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Racism - Mod Note on 1st Post - Read before posting.

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,474 ✭✭✭Crazy Horse 6


    CSF wrote: »
    But pretty true nonetheless. My opinion of the Liverpool fanbase has gone down dramatically over the course of this debacle.
    Rubbish it has. Give it a rest everyone knows your opinion of Liverpool fans regardless of todays verdict.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,181 ✭✭✭Rick Deckard


    Is there a precident for getting a ban of 8 games for racism?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,139 ✭✭✭stumpypeeps


    Its embarrassing how this has fallen down along club allegiances.

    I have no problem with the length of the ban and fine imposed.

    I do find it odd that all of this is based on Evra's evidence, which is disputed by Suarez.

    It doesn't seem likely such evidence would be enough to find someone guilty in a normal court of law.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,870 ✭✭✭✭citytillidie


    Technique wrote: »
    :confused:

    Make your mind up, Kenny.

    Oh not so subtle with your K's before Kenny, was that also from another United forum?

    ******



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,137 ✭✭✭✭niallo27


    opr wrote: »
    People talking about how Suarez will be driven out by all this are mad. The fact the club have shown such vehement support will only strenghten the bond between the club and him. He comes across as the sort of guy who takes things very much to heart and will not forget how the club handled this circus on his behalf.

    Opr

    Totally 1000% agree, i think he will come back stronger than ever. I can see a 20 maybe 25 min version of just cant get enough tommorrow night.


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    CSF wrote: »
    I make a partial judgement on a fanbase based on the opinions of most of the supporters whose opinions I have available to me. Upon seeing some more reasonable Liverpool supporters I will gladly change my mind and report back to you on this.

    Tbh, I don't care what you do :cool:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,453 ✭✭✭✭CSF


    Rubbish it has. Give it a rest everyone knows your opinion of Liverpool fans regardless of todays verdict.
    Do they? From my active participation in the Liverpool thread? Please elaborate on that hilarious statement.


  • Moderators, Education Moderators Posts: 5,578 Mod ✭✭✭✭spockety


    Is there a precident for getting a ban of 8 games for racism?

    There is now for John Terry. ;)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,870 ✭✭✭✭citytillidie


    Some have more than others...;)

    Yep and most of them are around the Kings Road London ;)

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  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Technique wrote: »
    :confused:

    Make your mind up, Kenny.

    kkk kenny?

    Hilarious


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,453 ✭✭✭✭CSF


    Your own club has a fair whack ;)
    Ah now, don't be bitter just because we got out before you:D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,089 ✭✭✭✭ctrl-alt-delete


    Technique wrote: »
    :confused:

    Make your mind up, Kenny.

    kkk_1.png


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,399 ✭✭✭✭Thanx 4 The Fish


    KEEP IT ON TOPIC OR THERE WILL BE BANS


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,313 ✭✭✭✭K-9


    Blatter wrote: »
    You do understand that you can be guilty of a racial slur but not be an actual racist or be a member of the KKK?

    I only say that to people who call Suarez a racist.

    Mad Men's Don Draper : What you call love was invented by guys like me, to sell nylons.



  • Closed Accounts Posts: 25,953 ✭✭✭✭kryogen


    Its embarrassing how this has fallen down along club allegiances.

    I have no problem with the length of the ban and fine imposed.

    I do find it odd that all of this is based on Evra's evidence, which is disputed by Suarez.

    It doesn't seem likely such evidence would be enough to find someone guilty in a normal court of law.

    You dont know that all of this is based on Evras evidence alone though


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,152 ✭✭✭Ronan|Raven


    CSF wrote: »
    Ah now, don't be bitter just because we got out before you:D

    The way things are shaping up / clubs vanishing we will all be in the same pot soon!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 10,117 ✭✭✭✭Leiva


    Don't know about you guys but I'm trilled with the club statement .

    If it's true (as it looks by the statement) that the only evidence was one mans word against another then I say fair play to them .

    The only part I'm not sure about was mentioning Evras previous accusations.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,477 ✭✭✭✭Knex*


    CSF wrote: »
    Oh sorry, my bad, just a misinterpretation based on the fact that you were moderating the thread.

    Usually when I see a man outside a club telling people they aren't allowed in, I think they are bouncers, but occasionally they may turn out to just be powerdriven madzers. Ah well, you live and learn.


    Does anyone in the club ever ask you to stop acting the twat?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,453 ✭✭✭✭CSF


    Knex. wrote: »
    Does anyone in the club ask you to stop acting the twat?
    No, I just told you that the madzer doesn't let me in. FFS, read the posts. Seriously though, we're going way off topic.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,100 ✭✭✭tommyhaas


    Technique wrote: »
    From a United forum:
    Liverpool supporters are never happier than when they've got a cause to rally behind and play the victim.

    They're probably all out there now plotting how to boycott Renault or something equally as pathetic.

    They'll have a banner at the next home game with Martin Luther King, Bob Marley and Malcolm X on it with Suarez on the end saying something like "let it be" or "Racism has many fathers, but mine's a negrito so chill out yeah?".
    :D

    Drawing similarities between the boycott of a paper that accused Liverpool fans of killing their own and pissing on the bodies of their dead, and the likely reaction of Liverpool fans to the car manufacturer which happens to originate from the same country as the player Suarez is alleged to have abused is a pathetic, childish and unnecessary dig at those who's cause is genuine, and at who's expense the above is aimed

    Its obviously an attempt to demonstrate the over-reaction of Liverpool fans, but only serves to demean a genuine cause
    Technique wrote: »
    Originally Posted by kkkenny

    That's just childish


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,639 ✭✭✭Iago


    Blatter wrote: »
    I'd be absolutely astonished if the FA backed down in anyway, shape of form from this.

    They didn't spend weeks investigating and have an extended verdict process for nothing. They will have explored any possible appeal that Liverpool could make and have made sure that everything is water tight.

    They won't be seen to be reducing the ban of a racism charge. Not a chance. If Liverpool are to be successful in eradicating or reducing the ban, they'll almost certainly have to go through another legal avenue IMO.

    I think they will, and I think they have set it up to give themselves room to do so.

    Let's be honest, are they now going to police every game in every English league every weekend? How much time, money and resource are they going to put into investigating every complaint made by a player who says he was called a racist, homophobic or any other type of slur for that matter?

    It's not that terms should be accepted, it's not that they should be ignored, it's more a question of where do you draw the line. Why is questioning someones sexuality ok, but their skin colour not? What about their parentage or the questionable bedroom behaviour of their spouse/partner?

    Suarez (to the best of my knowledge) admitted using a term that isn't completely derogatory where he hails from. This isn't enough to give him a clean run, but it will be enough to justify a successful appeal and will allow the FA to save face while maintaining their line on racism.

    Personally I think every proven racist comment should be punished, as should every proven homphobic comment and a lot of other things. The problem for the FA with regards to this case is a very simple one, they have invested a lot of time and resource into investigating something that was a case of one players word against another, up to the point of Suarez saying he did call him "negro". That means they'll have to apply the same judicious nature to each and every future complaint and that is going to cause them a massive headache.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,206 ✭✭✭✭amiable


    mixednuts wrote: »
    Don't know about you guys but I'm trilled with the club statement .

    If it's true (as it looks by the statement) that the only evidence was one mans word against another then I say fair play to them .

    The only part I'm not sure about was mentioning Evras previous accusations.

    They mentioned nothing about previous racism accusations

    That is a reference to the fact the FA decided Evra lied giving evidence before to them


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,139 ✭✭✭stumpypeeps


    kryogen wrote: »
    You dont know that all of this is based on Evras evidence alone though


    The club seem pretty adamant it is. I'm sure they would be aware of any concrete evidence apart from Evra's testimony.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,402 ✭✭✭✭Turtyturd


    CSF wrote: »
    No, I just told you that the madzer doesn't let me in. FFS, read the posts. Seriously though, we're going way off topic.

    I'm guessing from your overuse of that word it's because you're underage.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,474 ✭✭✭Crazy Horse 6


    Technique wrote: »
    From a United forum:



    :D

    Pathetic post tbh.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,925 ✭✭✭th3 s1aught3r


    5starpool wrote: »
    A racism charge where neither the complainant nor the adjudicating body believe the person punished is a racist.

    I dont think the FA will have a leg to stand on if Liverpool or Suarez pursue this. They seem to have a weird understanding of burden of proof


  • Moderators, Education Moderators Posts: 5,578 Mod ✭✭✭✭spockety


    amiable wrote: »
    They mentioned nothing about previous racism accusations

    That is a reference to the fact the FA decided Evra lied giving evidence before to them

    The FA probably thought if they didn't bring the charges against Suarez that Evra would accuse them of being racist for not taking a case for him because of his skin colour.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,206 ✭✭✭✭amiable


    The club seem pretty adamant it is. I'm sure they would be aware of any concrete evidence apart from Evra's testimony.

    I'm pretty certain Liverpool would have had access to all evidence available to help defend Suarez


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,206 ✭✭✭✭amiable


    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/manchester-united/8969308/Patrice-Evra-bound-to-be-feeling-vindicated-after-FA-rule-in-his-favour-in-racism-row.html
    Three years ago this month, Patrice Evra was damned by an FA regulatory commission for supplying “exaggerated, ridiculous and far-fetched” evidence following allegations of racism during the infamous ‘Battle of the Bridge’ with Chelsea groundstaff in April 2008.
    On that occasion, Evra was fined £15,000 and hit with a four-match suspension as punishment for his part in the post-match brawl at Stamford Bridge, following United’s defeat against Chelsea, which resulted in the Senegal-born defender claiming to have been called a “
    immigrant” by Chelsea groundsman Sam Bethell.
    The FA’s verdict, greeted with fury by United, literally accused Evra of ‘crying wolf’ by invoking claims of racism, so his decision to report Suarez for racist abuse following the Premier League draw with Liverpool at Anfield in October was bold and not without risk.
    That reality was backed up last night with a Liverpool statement in response to Suarez’s eight-game suspension claiming the Merseyside club found it ‘extraordinary that Luis can be found guilty on the word of Patrice Evra alone.’ The fact that the three-man FA panel found his Evra’s favour, however, ensured that the United defender could not be accused of ‘exaggeration’ on this occasion.
    The FA found that ‘Mr Suarez used insulting words towards Mr Evra during the match contrary to FA Rule E3(1)’ and that ‘the insulting words used by Mr Suarez included a reference to Mr Evra’s colour within the meaning of Rule E3(2).’ Having been dismissed an unreliable witness in 2008, Evra might now consider himself as having struck a blow against racism in football.

    Racism remains a hugely sensitive issue and Suarez’s decision to publicly deny Evra’s accusations within 24 hours of them being aired ensured the nightmare scenario for the FA — England’s two biggest clubs and two of their leading players — offering diametrically opposed versions of events.
    Sir Alex Ferguson quickly insisted that United did not regard the situation as a conflict with Liverpool, rather an issue raised by their player which required the club’s full support.
    The Scot adhered to the FA’s request for the issue not to be discussed publicly.
    At the outset of the damaging affair, Ferguson insisted he would have ‘plenty to say’ when the time was right. With Liverpool so angry at the FA’s decision and their reliance on Evra’s statement, relations between English football most iconic and respected clubs are unlikely to improve any time soon.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,313 ✭✭✭✭K-9


    noodler wrote: »
    Jesus Christ. Delusional lads.

    Bit like saying the victim of a violent act on a pitch saying the aggressor isn't a violent person by nature is somehow "strange".

    Well the FA and even Evra accept he isn't racist. If both parties said that, good enough for me. I mean if the verdict is good enough for some then that admission should be good enough for some as well. Picking and choosing bits is a bit unbiased.

    And this isn't some fan saying it. The very person who says he got racially abused doesn't think he is racist!

    Mad Men's Don Draper : What you call love was invented by guys like me, to sell nylons.



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