
    Forgive me if I do not regard discussing indentifying details of *anybody* with a brand new ID just set up to attack me, as either wise, or respectful of the individuals concerned. :rolleyes:

    Wow, self-involved much? I set up my id to start a new thread, which was merged with the 'would you' thread about an hour ago.

    And, let's be clear about this: you are not in a positon to discuss anything about Dublincallgirl because you don't know her.


  • #149
    sunflower27
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,822 ✭✭✭sunflower27


    Sally J wrote: »
    Men often 'review' a prostitutes mental state - her apparent unwillingness, reluctance, her physically and emotionally expressed desire not to be there -and then they go off and review her as below par because she so clearly didn't want to do what they paid her to do. They do this instead of questioning why, when they met an exploited and coerced woman, they stuck their dicks in anyway and went off not feeling the slightest bit bad about it.

    So if she doesn't seem into it then why doesn't she say she doesn't want to do it? She isnt doing it for free is she? She is getting paid for it.

    What do you mean by exploited and coerced woman? I am talking about the woman who wrote the blog here - who chose to be a prostitute to make money. The same woman that seems to be highly offended that men don't want to label her 10/10. No woman is going to be every man's perfect woman, regardless of what she looks like.

    If you are selling yourself and your body then that is what is going to be rated. I'd imagine willingness would be part of the experience from a man's perspective. And it is her clients that are writing the review.

    It is a moot point anyway as men are going to post what they want and nothing I say or anyone else says is going to stop that.


  • #150
    Eileen_Lang
    Closed Accounts Posts: 134 ✭✭Eileen_Lang


    neuro-praxis wrote: »
    For anyone still reading, here is an eye-opening interview with an American ex-prostitute called Stella Marr.

    http://usedfurniturereview.com/2011/04/14/talking-with-women-stella-marr/

    Ah yes, the one who was *coerced* into accepting deed and title to a condo opposite the Lincoln Centre from a British academic who was hardly ever there...

    Another inspirational and highly believable story...:rolleyes:
    sunflower27 wrote: »
    Yes, I found it all a bit much, too, I have to say.

    She writes about the men as if they are all one and the same. And yet, she is providing a service and being paid for it - and that service is her body. What else are the men going to comment on - her intellect? She is not paid for that, is she?

    Also, she says she knows how to play them at their own game by interacting with them on their sites when she needs extra cash - she is playing the game (excuse pun) and surely can't expect everything on her terms.

    She sells her body for a living, correction, she sells sex with her body for a living. If she finds the whole thing so abhorrant and disgusting, then stop doing it.

    Even if you take her at face value, you cannot get away from that..

    She claims she did not need the money, had loads of family and friends to support her...so if she hated it, why not just stop it?

    She claims she found reviews horrible (which they are IMHO), but they are "opt in" features...so why not just opt out?

    She seems to be claiming that she had no idea she hated it, or that she was traumatised until after she stopped...so how does she know she will not find she is in even worse shape after she stops from writing all this "pity porn"?

    She constantly boasts about her ability to manipulate people...


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  • #151
    Eileen_Lang
    Closed Accounts Posts: 134 ✭✭Eileen_Lang


    Sally J wrote: »
    Wow, self-involved much? I set up my id to start a new thread, which was merged with the 'would you' thread about an hour ago.

    And, let's be clear about this: you are not in a positon to discuss anything about Dublincallgirl because you don't know her.

    Believe whatever you want to believe. ;)


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