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Benimar · 15-12-2011 08:00PM

willmunny1990 wrote: »

Fans are deluded because they back him up for the simple reason he plays for the club they support, same as Terry.

If Suarez were playing for United i wonder what the Liverpool faithful would say on the issue?:rolleyes:
Some fans are so bias and delusional about the players that play for their club its laughable.

If Suarez were playing for United i wonder what the Man United faithful would say on the issue...yourself included.

Mr Alan · 15-12-2011 08:02PM

Fuhrer wrote: »

Yeah, its not.

Put it this way, you met a stranger on the strange, would you have a problem addressing him as a Caucasian?

then you meet another strange, you would feel the exact same way calling him a Negro?

Not after today!

I'm still not being told what the correct term is!

Pro. F · 15-12-2011 08:03PM

Mr Alan wrote: »

Denis Smith, a man who in his autobiography talks of how he helped keep Ferguson in a job & of their great friendship, is on the 3 man panel for this Evra/Suarez case.

You actually couldn't make it up.

That's crazy. Football authorities are so good at doing it wrong.

Personally I don't think anybody should necessarily accept these findings when they come out. We all know what eejits the FA can be. The only thing I'm hoping for is that there is an accepted script of what was actually said between the two released. Then we can make our own minds up.

Fuhrer · 15-12-2011 08:05PM

Mr Alan wrote: »

Not after today!

I'm still not being told what the correct term is!

Answer the question, you would feel just as comfortable calling a black man a Negro as you would calling a white man a Caucasian?

Mr Alan · 15-12-2011 08:07PM

Fuhrer wrote: »

Answer the question, you would feel just as comfortable calling a black man a Negro as you would calling a white man a Caucasian?

Until today, absolutely.

Now answer my question....

tommyhaas · 15-12-2011 08:07PM

Pro. F wrote: »

That's crazy. Football authorities are so good at doing it wrong.

Personally I don't think anybody should necessarily accept these findings when they come out. We all know what eejits the FA can be. The only thing I'm hoping for is that there is an accepted script of what was actually said between the two released. Then we can make our own minds up.

I think we can say with certainty that approximately 50% of posters here won't accept the findings

The FA would I imagine have to have a fairly solid case to find Suarez guilty, as surely he could bring a civil case if he felt he had been found guilty of racism unjustly

K-9 · 15-12-2011 08:08PM

tommyhaas wrote: »

Surely the context can only serve to mitigate a guilty verdict, as oppose to it being a defence? Regardless of intent or provocation, he still said what he is accused of saying

Well the big context in this case is that it isn't a racist term where Suarez is from, in Spain and other places.

Paul Tergat wrote: »

I dont think its reasonable and I just think thats where we differ. IMO, its up to someone when they move somewhere to adapt and make it their business to play by the rules of the country they are in.

People will still have their own national cultures and idiosyncrasies. Just as its unrealistic to expect everybody to be pc all the time, its unrealistic to expect assimilation in England straight away.

Fuhrer · 15-12-2011 08:11PM

Mr Alan wrote: »

Until today, absolutely.

Now answer my question....

Explains about your defense of Suarez I suppose

Mr Alan · 15-12-2011 08:13PM

Fuhrer wrote: »

Explains about your defense of Suarez I suppose

You're unable to answer my question?

CSF · 15-12-2011 08:13PM

Mr Alan wrote: »

Not after today!

I'm still not being told what the correct term is!

I'm pretty sure it is the dictionary term. Still a bit ropey though.

Kess73 · 15-12-2011 08:16PM

Mr Alan wrote: »

Yea I thought it was the official term for their ethnicity.

I've yet to be furnished with what is the correct term, ie. the equivalent to Caucasian.No, i've never called a black person a negro. But I've never called a white person Caucasian either so it's kinda moot.

Actually I can understand your confusion as it is very hard to find one universally accepted term that is also seen as being politically correct in the manner that caucasian is. The term used tends to differ from country to country and even within some countries different groups want to be known by different term to other groups of the same skin colour.

Look at the term African-American in the US. For some it covers all black Americans, but there are some black Americans who object to the descendants, of non West African immigrants or descendants, of non free black folk during the slavery era being allowed to use the African American term.

Much easier just to see people as people and to hell with getting bogged down on colour schemes.

Fuhrer · 15-12-2011 08:21PM

Mr Alan wrote: »

You're unable to answer my question?

Your question?

All you've done is said you call black people negros...

Pro. F · 15-12-2011 08:22PM

Mr Alan wrote: »

I've yet to be furnished with what is the correct term, ie. the equivalent to Caucasian.

Caucasian is an extremely old fashioned and irrelevant word tbh. It comes from the deep past of nonsense race science.

'Black', 'White' and mixtures of country/background (like 'Afro-Caribbean', 'White Irish', etc) are the normal ways of describing race now. And as far as I know an emphasis is placed on how people prefer to identify themselves.

CSF · 15-12-2011 08:23PM

Fuhrer wrote: »

Your question?

All you've done is said you call black people negros...

adjective 2. of, pertaining to, or characteristic of one of the traditional racial divisions of humankind, generally marked by brown to black skin pigmentation, dark eyes, and woolly or crisp hair and including especially the indigenous peoples of Africa south of the Sahara.

Mr Alan · 15-12-2011 08:23PM

Pro. F wrote: »

Caucasian is an extremely old fashioned and irrelevant word tbh. It comes from the deep past of nonsense race science.

'Black', 'White' and mixtures of country/background (like 'Afro-Caribbean', 'White Irish', etc) are the normal ways of describing race now. And as far as I know an emphasis is placed on how people prefer to identify themselves.

Is Caucasian not still the correct term, as in used for medical/police stuff.

Certainly is with CSI!

Kess73 · 15-12-2011 08:25PM

Fuhrer wrote: »

Answer the question, you would feel just as comfortable calling a black man a Negro as you would calling a white man a Caucasian?

Ahhh reminds me of the time I got someone who knew nothing about footy to shout out "C'mon Rangers" ever ten minutes or so in a pub in Ireland whilst a game was on tv. Good times.:D

He managed it three times before things got heated and needed calming down.

Mr Alan · 15-12-2011 08:26PM

Fuhrer wrote: »

Your question?

All you've done is said you call black people negros...

I've asked a question of you a couple of times.

You're incapable of answering, that's fine. But pretending I didn't ask any when anyone reading the thread can see them, that's a little silly.

Fuhrer · 15-12-2011 08:30PM

Mr Alan wrote: »

I've asked a question of you a couple of times.

You're incapable of answering, that's fine. But pretending I didn't ask any when anyone reading the thread can see them, that's a little silly.

What is your question?

Where have you directed a question to me in this thread that I havent answered?

Show me where you quoted something I said, and asked me question. Is that beyond you?

CSF · 15-12-2011 08:33PM

Fuhrer wrote: »

What is your question?

Where have you directed a question to me in this thread that I havent answered?

Show me where you quoted something I said, and asked me question. Is that beyond you?

To be fair, it isn't very difficult to find that he asked what was the correct or accepted term. As an outsider looking in I can't understand why you're being so obtuse.

Mr Alan · 15-12-2011 08:36PM

Mr Alan wrote: »

Until today, absolutely.

Now answer my question....

^Here^

Fuhrer wrote: »

What is your question?

Where have you directed a question to me in this thread that I havent answered?

Show me where you quoted something I said, and asked me question. Is that beyond you?

I'll ask again;

Continue this......

White - Caucasian
Black - ???????

Pro. F · 15-12-2011 08:36PM

Mr Alan wrote: »

Is Caucasian not still the correct term, as in used for medical/police stuff.

Certainly is with CSI!

I just had a read up on the medical aspect there, it isn't precise enough for medical use in many ways now. I don't know what the official line from the police is. But any system that has people referring to Asians as Mongoloid and Africans as Negroid and is based on 100+ year old physical anthropology is clearly balls.

Fuhrer · 15-12-2011 08:38PM

Mr Alan wrote: »

^Here^

I'll ask again;

Continue this......

White - Caucasian
Black - ???????

The genius of you, I was asking what the question is and you reply with the implacably moronic response, answer my question.

Yeah, Black - Black

Glad we cleared that up, anything else you need help with that you cant google yourself?

CSF · 15-12-2011 08:39PM

Fuhrer wrote: »

Yeah, Black - Black

Glad we cleared that up, anything else you need help with that you cant google yourself?

'what does Fuhrer from boards.ie think is the acceptable term for what I would call black people' unfortunately produced no helpful results.

Fuhrer · 15-12-2011 08:45PM

CSF wrote: »

'what does Fuhrer from boards.ie think is the acceptable term for what I would call black people' unfortunately produced no helpful results.

Heres a hint, you could check the census for each country to find out what its an acceptable term, or you could use some common sense.

Or you and Mr Alan could walk the streets calling every black person you meet Negro and see how well your day ends.

Mr Alan · 15-12-2011 08:47PM

Pro. F wrote: »

I just had a read up on the medical aspect there, it isn't precise enough for medical use in many ways now. I don't know what the official line from the police is. But any system that has people referring to Asians as Mongoloid and Africans as Negroid and is based on 100+ year old physical anthropology is clearly balls.

Just had a look at some 'wanted' bulletin boards from various police departments.

Caucasian is still the term used for white people.

Black males are just referred to as black.

And as we've already established negro is a perfectly acceptable word in the Spanish language. A quick check of a English to Spanish dictionary confirms this to be the case.

Blatter · 15-12-2011 08:54PM

Alan, I answered your question earlier.

Other terminologies for black people range from things like Black, African American, Afro American, Black African etc.

Negro is still used, but mostly for only some of the older generation that still identify themselves with the term. Efforts have been made in the past to eradicate the use of the term as many associate it with segregation, slavery and discrimination.

@Pro F

I wouldn't be so quick to think that The Telegraph article is mostly nonsense. Henry Winter is the author and he would be one of the more reputable journalists around, who I can't really see risking his reputation by printing this stuff unless he was fairly sure about it. Daniel Taylor(another renowned journalist) also gave Winter a virtual pat on the back for getting the info.

Obviously we won't know if it is or not until the facts are confirmed, but it's quite likely a lot of the content in that article is correct.

Mr Alan · 15-12-2011 09:01PM

Blatter wrote: »

Other terminologies for black people range from things like Black, African American, Afro American, Black African etc.

The American ones are obviously irrelevant in this instance. And I've never heard 'black african' be used ever in my life. That only leaves 'black'....and the word for black in the language the pair were conversing? Negro.

What you & others are saying is that apparently there is no word in Spanish that can be used without being offensive to describe a black man.

Blatter; I agree re: Winter. Which makes Evra's Ali G moment all the more hysterical!

Fuhrer · 15-12-2011 09:03PM

Mr Alan wrote: »

What you & others are saying is that apparently there is no word in Spanish that can be used without being offensive to describe a black man.

Id imagine if he said "calm down Black" in English it would have been equally offensive.

Mr Alan · 15-12-2011 09:05PM

Fuhrer wrote: »

Id imagine if he said "calm down Black" in English it would have been equally offensive.

Thankfully they were speaking in Spanish.

Presumably you feel Evra should be punished for bringing ethnicity into it in the first place?

K-9 · 15-12-2011 09:08PM

Blatter wrote: »

Alan, I answered your question earlier.

Other terminologies for black people range from things like Black, African American, Afro American, Black African etc.

Negro is still used, but mostly for only some of the older generation that still identify themselves with the term. Efforts have been made in the past to eradicate the use of the term as many associate it with segregation, slavery and discrimination.

@Pro F

I wouldn't be so quick to think that The Telegraph article is mostly nonsense. Henry Winter is the author and he would be one of the more reputable journalists around, who I can't really see risking his reputation by printing this stuff unless he was fairly sure about it. Daniel Taylor(another renowned journalist) also gave Winter a virtual pat on the back for getting the info.

Obviously we won't know if it is or not until the facts are confirmed, but it's quite likely a lot of the content in that article is correct.

Indeed, whatever about the Telegraph and its clear anti EU agenda, ifs sports journalism is pretty good, some good writers.

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