Racism - Mod Note on 1st Post - Read before posting.

noodler · 16-12-2011 05:56PM

Kess73 wrote: »

Nothing to worry about. Agent Fonda is in place.

Last time out he beat 11 to 1 odds, so a three person panel should be a doddle.

Great movie - only saw it for the first time last week.

I would like to see two up front with Bellamy and Carroll if the worst happens.

Professional Griefer · 16-12-2011 05:56PM

ilovelamp2000 wrote: »

It's depressing how stupid some LFC fans are.

If it was a United/City/Arsenal/etc...player then they'd be doing the same. Theres nothing new here, a teams fans standing up for their player, and some talking nonsense. You'd get it from any fans tbf.

Turtyturd · 16-12-2011 05:59PM

Fuhrer wrote: »

Why would it be crazy to set a precedent for Racism getting you a ban?

It would be a case of ethnocentrism.

willmunny1990 · 16-12-2011 06:00PM

Ix Deadmau5 wrote: »

If it was a United/City/Arsenal/etc...player then they'd be doing the same. Theres nothing new here, a teams fans standing up for their player, and some talking nonsense. You'd get it from any fans tbf.

IMO Liverpool fans are slightly worse than the rest TBF. I know all fans are guilty of standing up for their players when they shouldn't but Liverpool have this miss-placed loyalty to their football players it astonishing.

YouTookMyName · 16-12-2011 06:00PM

rarnes1 wrote: »

who posted that?

This Is Anfield @thisisanfield

ilovelamp2000 · 16-12-2011 06:00PM

Ix Deadmau5 wrote: »

If it was a United/City/Arsenal/etc...player then they'd be doing the same. Theres nothing new here, a teams fans standing up for their player, and some talking nonsense. You'd get it from any fans tbf.

I think this is exceptional in it's stupidity (and that's what my comment was aimed at):

This Is Anfield @thisisanfield 6m
Love how many Mancs are taking the high horse on the Suarez case. Calling someone negro is the same as calling someone caucasian. Or blonde.

I wouldn't expect that from anyone.

mormank · 16-12-2011 06:02PM

Fuhrer wrote: »

Why would it be crazy to set a precedent for Racism getting you a ban?

Oh sorry. I should've explained myself a bit better. It would be crazy to set the precedent of banning someone for racist comments with absolutely zero proof or witnesses from either side of the event. It would open up all sorts of accusations that would have to be taken seriously even with no proof.

IvySlayer · 16-12-2011 06:03PM

Suarez, whether he meant to insult him or not, was in the wrong and a simple apology followed by Evra and Suarez hugging and shaking hands in front of a camera and it would've all been over there and then.

ILikeBananas · 16-12-2011 06:04PM

I wonder how many United fans who are on here calling for Suarez's head for making racist comments and how many Liverpool fans who are defending him saying he was misunderstood, would switch their opinions had the jersey's the players were wearing been swapped?

Leiva · 16-12-2011 06:04PM

:P

IvySlayer wrote: »

Suarez, whether he meant to insult him or not, was in the wrong and a simple apology followed by Evra and Suarez hugging and shaking hands in front of a camera and it would've all been over there and then.

Godd man IvySlayer Sepp .

16-12-2011 06:05PM

ILikeBananas wrote: »

I wonder how many United fans who are on here calling for Suarez's head for making racist comments and how many Liverpool fans who are defending him saying he was misunderstood, would switch their opinions had the jersey's the players were wearing been swapped?

99.99% I'd imagine.

Such is life

Jesus Wept · 16-12-2011 06:05PM

willmunny1990 wrote: »

IMO Liverpool fans are slightly worse than the rest TBF.

It would be wouldn't it.

willmunny1990 wrote: »

I know all fans are guilty of standing up for their players when they shouldn't but Liverpool have this miss-placed loyalty to their football players it astonishing.

Seriously, has anything conclusive or damning come out as of yet in this case?

Is there a single video clip of the incident where Suarez is heard calling Evra a useless cotton picking ****** that I have missed?

It's up in the air thus far - nothing conclusive has come out yet and it has been two months.
If you have an agenda to push that LFC fans are overly loyal, you've picked the wrong incident with which to make that point, if any.

Leiva · 16-12-2011 06:07PM

The-Rigger wrote: »

It would be wouldn't it.

Seriously, has anything conclusive or damning come out as of yet in this case? I

Is there a single video clip of the incident where Suarez is heard calling Evra a useless cotton picking ****** that I have missed?

It's up in the air thus far - nothing conclusive has come out yet and it has been two months.
If you have an agenda to push that LFC fans are overly loyal, you've picked the wrong incident with which to make that point, if any.

I really cant see any really strong evidence been present against Suarez cause why would it drag on so long then ?

manual_man · 16-12-2011 06:07PM

Opinions on this basically come down to two things. People who consider someone guilty until proven innocent (Ignorant) - Or people who consider someone innocent until proven guilty (Fair-minded). Anyone who's posted on this thread knows exactly which one they are

ilovelamp2000 · 16-12-2011 06:08PM

Why do people think a video clip is needed when Suarez admitted to saying whatever was said ?

Fuhrer · 16-12-2011 06:08PM

mormank wrote: »

Oh sorry. I should've explained myself a bit better. It would be crazy to set the precedent of banning someone for racist comments with absolutely zero proof or witnesses from either side of the event. It would open up all sorts of accusations that would have to be taken seriously even with no proof.

But we do have witnesses to this, Evra for one. And if what is to believed from the leaks, Suarez admitted to saying Negro.

So theres two, how many more do you need?

K-9 · 16-12-2011 06:08PM

willmunny1990 wrote: »

IMO Liverpool fans are slightly worse than the rest TBF. I know all fans are guilty of standing up for their players when they shouldn't but Liverpool have this miss-placed loyalty to their football players it astonishing.

Liverpool also seem to generate a lot of hatred from opposition fans, so somebody who has a chip on their shoulder about the club, and there's a good few on this board eg., will perceive it that way.

Chelsea seem to have a few haters.

Turtyturd · 16-12-2011 06:09PM

mixednuts wrote: »

I really cant see any really strong evidence been present against Suarez cause why would it drag on so long then ?

As posted in the other thread...it's gone into Fergie time in desperate attempt to get a guilty verdict after he was found innocent in normal time.

Fuhrer · 16-12-2011 06:10PM

willmunny1990 wrote: »

IMO Liverpool fans are slightly worse than the rest TBF. I know all fans are guilty of standing up for their players when they shouldn't but Liverpool have this miss-placed loyalty to their football players it astonishing.

you're a Chelsea fan arent you?

I guess we'll see how true that is when Terry gets his time in the spotlight.

ilovelamp2000 · 16-12-2011 06:12PM

manual_man wrote: »

Opinions on this basically come down to two things. People who consider someone guilty until proven innocent (Ignorant) - Or people who consider someone innocent until proven guilty (Fair-minded). Anyone who's posted on this thread knows exactly which one they are

So the issue is black or white for you then.

K-9 · 16-12-2011 06:12PM

ilovelamp2000 wrote: »

Why do people think a video clip is needed when Suarez admitted to saying whatever was said ?

He has said he didn't say it 10 times as Evra claimed, according to the Telegraph anyway.

manual_man · 16-12-2011 06:14PM

ilovelamp2000 wrote: »

manual_man wrote: »

Opinions on this basically come down to two things. People who consider someone guilty until proven innocent (Ignorant) - Or people who consider someone innocent until proven guilty (Fair-minded). Anyone who's posted on this thread knows exactly which one they are

So the issue is black or white for you then.

Excuse me?

We haven't received any official findings how could it be anything?

ilovelamp2000 · 16-12-2011 06:14PM

K-9 wrote: »

He has said he didn't say it 10 times as Evra claimed, according to the Telegraph anyway.

He only needs to say it once to be guilty, if the term is adjudged to be racist.

Who granted the FA the power to decide whether something is racist or not is a mystery.

Leiva · 16-12-2011 06:15PM

Blatter wrote: »

Just to say before the supposed verdict tomorrow, if it's true that Suarez used the word ''negro'', then whoever leaked the ''negrito'' rumour has epically trolled all of us.

Hmmmmm

estoesanfield

@thisisanfield Some argentinian players have "Negro" as nickname. Argentinian center back, Fernando Cáceres (24 caps for ARG) in exemple.

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VinnyLopez

@thisisanfield I played at estudiantes de la plata when I was 17-18. Negro is a common word for anyone with darker skin not even for blacks

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Ryehauge

@thisisanfield I travelled 4 months in South America earlier this year and people used words like "negro" "gringo" and "gordo" all the time.

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darcystarbuck

@thisisanfield This is ridiculous. I'm Argentinian, and I call my friends 'negrito/negrita' all the time. No one got offended by it.

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K-9 · 16-12-2011 06:17PM

ilovelamp2000 wrote: »

He only needs to say it once to be guilty, if the term is adjudged to be racist.

The way I look at it is, if he said it 10 times well tbh he doesn't have much of a defence, he knew it was winding him up at the very least and persisted. If it was a one of he can say he wasn't aware it was a racist term and its a reasonable enough defence.

Who granted the FA the power to decide whether something is racist or not is a mystery.

Indeed.

Pro. F · 16-12-2011 06:18PM

I think people are wrong to assume that lip reading of video evidence will even be considered in this case. The Evra vs Chelsea Groundskeeper case transcript was linked in full a while back and, iirc, in that case they never even mentioned lip reading, even though they referred to the video evidence a lot. Things like body language and where people were standing when were all studied on the tapes but no mention of trying to lip read what they said. I don't think it is viewed as a reliable source of evidence. So they will probably just rely on statements from the players.

16-12-2011 06:19PM

Liverpool had a linguistics expert on their legal team.

Turtyturd · 16-12-2011 06:20PM

Do the F.A clock off at 5?

smokedeels · 16-12-2011 06:21PM

Luis Suarez doesn't live in South America. He has lived in Northern Europe for five years. It's not acceptable to refer to somebody by their ethnic origin in Holland or England, it's considered racist.

The argument about the word he used and its meaning in South America doesn't work for me.

manual_man · 16-12-2011 06:21PM

ilovelamp2000 wrote: »

manual_man wrote: »

Opinions on this basically come down to two things. People who consider someone guilty until proven innocent (Ignorant) - Or people who consider someone innocent until proven guilty (Fair-minded). Anyone who's posted on this thread knows exactly which one they are

So the issue is black or white for you then.

Excuse me mods, where is the perfectly legimate reply i posted to this gone??

Original post *deleted?!?!!*:

"Excuse me?"

"We haven't received any official findings, so how can it be anything?"

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