Racism - Mod Note on 1st Post - Read before posting.

killwill wrote: »

Right so that is 2 racists at Liverpool!!!!!
Only joking. The word Negrito can be a term used by friends for each other.
However it is all about context really. And if he did use the word Negrito towards Evra, who is not his friend(but is little) I think there might be a case.

Ironically this definition which was given by Suarez I believe could be a get out of jail card for the FA

In the States black people call each other "Nigga" all the time as a term of endearment,listen to any rap song and you'll hear it but if a white person uses it toward a black person then it's a whole different kettle of fish.
His excuse is a bit thin considering he was winding Evra up all game so calling him "little friend" was hardly what Suarez was doing.

curry-muff wrote: »

That phrase is similar to saying "Sup nigga" which loads of people around Ireland and other countries say to friends, needless to say if they said it to a black person they'd be subject to a good beating.

Its still a derogatory term for a black person any way you look at it, if he called Evra a 'negro' or 'negrito' he will be charged, simple as.

to clarify its not akin to 'sup nigga'.

its been more a likened to 'mate' in Oz.

that said, things are looking bad to be honest. The biting incident could even come back to haunt Suarez. Damn shame. I like blatters approach.

Like all this stuff is said in the heat of the moment or to affect someones performance. There is a massive difference between saying something conisdered racist and being racist IMO.

Handsome Bob wrote: »

Really yeah? Do tell us more.

What exactly do you want me to tell you? Some people are just too hard to please :rolleyes:

I think this post from #15 should end a lot of the confusion about the negrito word:

www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=75475236&postcount=1033

#15 wrote: »

That's not relevant to this case though.

I'm just saying that's what his defence seems to be.

I'm not sure if it's relevant or will suffice to clear him.

zerks wrote: »

In the States black people call each other "Nigga" all the time as a term of endearment,listen to any rap song and you'll hear it but if a white person uses it toward a black person then it's a whole different kettle of fish.
His excuse is a bit thin considering he was winding Evra up all game so calling him "little friend" was hardly what Suarez was doing.

Suarez was hardly winding evra up all game, evra was fighting with everyone on the field from players to the ref, linesman to kissing the badge in front of the fans, if he said little friend he obviously said it in a sarcastic way.

K-9 wrote: »

I'd say Twitter is fun on this. LOL at the unfollow bit!

You should have a look on RAWK-It's all just a conspiracy by United who bribe the FA and refs:rolleyes::eek::eek:

zerks wrote: »

In the States black people call each other "Nigga" all the time as a term of endearment,listen to any rap song and you'll hear it but if a white person uses it toward a black person then it's a whole different kettle of fish.
His excuse is a bit thin considering he was winding Evra up all game so calling him "little friend" was hardly what Suarez was doing.

I agree, you might wanna read again!!!

Pro. F wrote: »

I think this post from #15 should end a lot of the confusion about the negrito word:

www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=75475236&postcount=1033

That's a bit unfair and it is biased. Pacheco used the word as a friendly term. None of us really know the context of it. If it's accepted in Spain and Uruguay as a friendly term then Suarez should get the benefit of the doubt.

That doesn't mean Evra isn't wrong to get offended.

niallo27 wrote: »

Suarez was hardly winding evra up all game, evra was fighting with everyone on the field from players to the ref, linesman to kissing the badge in front of the fans, if he said little friend he obviously said it in a sarcastic way.

Obviously???

Fuhrer wrote: »

No he was charged with abusing Evra, the abuse was considered to be racist.

That's not what the FA statement said.

It read, 'it is also further alleged that this included....'.

That implies it's in addition to the first charge levelled at him.

eldwaro wrote: »

because its just casually used. I dont really understand why there has to be a correlation to race as we all know whats being debated.

ie. mate is said and noone is offended, hence the plausibility of Suarez calling him what 'his team mates call him'.

i understand there is bias everywhere in this, but im just saying my piece.

Ok, heres a situation.


Ashley Young and Rio Ferdidnad are talking before my match, one of them calls the other "my nigga"

Following your logic its perfectly fine for anyone, lets say for arguments sake, Jamie Carragher to walk up and say "Good morning ****"

Mr Alan wrote: »

That's not what the FA statement said.

It read, 'it is also further alleged that this included....'.

That implies it's in addition to the first charge levelled at him.

Eh, no Mr Alan. Included means contained within, not in addition.

K-9 wrote: »

If it's accepted in Spain and Uruguay as a friendly term then Suarez should get the benefit of the doubt.

But it's not accepted between people who are not acquaintances.

That's the whole point.

If 'negrito' was the word used, then the absolute best case scenario for Suarez is that he was not racially abusive, but merely culturally ignorant.

Mark Sawyer, an associate professor of African-American studies and political science at UCLA, speaking about the word negrito wrote:

And certainly the term should not be used when it's not someone that you have, that you know very closely. So even in the Latin American context his use of it was quite improper.

And even that is being generous, because he has lived in northern Europe for 5 years and in England for 9 months and he is hardly stupid enough to have not picked up cultural taboos in that time.

If it wasn't 'negrito' that was said, then fair enough, disregard the above.

Fuhrer wrote: »

Ok, heres a situation.


Ashley Young and Rio Ferdidnad are talking before my match, one of them calls the other "my nigga"

Following your logic its perfectly fine for anyone, lets say for arguments sake, Jamie Carragher to walk up and say "Good morning ****"

They wouldn't understand a word he said.I'd say Suarez speaks better English than Carragher.