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Sonnen V Bisping Jan 28th

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 39,685 ✭✭✭✭Mellor


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    DeVore wrote: »
    Bisping is well the underdog here and even his team acknowledge that above.
    I think you are twisting the truth here a bit DeV. His own team wouldn't acknowledge something like that publically (even if they knew it)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,830 ✭✭✭Be like Nutella


    Bisping ko/tko win
    his sponsor was on here earlier and certainly not givin off any underdog vibes... he was makin the case that Bisping should be able to do it...and that we should think that. Although 'delusion' was cited by someone as a possible cause... anyway it makes no sense to admit you're an underdog in this situation... he wouldn't have taken the fight if he didn't think he could win it... and he may actually think he can win it... fair balls to him...for thinking that. If he does I'm forevermore the biggest Bisping fan !!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 39,685 ✭✭✭✭Mellor


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    I think DeV was refering to comments by a sponsor of his.
    i was pointing out that his sponsor isn't a part of his team. He likely sponsored by quite a few brands. They all know vaarious degrees of nothing about his training, gameplan and chances of success.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,261 ✭✭✭✭MrStuffins


    Bisping ko/tko win
    No "Split Draw" option? Poll fails!


  • Registered Users Posts: 356 ✭✭RebelSoul


    cowzerp wrote: »
    Sonnen is not feather fisted and Bispings chin aint A grade either so don't be suprised to see Sonnen out box him and most likely finish him on the ground by TKO

    Just out of curiosity I'd like to know what you are basing that on.


  • Registered Users Posts: 636 ✭✭✭pauldoo


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    RebelSoul wrote: »
    Just out of curiosity I'd like to know what you are basing that on.

    I would say;

    The KO by Hendo(although that would put down most middleweights/Light heavyweights and some dinosaurs)
    He was badly hurt at the end of round 3(i think) when he was caught by wanderlie
    Denis Kang knocked him on his ass too
    I think, open to correction here, that Akiyama might have had him hurt at the start of their fight, then Akiyama tried to land the knockout blow for the rest of the fight and was out pointed


  • Registered Users Posts: 445 ✭✭canonball5


    The press conference next week will be some craic alright.

    I have to say fair play to Bisping for taking the fight. Sonnen is the worse possible match up for him.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 387 ✭✭karl bracken


    Bisping ko/tko win
    Both of their cardios are great but having a guy like Sonnen on top of you, your cardio will disappear fairly quick, a lot different than striking cardio.

    I think Sonnen will outstrike him, maybe im mad but he caught Silva a few times and has been improving, Bisping never starts well in the first round nearly always getting a good smack (well his last few fights) i think Hendo has scared him, a KO like that would scare a lot of people of their limitations...

    He will also be wary of the takedown and not get comfortable on his feet or find his range as quick, and i think this will allow Sonnen to get in their and strike before a TKO for him.

    A sub is Bispings main chance and im sure he has decent BJJ but with Sonnen smacking you, you'd want to be pretty calm and fast and iv never seen Bisping at that level


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 829 ✭✭✭nino1


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    pauldoo wrote: »
    I would say;

    The KO by Hendo(although that would put down most middleweights/Light heavyweights and some dinosaurs)
    He was badly hurt at the end of round 3(i think) when he was caught by wanderlie
    Denis Kang knocked him on his ass too
    I think, open to correction here, that Akiyama might have had him hurt at the start of their fight, then Akiyama tried to land the knockout blow for the rest of the fight and was out pointed

    come on! are you being serious. He was ko'ed once ever (by a H bomb)

    Akiyama "might have had him hurt" !!!

    Name me one fighter who has never been rocked or "badly hurt"

    That is a really feeble effort of proving he has a dodgy chin!!!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,549 ✭✭✭✭cowzerp


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    RebelSoul wrote: »
    Just out of curiosity I'd like to know what you are basing that on.

    Grade A means you pretty much cant be knocked out-it means you have a top class chin.

    Bisping has been ko'd and also dropped/rocked a few times so he certainly does not have a top class chin.

    i never said he had a poor chin but he can certainly get knocked out, Sonnen will be a danger too his chin is basically what i'm saying.

    Rush Boxing club and Rush Martial Arts head coach.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,549 ✭✭✭✭cowzerp


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    nino1 wrote: »
    Name me one fighter who has never been rocked or "badly hurt"

    Mark Hunt, George Foreman, Wayne Mccullogh-you want me to go on

    Some people don't get rocked, most do.

    Rush Boxing club and Rush Martial Arts head coach.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,261 ✭✭✭✭MrStuffins


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    nino1 wrote: »
    come on! are you being serious. He was ko'ed once ever (by a H bomb)

    Akiyama "might have had him hurt" !!!

    Name me one fighter who has never been rocked or "badly hurt"

    That is a really feeble effort of proving he has a dodgy chin!!!

    You missed the other points he made.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 829 ✭✭✭nino1


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    cowzerp wrote: »
    Mark Hunt, George Foreman, Wayne Mccullogh-you want me to go on

    Some people don't get rocked, most do.

    I wasn't talking about boxing.
    Mark hunt got ko'ed by manhoef after 18 seconds.
    My point is you can pick any mma fighter and list when he was badly rocked etc and that doesn't mean he has a bad chin.

    I'd say best chin goes to dan henderson.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 829 ✭✭✭nino1


    Sonnen submission win
    MrStuffins wrote: »
    You missed the other points he made.

    His other points (being badly hurt by WS and knocked on his ass by DK) add little weight to his arguement.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 39,685 ✭✭✭✭Mellor


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    cowzerp wrote: »
    Grade A means you pretty much cant be knocked out-it means you have a top class chin.
    Is there anybody that "can't" be knocked out ever (in MMA, as boxing is slightly different here imo) I don't.
    I'm not saying Bisping has a rock solid chin, but I wouldn't hold a H bomb against anyone. I've no reason to believe his chin is in any way below average.

    As for the examples, Foreman was KO'd by Ali. Hunt KO'd by someone in Japan.

    The pocket rocket is a legend though.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 387 ✭✭karl bracken


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    nino1 wrote: »

    I'd say best chin goes to dan henderson.

    Best or biggest lol


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,549 ✭✭✭✭cowzerp


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    nino1 wrote: »
    I wasn't talking about boxing.


    I'd say best chin goes to dan henderson.

    your twisting what i said, i said he does not have a grade a chin, i never said he had a bad chin, people with ok chins have been knocked out before, and it's irrelevant wheter its boxing or K1 or MMA, a good chin is a good chin either way.

    Bisping is not known for his chin, and i never said he had a bad 1, i know he can be knocked out if hit clean though.

    Rush Boxing club and Rush Martial Arts head coach.



  • Registered Users Posts: 396 ✭✭The Bored One


    Best chin I can think of offhand was Gomi's. It was like he didn't have an off-button.


  • Business & Finance Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 32,387 Mod ✭✭✭✭DeVore


    Bisping ko/tko win
    <offtopic> Sorry Scud, I bristled at a perceived slight that wasnt really there. I get accused of that (wrongly) in earnest a lot and you can imagine it gets old quickly. The truth is shown by people posting here not even realising I started this site (hence the incredibly large post count :)... I didnt start the internet, Al Gore did. :) ). I was having a bad day yesterday (a little sand in my v*gina) but deleted my post 2 mins later when I realised I was fighting a strawman of my own making. Meh. Srs bzns. :):) </offtopic>

    Back on topic, one of my favourite comments about mma came from a somewhere I cant actually remember (I think it might have been GSP)... it was this: "If we knew for certain who was going to win... we wouldnt fight!!"

    Any fight can go any which way but my gut feeling is that Sonnen is just to strong for Bisping and will decide where the fight happens. That in turn will decide who wins and I reckon Sonnen by GNP if he has any tactical sense.

    But tell that to Fitch :)

    DeV.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 829 ✭✭✭nino1


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    cowzerp wrote: »
    your twisting what i said, .

    my initial response was to pauldoo who used imo a very poor arguement to prove bispings poor chin


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 39,685 ✭✭✭✭Mellor


    Bisping ko/tko win
    Cowser, I know you were clear and said it wasn't an A grade chin, which it's not. But others said it was suspect, which is what I was referring too. Average chin, does not make it suspect.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,438 ✭✭✭✭El Guapo!


    Bisping ko/tko win
    There's a lot of nit-picking here regarding Bispings chin. I don't think anybody said he had a dodgy chin. I think the point that Cowzer and others were trying to make was that he has been knocked out before so we know it is possible.

    I think I read somewhere before that a lot of people involved in the sport think that after you get properly knocked out for the first time, it kinda makes your body more susceptible to KO's in the future. It's sort of like, once that button is pressed once, it's easier to press after that.
    I don't know if there's much truth behind that though.


  • Registered Users Posts: 6 billrstuart


    Bisping ko/tko win
    I don't understand, why does Chael have to fight someone else before defending his title against Anderson Silva?
    Because Silva is the champion, not Chael!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,438 ✭✭✭✭El Guapo!


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    Because Silva is the champion, not Chael!


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 120 ✭✭Pin_Cushion


    Bisping decision win
    I can only see this going the way of Sonnen's Marquart and Silva fights. Relentless takedowns for the whole fight. Bisping is certainly underrated when it comes to wrestling but Sonnen is one of the best when it comes down to being forceful like that. He pretty much manhandled Brian Stann to a lot of people's surprise.

    So I think it's either going to be a decision or a ground-and-pound TKO for Sonnen.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,950 ✭✭✭✭scudzilla


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    What channel will be showing this?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 17 Owl Tickler


    Bisping ko/tko win
    Because Silva is the champion, not Chael!

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  • Registered Users Posts: 636 ✭✭✭pauldoo


    Bisping decision win
    nino1 wrote: »
    come on! are you being serious. He was ko'ed once ever (by a H bomb)

    Akiyama "might have had him hurt" !!!

    Name me one fighter who has never been rocked or "badly hurt"

    That is a really feeble effort of proving he has a dodgy chin!!!

    Im not saying he is the only fighter in the world without a grade A chin, im saying hes been in trouble a few times. Considering he was hurt in 3 fights in a row would indicate that his chin could be an issue, since them 3 fights, he has fought some very poor opposition, so i dont think its a feeble effort of proving anything and it backs up Cowserps comments

    I think its similar to rashad evans, he was badly knocked out, and was hurt against thiago silva and rampage, but i think its fairly accpeted that rashad has issues with his chin-maybe not

    I dont think you can be hurt that often and be considered to have a grade A chin, People with a grade A chin would be the likes of Hendo & Shogun, **** loads of fights against top quality opposition and very few chicken dances


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,549 ✭✭✭✭cowzerp


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    Mellor wrote: »
    Is there anybody that "can't" be knocked out ever (in MMA, as boxing is slightly different here imo) I don't.
    I'm not saying Bisping has a rock solid chin, but I wouldn't hold a H bomb against anyone. I've no reason to believe his chin is in any way below average.

    As for the examples, Foreman was KO'd by Ali. Hunt KO'd by someone in Japan.

    The pocket rocket is a legend though.

    1st off Foreman was exhausted and fighting in 46 degree heat, he was huge and worked tirelessly for 7 rounds while eating many shots, Foreman fought many men at 40-46 taking full on heavy weight shots nd not flinching, his chin is legendary. MCcullogh would get pummelled and not even ever look unsteady, hunt was ko'd but in fairness could take serious damage, my point is Bispings been rocked a few times-a grade a chin does not get wobbled, except Hunt!! Adding to this, some fighters lose there chin with age, this is usually in relation to stamina dropping off, so a grade A chin might not be grade A forva whole career.

    Hope that answers the question.

    I tried my best

    Rush Boxing club and Rush Martial Arts head coach.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,950 ✭✭✭✭scudzilla


    Bisping submission win
    cowzerp wrote: »
    1st off Foreman was exhausted and fighting in 46 degree heat, he was huge and worked tirelessly for 7 rounds while eating many shots, Foreman fought many men at 40-46 taking full on heavy weight shots nd not flinching, his chin is legendary. MCcullogh would get pummelled and not even ever look unsteady, hunt was ko'd but in fairness could take serious damage, my point is Bispings been rocked a few times-a grade a chin does not get wobbled, except Hunt!! Adding to this, some fighters lose there chin with age, this is usually in relation to stamina dropping off, so a grade A chin might not be grade A forva whole career.

    Hope that answers the question.

    I tried my best

    Taking this further, a lot of people say that after a fighter has been KO'd it's easier to KO him the next time, is this true or just a myth?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,659 ✭✭✭unknown13


    Bisping ko/tko win
    scudzilla wrote: »
    Taking this further, a lot of people say that after a fighter has been KO'd it's easier to KO him the next time, is this true or just a myth?

    Well Bisping does have a history of being dropped in consecutive fights. Henderson KO'ed him, then next fight Dennis Kang dropped him and should have finished him and the next fight Wanderlai Silva dropped him again.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 39,685 ✭✭✭✭Mellor


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    Because Silva is the champion, not Chael!
    Sonnen beat Silva around the octagon for 24 minutes, all Silva did was put his legs around Chaels head for 8 seconds. And they declared Silva the winner? I'm sorry but on the streets of Portland Oregon that's not how it works my friend..,


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,950 ✭✭✭✭scudzilla


    Bisping submission win
    Mellor wrote: »
    Sonnen beat Silva around the octagon for 24 minutes, all Silva did was put his legs around Chaels head for 8 seconds. And they declared Silva the winner? I'm sorry but on the streets of Portland Oregon that's not how it works my friend..,

    Chael Mellor speaks :pac::pac::pac:


  • Business & Finance Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 32,387 Mod ✭✭✭✭DeVore


    Bisping ko/tko win
    Mellor wrote: »
    Sonnen beat Silva around the octagon for 24 minutes, all Silva did was put his legs around Chaels head for 8 seconds. And they declared Silva the winner? I'm sorry but on the streets of Portland Oregon that's not how it works my friend..,

    Aren't you skipping lightly over the whole "tapping out" bit?

    DeV.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 14,127 ✭✭✭✭Leeg17


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    I think it's fair to say that Sonnen was winning the fight, but Silva won, an important distinction to make :p

    Anyways, I'm bloody excited for this match-up, and indeed the title fight with Silva.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,950 ✭✭✭✭scudzilla


    Bisping submission win
    Leeg17 wrote: »
    I think it's fair to say that Sonnen was winning the fight, but Silva won, an important distinction to make :p

    Anyways, I'm bloody excited for this match-up, and indeed the title fight with Silva.

    He wasn't just winning, he totally owned the supposedly best pound for pound fighter in the world for 23mins.

    But i'm with ya on the fight, was a bit 'meh' over Sonnen/Munoz but this I can't wait for, it's my main event if the night (What is the real main event?)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 39,685 ✭✭✭✭Mellor


    Bisping ko/tko win
    cowzerp wrote: »

    1st off Foreman was exhausted and fighting in 46 degree heat, he was huge and worked tirelessly for 7 rounds while eating many shots, Foreman fought many men at 40-46 taking full on heavy weight shots nd not flinching, his chin is legendary. MCcullogh would get pummelled and not even ever look unsteady, hunt was ko'd but in fairness could take serious damage, my point is Bispings been rocked a few times-a grade a chin does not get wobbled, except Hunt!! Adding to this, some fighters lose there chin with age, this is usually in relation to stamina dropping off, so a grade A chin might not be grade A forva whole career.

    Hope that answers the question.

    I tried my best
    Tbh Cowser I agree 100%. I was just Playing devils advocate in the chin issue. I completely agree re: Hunt, Foreman and Wayne McC.
    I'm not trying to say Busping has a strong chin, I just meant that a Hendo KO, and 2 knock downs is completely average.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 14,127 ✭✭✭✭Leeg17


    Bisping submission win
    scudzilla wrote: »
    He wasn't just winning, he totally owned the supposedly best pound for pound fighter in the world for 23mins.

    But i'm with ya on the fight, was a bit 'meh' over Sonnen/Munoz but this I can't wait for, it's my main event if the night (What is the real main event?)

    I agree yes, but not matter how well he was owning Silva, Silva got the 'win' in the end in the same way Jones recently was getting rocked pretty well by Machida but came out with the win after a lucky few seconds.

    Less than a week left :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,549 ✭✭✭✭cowzerp


    Bisping ko/tko win
    scudzilla wrote: »
    Taking this further, a lot of people say that after a fighter has been KO'd it's easier to KO him the next time, is this true or just a myth?

    I think when a fighter gets knocked out who would not usually then it's a sign his punch resistance is going, so that the actual ko does the damage I don't think so, but it's a sure sign that your resistance to blows is diminishing.

    Rush Boxing club and Rush Martial Arts head coach.



  • Business & Finance Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 32,387 Mod ✭✭✭✭DeVore


    Bisping ko/tko win
    scudzilla wrote: »
    He wasn't just winning, he totally owned the supposedly best pound for pound fighter in the world for 23mins.

    But i'm with ya on the fight, was a bit 'meh' over Sonnen/Munoz but this I can't wait for, it's my main event if the night (What is the real main event?)
    Wow... I'm the opposite. I would have been much more interested in the Sonnen v Munoz fight than this... Sure the build up will be great probably, but the original fight had more potential to be a great *fight*. This might still be but I dunno...

    DeV.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,032 ✭✭✭dave80


    Bisping ko/tko win
    Leeg17 wrote: »
    I agree yes, but not matter how well he was owning Silva, Silva got the 'win' in the end in the same way Jones recently was getting rocked pretty well by Machida but came out with the win after a lucky few seconds.

    if you mean they both won fare enough but you cant compare these 2 fights, machida tagged jones a few time then got put to sleep in the second i dont remenber jones being 'rocked'??


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,950 ✭✭✭✭scudzilla


    Bisping submission win
    DeVore wrote: »
    Wow... I'm the opposite. I would have been much more interested in the Sonnen v Munoz fight than this... Sure the build up will be great probably, but the original fight had more potential to be a great *fight*. This might still be but I dunno...

    DeV.

    Maybe it's because i like both Sonnen and Munoz, and cannot stand Bisping.

    Dana has said that the winner gets a shot against Silva (Who i also cannot stand) so if Sonnen wins i'm happy because he gets a shot and Bisping gets shut up for a few months.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,261 ✭✭✭✭MrStuffins


    Bisping ko/tko win
    DeVore wrote: »
    Wow... I'm the opposite. I would have been much more interested in the Sonnen v Munoz fight than this... Sure the build up will be great probably, but the original fight had more potential to be a great *fight*. This might still be but I dunno...

    DeV.

    I can't imagine how Chael v Munoz would've been a great fight TBH. I can't see it being a great stand up war, a great fight on the ground, nothing really. I can't imagine where this fight would become great.

    However, I think the added hatred between the Chael and Bisping, added with the fact that if Bisping decided to keep it on it's feet we're less likely to see a big KO (with Munoz, he hits so hard that this had the potential to be a lay and pray fest of a block rocking KO for Munoz) and more likely to see a slugfest (neither guy has big power, like what we saw with Forrest v Bonnar).

    Also, with the first fight I really didn't wanna see either guy lose. BUt now i'll be cheering on Chael 100% :D


  • Business & Finance Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 32,387 Mod ✭✭✭✭DeVore


    Bisping ko/tko win
    I rate Munoz as a much better fighter than Bisping so I thought Munoz vs Chael would be good, whereas now I think Chael vs Sonnen is good only in the run up probably :):D

    Hey, maybe Bisping will shock the world, but it would be just that... a shock!

    DeV.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,950 ✭✭✭✭scudzilla


    Bisping submission win
    DeVore wrote: »
    I rate Munoz as a much better fighter than Bisping so I thought Munoz vs Chael would be good, whereas now I think Chael vs Sonnen is good only in the run up probably :):D

    Hey, maybe Bisping will shock the world, but it would be just that... a shock!

    DeV.

    Ah come on Dev, don't be givin the guy idea's, i know he thinks he's wonderful but not even Chael could fight himself as a main event......or maybe he could :pac::pac:


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,933 ✭✭✭Logical Fallacy


    scudzilla wrote: »
    Ah come on Dev, don't be givin the guy idea's, i know he thinks he's wonderful but not even Chael could fight himself as a main event......or maybe he could :pac::pac:

    Maybe that is what ends the world in 2012, Chael Vs Chael.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 810 ✭✭✭Fear Uladh


    Bisping decision win
    People, you do realise it was supposed to be bisping/Maia fighting on this card?

    Bisping was already training long and hard for Maia so he didn't really take a fight last minute.


  • Registered Users Posts: 396 ✭✭The Bored One


    Im torn on this one. I'd be very surprised if Sonnen doesn't win this one unless for some bizarre reason he decides not to perform any takedowns at all. But I don't know whether I'd prefer to see how the Silva vs Sonnen rematch would turn out, or to see Sonnen suffer an upset loss and derailment by Bisping. Its unlikely but Id find it very satisfying.
    On an unrelated note, every time I see Sonnen I think he'd be perfect to play Brutus in a movie about Julius Caesar. He just has that look of togas and stabbing about him.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 39,685 ✭✭✭✭Mellor


    Bisping ko/tko win
    Fear Uladh wrote: »
    People, you do realise it was supposed to be bisping/Maia fighting on this card?

    Bisping was already training long and hard for Maia so he didn't really take a fight last minute.
    Who suggested the he took a fight at the last minute and hadn't been training?

    Any comments regarding short notice were obviously in relation to the fact that Maia and Chael are two very different fighters


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  • Business & Finance Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 32,387 Mod ✭✭✭✭DeVore


    Bisping ko/tko win
    Only Chael Sonnen is fit to challenge Chael Sonnen for his title!



    D'oh

    DeV.


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