UFC 143: Diaz V Condit Official Thread Discussion

Minstrel27 · 05-02-2012 5:53am

Diaz retiring?

ASOT · 05-02-2012 5:53am

Diaz pissed off hahaha To right , terrible point scoring.

Leo Dowling · 05-02-2012 5:54am

Ah well, maybe we get St Pierre vs Condit and Diaz vs. Hendricks. More fights to look forward to.

Leo Dowling · 05-02-2012 5:55am

Anyone have money on Conduit?

Robdoo · 05-02-2012 5:55am

Diaz says that he throw the harder shots...His right eye says different though.

Hide the Rum · 05-02-2012 5:56am

Leo Dowling wrote: »

Ah well, maybe we get St Pierre vs Condit and Diaz vs. Hendricks. More fights to look forward to.

Well he just retired, or is he looking for more money? :rolleyes:

Niall0 · 05-02-2012 5:57am

Leo Dowling wrote: »

Anyone have money on Conduit?

I had a tenner on a treble of Koscheck, Werdum and Conduit

Got 64 back. Having said that i thought Diaz won rds 1,2,3 and 5.

Jimmy Bottlehead · 05-02-2012 5:57am

I think it's just the current fashion to retire after a loss lately.

stiffler123 · 05-02-2012 6:00am

Leo Dowling wrote: »

Anyone have money on Conduit?

I had him to win in round 5 and round 4 to cover me if my Diaz Koscheck double didn't work out. Still happy enough though, he's a good guy and deserves it.

sockpuppets · 05-02-2012 6:01am

what did diaz say? i lost my stream during the condit interview

horsemeat · 05-02-2012 6:01am

natural born runner

fcuking disgusted.

jimpump · 05-02-2012 6:01am

Diaz is right

**** greg jackson and his point fighting

condit ran more than kalib stairnes tonight...worst fight of the night cos of condit/jackson

empacher · 05-02-2012 6:02am

ASOT wrote: »

Diaz pissed off hahaha To right , terrible point scoring.

Why because he didnt stand against the cage and let diaz volume punch? That would have being falling into diaz's strengths which is just stupid.

empacher · 05-02-2012 6:03am

Niall0 wrote: »

I had a tenner on a treble of Koscheck, Werdum and Conduit Got 64 back. Having said that i thought Diaz won rds 1,2,3 and 5.

how did you have him winning the first 3 rounds?

Hide the Rum · 05-02-2012 6:03am

sockpuppets wrote: »

what did diaz say? i lost my stream during the condit interview

Something like "I don't consider this a loss. I'm done with this mma, I don't need this ****. He's a good fighter but he ran from me for 5 rounds... " with the usual Diaz stuff thrown in.

Niall0 · 05-02-2012 6:03am

Will be interesting to see the fightmetric stats

weemcd · 05-02-2012 6:04am

Diaz threatening to retire again, not the fight that I thought it would have been at all. Did score it to Condit, but it was very tight. Have to say I thought Diaz during his entrance looked a bit lost (yes I know it's Diaz) he went to walk into the cage without being searched and getting Vaseline put on the face etc, and during one of the stops between rounds he looked as if he wanted to walk out of the cage.

Not a vintage fight, but Condit did exactly what he needed to do, leg kicks to great effect, varied his striking reasonably well and slipped out alot of the exchanges before taking too much damage. Best gameplan really, did not stand in front of Diaz to play his game. For all Diaz' talking and taunting in the cage he should have got busier or mixed his game up a bit. i'd like to see how the total strikes landed etc look for this fight.

*there's still only one Welterweight champ though, and his name GSP, and fully fit he probably compares favourably to Carlos...

horsemeat · 05-02-2012 6:04am

greg jackson has ruined mma

sockpuppets · 05-02-2012 6:05am

Hide the Rum wrote: »

Something like "I don't consider this a loss. I'm done with this mma, I don't need this ****. He's a good fighter but he ran from me for 5 rounds... " with the usual Diaz stuff thrown in.[/QUOTE

He is right, condit was on the backfoot all fight, diaz the only one moving forward. But i suppose condit had a game plan and it worked.

jimpump · 05-02-2012 6:06am

give condit to ellenburger again and condit will get his ass knocked out this time

GSP/Condit will be snoozer of the year

JJayoo · 05-02-2012 6:09am

Lol, So when someone comes up with a game plan for Diaz its running? Condit was able to circle away from Diaz every time and comes out of the fight with almost zero visible damage. Good fight by Condit. Think Diaz has to improve his taunting, it didn't seem to work this time :pac:

jimpump · 05-02-2012 6:12am

sockpuppets wrote: »

Hide the Rum wrote: »

Something like "I don't consider this a loss. I'm done with this mma, I don't need this ****. He's a good fighter but he ran from me for 5 rounds... " with the usual Diaz stuff thrown in.[/QUOTE

He is right, condit was on the backfoot all fight, diaz the only one moving forward. But i suppose condit had a game plan and it worked.

the gameplan was a joke tho. if i wanna watch running ill watch athletics

pathetic showing tonight, i am slowly getting back into preferring boxing over mma

God i wish PRIDE rules in boxing rings were still the norm

even better, i wish K-1 was still around

Hide the Rum · 05-02-2012 6:12am

I think Condit could have engaged him a bit more in the center without letting Diaz get into his rhythm, he had some good success with it at the end of round 3 and Rogan came alive.

empacher · 05-02-2012 6:18am

jimpump wrote: »

sockpuppets wrote: »

the gameplan was a joke tho. if i wanna watch running ill watch athletics

pathetic showing tonight, i am slowly getting back into preferring boxing over mma

God i wish PRIDE rules in boxing rings were still the norm

even better, i wish K-1 was still around

How's your 'Just Bleed' T-shirt?

If you want pride rules go watch dream. K-1 isn't gone, Heard of its showtime an arguably more succesfull kickboxing promotion then K-1, or the new re branded k-1 company.

jimpump · 05-02-2012 6:18am

Hide the Rum wrote: »

I think Condit could have engaged him a bit more in the center without letting Diaz get into his rhythm, he had some good success with it at the end of round 3 and Rogan came alive.

joe rogan was a joke tonight. never have i seen him all over a fighters nuts like he was on condits

diaz must have robbed his stash or something

bring in Bas and joe can **** off back to fear factor and spend more time getting stoned with his gay lover eddie bravo

jimpump · 05-02-2012 6:20am

empacher wrote: »

jimpump wrote: »

How's your 'Just Bleed' T-shirt?

If you want pride rules go watch dream. K-1 isn't gone, Heard of its showtime an arguably more succesfull kickboxing promotion then K-1, or the new re branded k-1 company.

i was at its showtime this past weekend in holland ya noob

and i know yer a noob cos its showtime isnt even a hundreth the size that K-1 was in its heyday selling out 100,000 seater stadiums

go back to wearing your tapout shirts tough guy!

empacher · 05-02-2012 6:22am

and that makes me a noob? That's really Clever of you. If you were at its showtime why are you complaining about K-1 its the same thing.

SDTimeout · 05-02-2012 6:22am

Shogun vs Machida 1. Really hope GSP has a minor set back so they can fight again.

empacher · 05-02-2012 6:28am

If your replying to me don't edit your post first, if K-1 is so great why did it fail while its showtime is still going strong?:rolleyes: seems to me like its showtime > K-1

CorkonianRebel · 05-02-2012 6:31am

Just wondering does anyone know how much weight Big Country lost? He really slimmed down! He can sure take a knee!

Diaz/condit fight was disappointing but Condit did what he had to, to win.Its up to Diaz to cut him off and throw more.I think they said Condit landed the more strikes although maybe they were "baby kicks" like Diaz said!

empacher · 05-02-2012 6:34am

CorkonianRebel wrote: »

Just wondering does anyone know how much weight Big Country lost? He really slimmed down! He can sure take a knee!

Diaz/condit fight was disappointing but Condit did what he had to, to win.Its up to Diaz to cut him off and throw more.I think they said Condit landed the more strikes although maybe they were "baby kicks" like Diaz said!

heaviest I remember seeing big country was 263lbs I think, And he weighed in at 246lbs, so close to 20lbs, if he drops another 20lbs he'd still have fat to cut to make LHW. can't see him doing that though.

CageWager · 05-02-2012 6:40am

jimpump · 05-02-2012 6:41am

empacher wrote: »

If your replying to me don't edit your post first, if K-1 is so great why did it fail while its showtime is still going strong?:rolleyes: seems to me like its showtime > K-1

IShowtime is nothing compared to what K-1 was

so please stop making a fool of yourself noob

empacher · 05-02-2012 6:47am

Fight Metric Stats speak for themselves

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IShowtime is nothing compared to what K-1 was

so please stop making a fool of yourself noob

Give it a rest you just sound silly , one organization went under one consistently grows selling out 20,000 seat arenas and hasn't FAILED doesn't take a genius to figure out which one is doing better.

pierrot · 05-02-2012 7:05am

^
Can you take this tiff to pm rather than taking a page of the fight thread?

Anyway, thought both the Pierce Kos fight and the Condit Diaz fight were razor thin, had them both the opposite way myself.

empacher · 05-02-2012 7:15am

kos 3rd round takedown won him the fight, even though it shouldn't count as Pierce got right back up and finished with a great elbow.

Thought Condit won all 5 bar maybe the second round.

Beating someone for 4 minutes on your feet, and spending a minute on the ground, blocked both nicks armbar attempts and multiple rear naked attempts and finishing up n top doesn't for me count a losing a round.

But Hey i'm no judge

jimpump · 05-02-2012 7:25am

empacher wrote: »

kos 3rd round takedown won him the fight, even though it shouldn't count as Pierce got right back up and finished with a great elbow.

Thought Condit won all 5 bar maybe the second round.

Beating someone for 4 minutes on your feet, and spending a minute on the ground, blocked both nicks armbar attempts and multiple rear naked attempts and finishing up n top doesn't for me count a losing a round.

But Hey i'm no judge

thank god for that, you'd make cecil peoples look good
nick obviously won rd.5, where he had condit in trouble on the ground

empacher · 05-02-2012 7:30am

especially if the guy is right back on his feet.

@jim please take it to pm, the convo has moved own.

pierrot · 05-02-2012 7:35am

It's a hard one to score. Condit was really looking for the spinning backfist, I counted 13 missed attempts. Diaz pushed the pace but I think he found it difficult dealing with somebody whose reach was as long as his.

empacher · 05-02-2012 7:48am

The way i saw it Carlos out grappled Diaz for 24mins a in broke the clinch quickly avoided the one takedown. Diaz was superior for one minute, one takedown, three attempted subs, but was reversed by Carlos in the last 10 seconds.

Striking I don't see how anyone can say Carlos didn't strike better, between his combinations, diversity and technique.

Aggression goes to Diaz because he kept coming forward.

Ocatagon Control I give to Carlos, as he stopped Diaz cutting him off, returned to the center and had better movemnet, i.e didn't move in a straight line.

For me he consistently had 3 of the 4 judging areas over Diaz.

In what areas do people feel Diaz was bettter to earn him the win?

jimpump · 05-02-2012 7:56am

empacher wrote: »

The way i saw it Carlos out grappled Diaz for 24mins a in broke the clinch quickly avoided the one takedown. Diaz was superior for one minute, one takedown, three attempted subs, but was reversed by Carlos in the last 10 seconds.

Striking I don't see how anyone can say Carlos didn't strike better, between his combinations, diversity and technique.

Aggression goes to Diaz because he kept coming forward.

Ocatagon Control I give to Carlos, as he stopped Diaz cutting him off, returned to the center and had better movemnet, i.e didn't move in a straight line.

For me he consistently had 3 of the 4 judging areas over Diaz.

In what areas do people feel Diaz was bettter to earn him the win?

enough with the trolling already

empacher · 05-02-2012 7:58am

jimpump wrote: »

enough with the trolling already

Why don't you explain why diaz won, as i said already take it to pm if your going to attack my posts.

pierrot · 05-02-2012 8:00am

Pretty sure there are five criteria, being : effective striking, grappling, control, aggression, and defense.
That said, judging all of this round by round, there's never gonna be agreement across the board in a close mma fight.
Don't see how two judges had it 49 for Condit though.

empacher · 05-02-2012 8:04am

I would have scored it 49-47 3rounds to condit, 1 to diaz, 1 as a draw

pierrot · 05-02-2012 8:06am

empacher wrote: »

I would have scored it 49-47 3rounds to condit, 1 to diaz, 1 as a draw

Fair enough, which ones?

empacher · 05-02-2012 8:12am

1,3,4 to Carlos 2 as a draw and 5 to diaz (even though I feel Carlos won the round. The tendencies of judging to score it on the last minute of action especially if there's a takedown.) 1 was razor thin and 2 could have gone to Diaz

JJayoo · 05-02-2012 8:12am

I think aggression should only be scored if your matching it with damage, I mean you could award Big Country points for aggression as he was always moving forward, and getting his face smashed in.

Diaz is some freak though, wonder does he even feel pain? I hate to think what his face will look like in few years.

pierrot · 05-02-2012 8:16am

Yeah 3 and 4 definitely for Condit, 2 for Diaz and maybe 5 for the submission attempt. 1 was close. Close fight.

pierrot · 05-02-2012 8:19am

JJayoo wrote: »

Diaz is some freak though, wonder does he even feel pain? I hate to think what his face will look like in few years.

It's already in fairly ropey shape tbf.

empacher · 05-02-2012 8:22am

i wonder does diaz's taunting make it harder for the judges to score positively for him?

I enjoyed it as a striker I picked up a thing or two to try out in sparring

UFC 143: Diaz V Condit Official Thread Discussion

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