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ASOT

Balotelli: The FA are willing to ban someone based on one persons claim, with no video evidence? In that case, the whole ManU squad racially abused me.

citytillidie

#15 wrote: »

Utd immediately banned Cantona after he kicked the fan in the stands, for example. Lots of clubs take disciplinary action when their players step out of line.
Clubs should hold themselves to high standards, regardless of the FA's actions.
That might be a naive view in this case though, given the stance adopted by Dalglish in the immediate aftermath of the game.

No Dalglish came out and defended his player after the game. This is because a rival manager had a dig at his player by calling him a diver and cheat.

Should a manger sit back and let another manager make digs at this players?

The_Kew_Tour

kryogen wrote: »

This type of player?

http://img4.imageshack.us/img4/5633/9scu3a.gif

He should have got 6 months for that tackle alone.:P

Fuhrer

Mr Alan wrote: »

It does make reference to his ethnicity though, which is the same rule Suarez has been charged with breaking.

Also it's 4 games for abuse, 4 games for bringing race into it.

Evra did both too but faces no sanction.

South American isnt a race Mr. Alan...

stumpypeeps

#15 wrote: »

Utd immediately banned Cantona after he kicked the fan in the stands, for example. Lots of clubs take disciplinary action when their players step out of line.
Clubs should hold themselves to high standards, regardless of the FA's actions.
That might be a naive view in this case though, given the stance adopted by Dalglish in the immediate aftermath of the game.

Utd were very strongly behind Ferdinand when he missed his drugs test.

Iang87

#15 wrote: »

Utd immediately banned Cantona after he kicked the fan in the stands, for example. Lots of clubs take disciplinary action when their players step out of line.
Clubs should hold themselves to high standards, regardless of the FA's actions.
That might be a naive view in this case though, given the stance adopted by Dalglish in the immediate aftermath of the game.

am Cantona assaulted a fan in front of millions of people. Suarez "abused" evra and nobody heard in a crowded penalty area

Just a slight difference is all im sayin

Blatter

Blatter wrote: »

The FA would have spent hours discussing and considering the cultural difference phenomenon before they charged him and during the verdict process and they still came to the conclusion that an 8 game ban is a just punishment. Cultural differences will not be a new defense for the appeal.(If they do appeal, word at the moment is that they are undecided)

Do you really think The FA would have handed out that punishment only for them to say after an appeal ''Oh, now we'll take the cultural differences into consideration and reduce the ban'' Why on earth wouldn't they have just given him a 5 game ban in the first place? They'll look silly if they back track on an appeal given it took them two months to reach this verdict in the first place.

Regarding opening up a can of worms, that's based on the assumption that this will lead to several players coming out claiming they've been racially abused. I'm not so sure this, or the John Terry case will lead to as many new cases as you think. I think they are by and large, isolated cases.

And you could always look at the other side of the coin. Perhaps this ban will scare others off making racist jibes in the future and will lead to a decrease in cases.

You seem very certain the FA have this so watertight that it can't be overturned.

#15

stumpypeeps wrote: »

I think we get it. You don't like Liverpool.

I think the ban should be discussed on its own merit. We can leave the my club vs. your club stuff to the children.

No problem with LFC, or with the majority of their fans. I can't believe the reaction from some on here though - you'd think people would just say 'fair enough, he's guilty of abuse' and leave it at that.

I don't think the guy is a racist, but he stepped over the line and it shouldn't be beyond anyone to acknowledge that (in fact most LFC fans do acknowledge it).

And you can bet that if Evra cast a slur against Suarez, I'd condemn that too. Because it's a straight up retarded thing to do, no matter who does it or what club they play for.

It's somewhat amusing that Stumpypeeps is calling out someone for being childish, given your history on these boards.

Crazy Horse 6

I can't my head around why Evra has'nt been charged.

The_Kew_Tour

and lot people seem to know whats actually been said by Evra

stumpypeeps

Fuhrer wrote: »

South American isnt a race Mr. Alan...

So its ok to discriminate against people from South America then?

Professional Griefer

ASOT wrote: »

Ballotelli: The FA are willing to ban someone based on one persons claim, with no video evidence? In that case, the whole ManU squad racially abused me.

I think im in love with mario, such a lad.

God bless Ballotelli, still doesn't realise that Suarez admitted saying something to the effect of negro. Should fire some more fireworks around his house like a real lad.

Iang87

kryogen wrote: »

The FA i agree are a ridiculous governing body most of the time but how you can be proud of a club for the statement they released is beyond me. A statement would have been fine....that statement on the other hand

i'm proud they stood up for him. When the evidence is made public which they said it will be. I will admit I was wrong if in fact I am wrong but from what is coming out its very hard to understand how they reach this conclusion

#15

citytillidie wrote: »

Should a manger sit back and let another manager make digs at this players?

Absolutely not. He was right to defend him from the diving accusations.

But he shouldn't have said anything about the racial abuse case, never mind putting it in such strong terms.

citytillidie

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

and lot people seem to know whats actually been said by Evra

Because Liverpool used it in there statement, if its not true then that was a very big mistake by the club.

Mr Alan

Fuhrer wrote: »

South American isnt a race Mr. Alan...

It is an ethnicity though. Here's the rule Suarez has been charged with breaking;

In the event of any breach of Rule E 3(1) including a reference to any one or more of a person’s ethnic origin, colour, race, nationality, faith, gender, sexual orientation or disability (an “aggravating factor”), a Regulatory Commission shall consider the imposition of an increased sanction, taking into account the following entry points:
For a first offence, a sanction that is double that which the Regulatory Commission would have applied had the aggravating factor not been present.

ASOT

Ix Deadmau5 wrote: »

God bless Ballotelli, still doesn't realise that Suarez admitted saying something to the effect of negro. Should fire some more fireworks around his house like a real lad.

Its his house so he can pretty much do what he wants in it ?

paddy978

Crazy Horse 6 wrote: »

Presumably the next time we play United someone can just say Evra racially abused them and even though no cameras or microphones picked it up, he'll be condemned by the FA and recieve a eight game ban. The FA has come up with an insane verdict. It just cannot stand up unless they have proof.

Stop being stupid.

Divorce Referendum

Crazy Horse 6 wrote: »

I can't my head around why Evra has'nt been charged.

Why? Is 'south american' a racist comment?

YouTookMyName

Just watched the Ben Thatcher elbow on Pedro Mendes which could easily have killed him.
He got an 8 game ban.
The incidents are so similar and deserve the same punishment.

Big Pussy Bonpensiero

citytillidie wrote: »

How do you know he has not used it before?

I don't, and didn't say he hasn't. But, as he says himself, if it is indeed a term of "affection" why wouldn't he have used it before? And if he has used it before, he would more than likely have been called up on it considering the attitude towards racism in Engand.
Surely, at the very least, he was advised by Maxi or one of his agents that the term is offensive here. 11 months is long enough to figure that out.

The way I see it is that if it can be conclusively proved he used the term then he should be punished.

kryogen

ASOT wrote: »

Balotelli: The FA are willing to ban someone based on one persons claim, with no video evidence? In that case, the whole ManU squad racially abused me.

Is that a genuine Balotelli quote??

If so he has just become a bigger legend in my eyes

The game needs characters like him

Blatter

rarnes1 wrote: »

You seem very certain the FA have this so watertight that it can't be overturned.

Yeah, I obviously can't say for certain but I'd be fairly sure of it.

If it wasn't watertight the FA would be leaving themselves open to all sorts of legal threats from Suarez for branding him a racist. I'm not sure they're that stupid and add that to the length of time they took to reach this verdict and consider the amount of legal experts they would have consulted.

I'd be shocked if any appeal was successful just by going on those facts alone.

Iang87

stumpypeeps wrote: »

So its ok to discriminate against people from South America then?

yes apparently so, say nothing about the bla.... african ame.....african fre.....afri......

Evra say nothing about evra

carlcon

citytillidie wrote: »

How do you know he has not used it before?

If it's a word he calls black people on a regular basis because it's not insulting, or is a "term of endearment" like people are claiming, after 5 years in Holland, and a year in England, it would have been highlighted long before now.

It was a once-off over-reaction that he's now paying for. And rightly so.

Turtyturd

ASOT wrote: »

Its his house so he can pretty much do what he wants in it ?

Technically it isn't his but he is Super Mario so he can do whatever the f*ck he wants.

As a gesture of good will we should waive the bill for the door.

kryogen

Iang87 wrote: »

i'm proud they stood up for him. When the evidence is made public which they said it will be. I will admit I was wrong if in fact I am wrong but from what is coming out its very hard to understand how they reach this conclusion

That is fair enough at this point alright

Professional Griefer

ASOT wrote: »

Its his house so he can pretty much do what he wants in it ?

Don't recall saying he couldn't.

Anyways, this has to be the blessing for Carroll to prove his worth? Surely he'll get a run in the team now and show if he can perform?

manual_man

The FA seem to have a problem with the word 'black'

Whats so wrong with being black, i do wish they'd tell us......

ASOT

Turtyturd wrote: »

Technically it isn't his but he is Super Mario so he can do whatever the f*ck he wants.

As a gesture of good will we should waive the bill for the door.

Well you get what i mean, i could technically set my christmas tree on fire right now if i wanted;)

Either way i love his antics. Il be sending my kids to the school thats named after him!