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State spending €3million on communion rituals

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  • Registered Users Posts: 3,038 ✭✭✭sponsoredwalk


    Right, so we should give people money for communion day so the child doesn't develop mental health issues? Got it.

    It's unsurprising that you completely ignore my point. I'm not bothering
    with any more arguments if you're going to completely dishonestly
    ignore everything I say & respond with something this petty... How
    does your argument at all address my point about mothers whoring
    themselves out? How at all does your response even bother addressing
    the point I made about parents spending grocery money on this? Not a
    care in the world for these issues, what do you care about the thoughts
    of parents who have declared to all in their social radius that they are
    in fact too poor to buy a simple dress or go out for a meal etc... What
    do you care about those people who fcuking care about what others
    think of them, who care to make sure others don't see their financial
    state & cast pity on them, or judge them etc... who up until this fcuking
    communion had been doing fine in that regard only to be forced into a
    situation where they have to announce they are poor to their society,
    have to tell their child they can't have a day like everyone else etc...
    I know it doesn't fit your worldview but this is how people think, people
    not like us ubermensch I know but that doesn't discount the fact that
    this is reality. Of course though none of this matters because three
    people on your side of the argument turned out fine :rolleyes:
    Also, no matter where I look I see people showing outrage that such an allowance even exists, shouldn't the the allowance be cut altogether? You know, democracy 101?

    Two things with this:

    1) Are you really asking me whether the allowance should be cut
    altogether because your subjective experience tells you that everybody
    is against this? Seriously??

    2) Of course you can call for this allowance to be cut, in fact I don't
    think I've said you couldn't. However trying to hide behind arguments
    that don't stand up to scrutiny is charlatanism at it's finest. It just so
    happens the logic espoused in this thread thus far is so ridiculous &
    pettily subjective that it's scary how almost nobody cares to point this
    out. I find it fcuking horrendous that such bad logic could be so easily
    accepted as a means to take money away from people in such a
    realistic situation. Half the posts attack the irrelevant religious aspects,
    others attack the parents, others use their own biases to argue the
    parents shouldn't be so greedy & stupid, yet every post blithely ignores
    the fact that people, in a democracy, want this & that it does something
    good for people who are forced to enter into some ridiculous social
    event forced upon them (remember this isn't a choice).
    If you want to practice democracy 101 in fighting to take money away
    from poor people just be honest about it & don't try to claim some logic
    is on your side & most of all don't try to ignore the awful consequences
    of your arguments. You are just going to bash poor people, that's it.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 32,865 ✭✭✭✭MagicMarker


    It's unsurprising that you completely ignore my point. I'm not bothering
    with any more arguments if you're going to completely dishonestly
    ignore everything I say & respond with something this petty... How
    does your argument at all address my point about mothers whoring
    themselves out? How at all does your response even bother addressing
    the point I made about parents spending grocery money on this? Not a
    care in the world for these issues, what do you care about the thoughts
    of parents who have declared to all in their social radius that they are
    in fact too poor to buy a simple dress or go out for a meal etc... What
    do you care about those people who fcuking care about what others
    think of them, who care to make sure others don't see their financial
    state & cast pity on them, or judge them etc... who up until this fcuking
    communion had been doing fine in that regard only to be forced into a
    situation where they have to announce they are poor to their society,
    have to tell their child they can't have a day like everyone else etc...
    I know it doesn't fit your worldview but this is how people think, people
    not like us ubermensch I know but that doesn't discount the fact that
    this is reality. Of course though none of this matters because three
    people on your side of the argument turned out fine :rolleyes:

    1. So we should spend 3 million in handouts per year because a few women are so concerned by what others think of them that they'd have sex for money? No, sorry, don't think so.

    2. Taking food off your child's table to put them in a dress for a communion? We should give people handouts because they have their priorities arseways? Sorry, if a parent would rather their child starve so they can look pretty then that's something for child protection services to address.

    There are problems to be addressed here but throwing money at parents isn't going to fix them.
    Two things with this:

    1) Are you really asking me whether the allowance should be cut
    altogether because your subjective experience tells you that everybody
    is against this? Seriously??

    2) Of course you can call for this allowance to be cut, in fact I don't
    think I've said you couldn't. However trying to hide behind arguments
    that don't stand up to scrutiny is charlatanism at it's finest. It just so
    happens the logic espoused in this thread thus far is so ridiculous &
    pettily subjective that it's scary how almost nobody cares to point this
    out. I find it fcuking horrendous that such bad logic could be so easily
    accepted as a means to take money away from people in such a
    realistic situation. Half the posts attack the irrelevant religious aspects,
    others attack the parents, others use their own biases to argue the
    parents shouldn't be so greedy & stupid, yet every post blithely ignores
    the fact that people, in a democracy, want this & that it does something
    good for people who are forced to enter into some ridiculous social
    event forced upon them (remember this isn't a choice).
    If you want to practice democracy 101 in fighting to take money away
    from poor people just be honest about it & don't try to claim some logic
    is on your side & most of all don't try to ignore the awful consequences
    of your arguments. You are just going to bash poor people, that's it.

    1. They aren't my subjective experiences, there's very clear outrage everywhere I look about this allowance. Of course there are some who agree with it, but most people seem to be against it. Just have a read of every thread on boards about it, google it, it's pretty clear what people think about this allowance.

    2. Bad logic is giving people an ''exceptional needs payment'' for a day out that has optional dress, and is known about 7 years in advance. There is nothing exceptional about it, and it's a slap in the face to the people who really do need the money.


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,038 ✭✭✭sponsoredwalk


    1. So we should spend 3 million in handouts per year because a few women are so concerned by what others think of them that they'd have sex for money? No, sorry, don't think so.

    Wait a minute, is that my argument? Really??
    2. Taking food off your child's table to put them in a dress for a communion? We should give people handouts because they have their priorities arseways? Sorry, if a parent would rather their child starve so they can look pretty then that's something for child protection services to address.

    I very much doubt a parent going through that much pain for their
    child would not feed their own kids, I'm pretty sure you can see that
    there are other ways than not feeding their kid that grocery money
    can be taken away.
    There are problems to be addressed here but throwing money at parents isn't going to fix them.
    Apparently it does in this case, which is why people had it put in place
    in the first place.
    1. They aren't my subjective experiences, there's very clear outrage everywhere I look about this allowance. Of course there are some who agree with it, but most people seem to be against it. Just have a read of every thread on boards about it, google it, it's pretty clear what people think about this allowance.

    Yes I've read the arguments but as I've said most are predicated on
    ridiculous assumptions about religion & stupidity by way of projection
    of your own personal values onto others, other claims about us not
    being able to afford it are rich considering we have it budgeted.
    2. Bad logic is giving people an ''exceptional needs payment'' for a day out that has optional dress, and is known about 7 years in advance. There is nothing exceptional about it, and it's a slap in the face to the people who really do need the money.

    Do we really need to go into how flawed this 7 year argument of
    yours is? I am just shocked such heartlessness is taken seriously.
    Also, parents being forced into something culturally that they can't
    economically afford seems to me to be the very definition of an
    exceptional need, since they otherwise wouldn't have to deal with this
    nonsense if they had a choice in the matter.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 32,865 ✭✭✭✭MagicMarker


    How are parents being forced to do anything?

    Communion? Optional.

    200 euro dress? Optional.

    Yep, sorry, not seeing anyone being forced here.


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,038 ✭✭✭sponsoredwalk


    How are parents being forced to do anything?

    Communion? Optional.

    200 euro dress? Optional.

    Yep, sorry, not seeing anyone being forced here.

    Okay...


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  • Registered Users Posts: 390 ✭✭sephir0th


    Not a
    care in the world for these issues, what do you care about the thoughts
    of parents who have declared to all in their social radius that they are
    in fact too poor to buy a simple dress or go out for a meal etc... What
    do you care about those people who fcuking care about what others
    think of them, who care to make sure others don't see their financial
    state & cast pity on them, or judge them etc... who up until this fcuking
    communion had been doing fine in that regard only to be forced into a
    situation where they have to announce they are poor to their society,
    have to tell their child they can't have a day like everyone else etc...
    .

    A lot of kids like to go out to cinema, play sports, etc. all of which cost money. Do you think we should have welfare payouts for every situation in which the child's 'social status' may be impacted?


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,038 ✭✭✭sponsoredwalk


    sephir0th wrote: »
    A lot of kids like to go out to cinema, play sports, etc. all of which cost money. Do you think we should have welfare payouts for every situation in which the child's 'social status' may be impacted?

    We do, do you know what child benefit & similar related schemes are for?


  • Registered Users Posts: 9,788 ✭✭✭MrPudding


    It's unsurprising that you completely ignore my point. I'm not bothering
    with any more arguments if you're going to completely dishonestly
    ignore everything I say & respond with something this petty... How
    does your argument at all address my point about mothers whoring
    themselves out? How at all does your response even bother addressing
    the point I made about parents spending grocery money on this? Not a
    care in the world for these issues, what do you care about the thoughts
    of parents who have declared to all in their social radius that they are
    in fact too poor to buy a simple dress or go out for a meal etc... What
    do you care about those people who fcuking care about what others
    think of them, who care to make sure others don't see their financial
    state & cast pity on them, or judge them etc... who up until this fcuking
    communion had been doing fine in that regard only to be forced into a
    situation where they have to announce they are poor to their society,
    have to tell their child they can't have a day like everyone else etc...
    I know it doesn't fit your worldview but this is how people think, people
    not like us ubermensch I know but that doesn't discount the fact that
    this is reality. Of course though none of this matters because three
    people on your side of the argument turned out fine :rolleyes:



    Two things with this:

    1) Are you really asking me whether the allowance should be cut
    altogether because your subjective experience tells you that everybody
    is against this? Seriously??

    2) Of course you can call for this allowance to be cut, in fact I don't
    think I've said you couldn't. However trying to hide behind arguments
    that don't stand up to scrutiny is charlatanism at it's finest. It just so
    happens the logic espoused in this thread thus far is so ridiculous &
    pettily subjective that it's scary how almost nobody cares to point this
    out. I find it fcuking horrendous that such bad logic could be so easily
    accepted as a means to take money away from people in such a
    realistic situation. Half the posts attack the irrelevant religious aspects,
    others attack the parents, others use their own biases to argue the
    parents shouldn't be so greedy & stupid, yet every post blithely ignores
    the fact that people, in a democracy, want this & that it does something
    good for people who are forced to enter into some ridiculous social
    event forced upon them (remember this isn't a choice).
    If you want to practice democracy 101 in fighting to take money away
    from poor people just be honest about it & don't try to claim some logic
    is on your side & most of all don't try to ignore the awful consequences
    of your arguments. You are just going to bash poor people, that's it.
    I know it has been asked before, but why do your posts come out in this odd format? It is really irritating in a long post.

    MrP


  • Registered Users Posts: 17,736 ✭✭✭✭kylith


    MrPudding wrote: »
    I know it has been asked before, but why do your posts come out in this odd format? It is really irritating in a long post.

    MrP
    I've seen other people do it too. I think it's because they reach the end of a
    line in the text box and think they have to hit 'return' like on a typewriter,
    not realising that it will be formatted automatically.


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 24,406 Mod ✭✭✭✭robindch


    Lucy8080 wrote: »
    maybe now people here will start thinking on this issue....because u have highlighted that maybe guys here are not as ignorant as some of their replies are suggesting.
    FYI: (a) there are girls posting on this thread too and (b) you'll appear a much more mature poster if you stop pretending you're the only person who really, really, really understands poverty.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,972 ✭✭✭Lucy8080


    robin,
    i get the feeling ur reaching now. u know that "guys" can be used to collectively include both male and female. thats my use of it. and ur brighter than that.

    ur second point is reaching too. i hit a nerve here precisely because i knwo u guys understand...but refuse to understand on this issue.

    thats why we are seeing self serving stories around here ...about how i budgeted...how we saved...

    but families in exceptional circumstances cant do this.

    can they?


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,972 ✭✭✭Lucy8080


    mr . p.

    u say no one needs this payment.

    u tell that to a mum or dad. ur neighbours who are not going to let their son or daughter down ...whether they need to beg ,steal or borrow.

    u reckon up the social fall out...ask a parent how it feels to let their child down.

    when ur taxes are going on issues of depression/alcholism/ suicide issues...or just people writing a letter of resignation from society and living under a bridge...

    maybe u will join up the dots.

    religion has u blinded....because its involved...u guys ( male and female)

    are now exposing the prejudices and anger and need for blame that lies within.

    and u are targeting the most vulnerable.

    but hey ho,...keep justifying...because u could never do such a thing..

    we are all right on here aint we?


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,972 ✭✭✭Lucy8080


    iguana,

    what should we do to avoid the need for bernardos or volunteers like urself?

    what happened / what/who was neglected....and in what ways ?

    that meant guys like u were needed to deal with the fall out?


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 25,558 Mod ✭✭✭✭Dades


    Lucy,

    Do us all a favour and stop arguing against poverty in general because nobody here wants people to be poor. We're talking about a specific payment here for a specific event. You trying to shift the focus from what the payment is actually related to is a bit disingenuous.

    This thread is about what the payment is for more than who it is for.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,972 ✭✭✭Lucy8080


    kylith,

    another self serving post...and refusal to accept exceptional circumstances and irish catholism/irish cultural habits/ pride in children/ state reinfocement in the classroom...


    this is a broader issue than religion.

    its a family issue. and a social issue.

    but an easy target.

    and the message being sent out ....will rebound in ways that will cost the taxpayer and society a lot more than u think u can save .


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,972 ✭✭✭Lucy8080


    dades,

    stop hiding.

    u carry on with the purse strings. ive agreed to ur 26 euro dress.

    what else is needed for a family of four in exceptional circumstances?

    will u give the child some shoes?

    im not shifting the focus...u guys want it on terms that let u off the hook.

    as if u can separate this issue from other issues.

    stop hiding. stop justifying. stop making excuses for urselves .


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 17,485 ✭✭✭✭Ickle Magoo


    Does the child have no shoes? Then yes, state coffers should be available to ensure the child has footwear...that's surely not a matter of exceptional needs funds being spent frivolously?

    It's patently obvious that a fund for exceptional needs should be spent on - exceptional needs - like shoeless children. What I object to is it being squandered, like on a knees up and unnecessary day out for a single religion in a multi-cultural society, all of whom are contributing to said coffers.

    If parents cannot afford to clothe and dress their child then keeping up with the joneses in brand spanking new shiney patent shoes and new gown should be so far down their list of priorities that attempting to use funds for that should be disallowed on the grounds the parents clearly have no fathomable idea of how to prioritise.

    I'm all for the state helping out people GENUINELY in need of that help, I work with many people who are on the bread-line - I don't agree with funding an upgrade in apparel for voluntary religious ceremonies any more than I think a fund for exceptional needs should replace an impoverished snooker players cue or an impoverished drivers car.

    I'd be willing to bet without the personal vested interest in either that throwing money at religious ceremonies seems to drum up, such claims wouldn't be getting any support or claims that the howible atheists are just picking on the poor.


  • Moderators, Education Moderators, Regional South East Moderators Posts: 12,487 Mod ✭✭✭✭byhookorbycrook


    My communion dress was the one that did the rounds of the family. I got new socks and shoes, that was it.Ok, times have moved on,but take the likes of Barnados, who have NEW dresses for a fraction of the cost. In a lot of cases I have seen,the communion child is nearly an aside to the day as people go OTT with caterers,bouncy castles etc.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 32,865 ✭✭✭✭MagicMarker


    I've personally never spent over €100 on any item of clothing ever! Giving someone €200 to buy clothing for a person three times smaller than me is ludicrous.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,972 ✭✭✭Lucy8080


    ickee and byhook,

    please get beyond the dress.

    think of the family here...and what may have changed from 2005 when the child was born to today.

    im not moving from my position...but the more this thread evolves...i see that posters are coming towards my position.

    as icke said...he recognises genuine need.

    this is such a big day in irish social life....that it needs to be acknowledged as such.

    some of u guys may be ten or twenty years ahead in the changes that are coming...

    but lets do it softly...and with a bit of acknowledgement for where we came from ...and part state and religion amicably and cordially.and take in the family.

    we have a make up in irish society than can accomodate irish catholics...catholic athiests ...and u get my drift...its an odd eclectic mix...where an athiest would have more in common with an irish catholic than an athiest from some other place.

    step softly...and with a sense of generousity.

    we dont need some revolution....granny can still say the rosary...and we will pretend we still go to mass just so she doesnt worry about us.

    we are too small an island to ignore each others needs.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 17,485 ✭✭✭✭Ickle Magoo


    A) I'm not called ickee

    B) I'm not a he

    C) I'm no closer to coming to your position than I ever was.

    I never had any issue with a fund for people who are experiencing exceptional needs. I don't consider birthday parties, wedding anniversaries, communion parties or any other frivolous and voluntary expense as being an exceptional need...and I think it's both insulting and stealing from those who do have a genuine need to suggest otherwise.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,972 ✭✭✭Lucy8080


    sorry ickle.

    im not sure why people are so easily offended these days.

    maybe i have some stuff to learn too.

    think ill take a break from here for a week.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 17,485 ✭✭✭✭Ickle Magoo


    Tis okay.
    Lucy8080 wrote: »
    im not sure why people are so easily offended these days.

    You mean at the very thought of a fund being only used for the purpose it was set up & named after? Indeed...


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 49,129 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    i'm still kinda bemused that people are arguing that this payment is *all* about paying for the dress. i know i'm probably coming back late to the argument - but at the risk of sounding like a stuck record; that given the irish government are still not just supporting, but forcing the position that first communion (and the attendant costs) is the default position - they can hardly turn around and say that the ancillary costs are purely down to other people (i.e. the parents) to absorb.


  • Registered Users Posts: 30,746 ✭✭✭✭Galvasean


    Lucy8080 wrote: »
    im not moving from my position...but the more this thread evolves...i see that posters are coming towards my position.

    Just who the hell is coming around to your nonsensical position?
    oh that's right, no one!!!!!!!!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 17,485 ✭✭✭✭Ickle Magoo


    I'm not sure why or how the government is forcing attendant costs on anyone? :confused: Seems that those are something people take on themselves.

    There are lots of aspects to life that have many more legal requirements than a communion that you have every right to celebrate in as low a key as you wish - I'm not sure why you feel this particular one is deserving of supplementary benefits to ensure the day goes with a swing?


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,038 ✭✭✭sponsoredwalk


    Dades wrote: »
    We're talking about a specific payment here for a specific event. You trying to shift the focus from what the payment is actually related to is a bit disingenuous.

    This thread is about what the payment is for more than who it is for.

    And we continue to entirely miss the point:
    Notice how everybody just
    implicitly assumes religion has anything to do with this issue. I know it'll
    be tough, but if you think it through for 5 seconds beyond the neon
    flashing lights shone by the word "communion" you'll notice how religion
    has nothing to do with this, it's a fcuking social question we're dealing
    with. If logic has anything to do with this question we can only claim
    religion has anything to do with this issue if the state was funding
    communion rituals for all participants involved. Whether you like it or not
    that is a fact, which generalizes the question to one in which we question
    all possible social issues and the funding of such, which itself implies some
    shockingly obvious questions that are immediately obvious to anyone
    not trying to use the coincidental relationship religion has with this issue
    as a means to take from poorer sectors of society. These questions can
    hardly be honestly addressed judging by the 7 pages of posts thus far
    unless people bother to go beyond the surface. But that doesn't matter,
    if religion is in any way, shape or form associated with something it's
    implicitly bad (hence why it's posted in here).

    The payment is for a religious event coincidentally, it's just a product of
    our history that this is the case. It could easily be any other situation,
    and in fact is sometimes (in the case of school books, uniforms), we
    are basically talking about support for parents in dealing with things
    forced onto them, like this religious event. It may very well be just
    nonsense to me & you but it's still a fact of reality, whether we want
    to brazenly deny it or not, that this is forced on parents & this money
    is being offered to help them considering history has us landed in this
    certain circumstance. This obvious fact explains why money isn't just
    thrown at parents for christenings & confirmations etc... It's just a
    historical accident.
    Does the child have no shoes? Then yes, state coffers should be available to ensure the child has footwear...that's surely not a matter of exceptional needs funds being spent frivolously?

    But shoes are just a "luxury" :rolleyes: Similarly I think your logic means we
    should be deducting the social welfare payments drastically because
    all those 'professionals' are indulging in luxurious items like toilet paper.
    I mean honestly, no shoes? Do you not see how your own argument
    can easily be used against you to nullify it? You might consider shoes to
    be an acceptable level at which we should throw money at people but I
    mean other people don't think we should even be providing children with
    shoes & god help you if a libertarian comes to power. At this level of
    argument we're both right, jesus even the guy who wants to have sex
    with those shoes is right... There's a reason such subjective opinions
    shouldn't be offered in such a serious matter as this.
    It's patently obvious that a fund for exceptional needs should be spent on - exceptional needs - like shoeless children. What I object to is it being squandered, like on a knees up and unnecessary day out for a single religion in a multi-cultural society, all of whom are contributing to said coffers.

    Going on about an unnecessary day is rich considering it's basically
    mandatory for nearly every parent as things currently stand &
    unbelievably childish attempts to just ignore this fact betray nothing
    but a confirmation bias so riled up to make truth an irrelevancy. You
    really want to take your problem up with the history books, I mean it's
    not the parents fault that this communion nonsense has been
    institutionalized & lay Catholics feel they're forced into it. I don't know
    how people can ignore such obvious facts & continue on as if everybody
    is an atheist viewing this as an optional thing, it really amounts to nothing
    other than denial of history because your own worldview blinds you so
    much you can't even begin to view the world from another's viewpoint.

    And furthermore, this exceptional needs denial - I mean you can only
    deny this is an exceptional needs issue if you view this as all being
    optional (which just has to be fueled by a denial of reality fueled by
    your own worldview, I just can't see how such nonsense could manifest
    itself otherwise). Hopefully we can actually analyze the denial of this
    being mandatory first which should make it clear why even the
    government classes this as an exceptional needs payment. But in any
    case even the spokesperson for St. Vincent De Paul, obviously biased because
    of the religion I'm sure
    :rolleyes:, can tell you another reason why this is viewed as
    an exceptional needs payment.
    If parents cannot afford to clothe and dress their child then keeping up with the joneses in brand spanking new shiney patent shoes and new gown should be so far down their list of priorities that attempting to use funds for that should be disallowed on the grounds the parents clearly have no fathomable idea of how to prioritise.

    Yes, and those mothers whoring themselves off deserve to be shot for
    doing what they've done. I mean if you were emperor of Ireland and
    could force your beliefs onto people then yes, you'd be right but - if
    we're willing to enter the world of reality - your priorities just aren't
    other people's priorities
    . Also your own argument can easily just be
    used against you in that I can just as adamantly argue that your
    priorities are the ones that are off & we can just go in circles...
    Another verification of the fact that subjective opinions have no place
    in as serious a discussion as this...
    I'm all for the state helping out people GENUINELY in need of that help, I work with many people who are on the bread-line - I don't agree with funding an upgrade in apparel for voluntary religious ceremonies any more than I think a fund for exceptional needs should replace an impoverished snooker players cue or an impoverished drivers car.

    Again, claiming this is voluntary is unbelievable... Furthermore strawmen
    about snooker players? Really? It's no wonder you'd pull up such a
    ridiculous analogy if you're calling this a voluntary situation for parents.
    I find it so shocking we're talking about taking money away from parents
    in reality, this isn't hypothetical, and it's based on such illogical
    preconceptions.
    I'd be willing to bet without the personal vested interest in either that throwing money at religious ceremonies seems to drum up, such claims wouldn't be getting any support or claims that the howible atheists are just picking on the poor.

    I'd love for you to mention where my vested interests lie on this matter
    or how I'm claiming the howible atheists are stealing christmas.
    Galvasean wrote: »
    Just who the hell is coming around to your nonsensical position?
    oh that's right, no one!!!!!!!!

    When all else fails, just continue with the insults & downright refuse to
    even bother to illuminate us on why such a position is nonsensical.
    Thanks for the positive contribution. I wouldn't consider this comment
    an insult if you'd bothered to even hint at why the opinion (s)he holds
    is nonsensical, but I mean maybe it's just too obvious & undeserving of
    a logical argument for mere mortals like me...


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 24,406 Mod ✭✭✭✭robindch


    Lucy8080 wrote: »
    im not sure why people are so easily offended these days.
    People are cheesed off at you because you're misrepresenting them. People don't like that.
    Lucy8080 wrote: »
    maybe i have some stuff to learn too.
    Try posting using something other than txtspk.
    Lucy8080 wrote: »
    think ill take a break from here for a week.
    The best of luck, enjoy your break and see you next week :)


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,876 ✭✭✭deelite


    Would confirmation be applicable for this payment or is it just communion?

    Children getting money from relations etc., where did that tradition come from - my cousin made hers in the UK and she didn't get a penny (that was a good few years ago)


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  • Registered Users Posts: 3,038 ✭✭✭sponsoredwalk


    robindch wrote: »
    Try posting using something other than txtspk.

    Is this meant to be nicer than the last insulting comment you deleted?
    Also, deleting my posts to cover your tracks? As I said in my last post,
    just, Wow...

    While we're at it lets gang up on me for the way my posts are shaped,
    see the seeds of that lynching have already been sown...


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