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Post-natal depression is a myth.

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  • #272
    TheyKnowMyIP
    Closed Accounts Posts: 568 ✭✭✭TheyKnowMyIP


    Giselle wrote: »
    Your style of debate is the polar opposite of open discussion, which requires an open mind. You get no credit for posting as though anyone who disagrees or even questions your stance is simply wrong.

    So PND is the result of a biochemical imbalance of neurotransmitters in the brain? Ok. I accept this imbalance theory hypothesis without concrete proof:rolleyes:

    I never said PND is a myth, I stated that PND that results from the hypothesis that the chemical imbalance theory causes it is a myth. Throwing drugs at the problem isn't going to solve it. Either way, this is OT, so it's up to the mods to deem if this question is to be addressed within the scope of this thread. Finished.


  • #273
    Dudess
    Closed Accounts Posts: 37,214 ✭✭✭✭Dudess


    People who have experienced depression base their views on "opinion"? No, they base it in experience. The word opinion is often incorrectly and stupidly used around here but that's the best yet. An opinion is a subjective view, nothing else - e.g. I really like the colour red.


  • #274
    Micky Dolenz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 44,079 ✭✭✭✭Micky Dolenz


    AudreyHepburn wrote: »
    Not if the responding posters behaved like animals and tore me to shreds without actually taking the time to consider my point, no.

    What's the point in the OP responding when you all repeatadly lay into her?


    Mod note:

    It's as clear as the nose on your face that the OP is a troll and have no doubt about it.

    I am however surprised with the reaction, numerous people called him out as a troll but still interacted and engaged. Want to guess on how many people reported the opening post. 0.

    It's an interesting subject and mental health issue should be discussed, for this reason it will remain open.


  • #275
    My name is URL
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,312 ✭✭✭✭My name is URL


    Dudess wrote: »
    People who have experienced depression base their views on "opinion"? No, they base it in experience. The word opinion is often incorrectly and stupidly used around here but that's the best yet. An opinion is a subjective view, nothing else - e.g. I really like the colour red.

    There was a thread some time back in which a poll was run where 65% of respondents said that they suffer or have suffered in the past from depression. It'd make you wonder whether or not they base that on their own opinion of what depression is or on their experiences of being diagnosed and treated for depression.

    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055548350


  • #276
    TheyKnowMyIP
    Closed Accounts Posts: 568 ✭✭✭TheyKnowMyIP


    One thing is for certain, Depression is NOT the result of a biochemical imbalance in the brain. It really is junk science, this biomedical approach to Depression.

    http://www.academyanalyticarts.org/fores.htm#Fores


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  • #277
    steddyeddy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,565 ✭✭✭✭steddyeddy


    Micky Dolenz wrote: »
    Mod note:

    It's as clear as the nose on your face that the OP is a troll and have no doubt about it.

    I am however surprised with the reaction, numerous people called him out as a troll but still interacted and engaged. Want to guess on how many people reported the opening post. 0.

    It's an interesting subject and mental health issue should be discussed, for this reason it will remain open.

    +1 I find it a very interesting and informative thread so in that sense the op failed at trolling!


  • #278
    Dudess
    Closed Accounts Posts: 37,214 ✭✭✭✭Dudess


    For certain? You really should learn the difference between something you strongly believe yet not established beyond a shadow of a doubt... versus fact.


  • #279
    TheyKnowMyIP
    Closed Accounts Posts: 568 ✭✭✭TheyKnowMyIP


    Dudess wrote: »
    For certain? You really should learn the difference between something you strongly believe yet not established beyond a shadow of a doubt... versus fact.

    For all practical intents and purposes, yes. It's not my opinion. It is a fact that as a model for the cause of Depression, the biomedical pill pushing chemical imbalance theory is bs. It is generally regarded as a junk hypothesis.


  • #280
    parrai
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 500 ✭✭✭parrai


    There are no facts, only interpretations.

    He who fights with monsters should look to it that he himself does not become a monster. And when you gaze long into an abyss the abyss also gazes into you. Friedrich Wilhelm Nietzsche


  • #281
    Sid_Justice
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,720 ✭✭✭Sid_Justice


    TheyKnowMyIP can you summarise, perhaps in a line or two, what the alternative hypotheses to the pathogenesis of depression other than 'biochemical imbalance'? Or if that's too cumbersome, just the hypothesis you follow.


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  • #282
    flutterflye
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,538 ✭✭✭flutterflye


    TheyKnowMyIP wrote: »
    For all practical intents and purposes, yes. It's not my opinion. It is a fact that as a model for the cause of Depression, the biomedical pill pushing chemical imbalance theory is bs. It is generally regarded as a junk hypothesis.

    Lol at that utter nonsense!!! :)
    And anyway, it's not that chemicals are imbalanced, more that the neurotransmitters are depleted etc...


  • #283
    TheyKnowMyIP
    Closed Accounts Posts: 568 ✭✭✭TheyKnowMyIP


    flutterflye wrote: »
    Lol at that utter nonsense!!! :)
    And anyway, it's not that chemicals are imbalanced, more that the neurotransmitters are depleted etc...

    Convincing to say the least. The vast majority of these drugs are prescribed under that very assumption. The "theory of chemical imbalance" is full of holes.


  • #284
    flutterflye
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,538 ✭✭✭flutterflye


    TheyKnowMyIP wrote: »
    Convincing to say the least. The vast majority of these drugs are prescribed under that very assumption. The "theory of chemical imbalance" is full of holes.

    No, they are not.
    They are re uptake inhibitors - that is all.


  • #285
    Sid_Justice
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,720 ✭✭✭Sid_Justice


    are we referring to the monoamine theory here when we say biochemical imbalance?


  • #286
    TheyKnowMyIP
    Closed Accounts Posts: 568 ✭✭✭TheyKnowMyIP


    Sid_Justice wrote: »
    TheyKnowMyIP can you summarise, perhaps in a line or two, what the alternative hypotheses to the pathogenesis of depression other than 'biochemical imbalance'? Or if that's too cumbersome, just the hypothesis you follow.

    I don't follow any other hypothesis, I am simply stating that the basis these SSRI drugs are prescribed under is highly questionable. The entire basis for Biological Psychiatry operates under the assumption that a deficiency in neurotransmitters is the cause of Depression. This is false.

    If this wasn't the basic premise for prescription, that of a biochemical deficiency in certain neurotransmitters, why would the drugs be prescribed?

    How to you account for Ads like the following? How long before Ads for PND depression as a chemical imabalance start to appear?


  • #287
    miss_shadow
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,446 ✭✭✭miss_shadow


    Kaneda_ wrote: »
    Women are simply not allowed to admit to themselves or others that they are depressed about being mothers.Unlike decisions about career, where to live, who to marry, etc, this one cannot be undone. Some find it hard to cope with the changes it brings, feeling like the experience did not live up to expectations manufactured and promoted by society. This creates cognitive dissonance and eventually depression.

    All people experience major distress, sadness, and anxiety at various points in their lives. Post-natal depression is no different than any other major form of depression.We feel it when we lose our jobs, have loved ones die, and when life becomes overwhelming. But this particular depression is fueled by a decision that a woman is not permitted to regret and cannot take back.It is done.Final.

    There is only DEPRESSION. No need to create a special label that only exists because saying "I REGRET THIS DECISION!" is not acceptable in a society that promotes motherhood as some magical transcendent experience.Not the case for everyone and we need to acknowledge that. For some it is a cause of considerable pain, regret, and emotional turmoil.

    Sorry but speaking from someone with it, you obviously know F@&k all about it!


  • #288
    TheyKnowMyIP
    Closed Accounts Posts: 568 ✭✭✭TheyKnowMyIP


    flutterflye wrote: »
    No, they are not.
    They are re uptake inhibitors - that is all.

    Which falls under the chemical imbalance definition.


  • #289
    Abi
    Closed Accounts Posts: 22,058 ✭✭✭✭Abi


    miss_shadow wrote: »
    Sorry but speaking from someone with it, you obviously know F@&k all about it!
    Micky Dolenz wrote: »
    Kaneda banned for trolling.

    I think this thread should be locked based on the fact that it was created by a troll, which still seems to be serving it's purpose.


  • #290
    flutterflye
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,538 ✭✭✭flutterflye


    TheyKnowMyIP wrote: »
    Which falls under the chemical imbalance definition.

    Nope.


  • #291
    TheyKnowMyIP
    Closed Accounts Posts: 568 ✭✭✭TheyKnowMyIP


    flutterflye wrote: »
    Nope.

    http://www.netdoctor.co.uk/diseases/depression/selectiveserotoninreputakeinhibitors_000147.htm


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  • #292
    parrai
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 500 ✭✭✭parrai


    TheyKnowMyIP, Are you a doctor/psychologist/medical student? Genuine question...


  • #293
    TheyKnowMyIP
    Closed Accounts Posts: 568 ✭✭✭TheyKnowMyIP


    parrai wrote: »
    TheyKnowMyIP, Are you a doctor/psychologist/medical student? Genuine question...

    I used to work in Electronics till recent. I have an Electrical based degree to my name.


  • #294
    flutterflye
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,538 ✭✭✭flutterflye


    TheyKnowMyIP wrote: »
    http://www.netdoctor.co.uk/diseases/depression/selectiveserotoninreputakeinhibitors_000147.htm

    What exactly are you showing me here??

    SSRI's work by decreasing the loss of serotonin.
    This does not mean there was an 'imbalance'.

    It just means that there is a loss of serotonin each time neurons pass them on to the next neuron, and the SSRI's prevent the loss from being so great.

    I really don't know what it is you think you are trying to say.
    Everything you have said is nonsense!
    You do realise that, yes?


  • #295
    TheyKnowMyIP
    Closed Accounts Posts: 568 ✭✭✭TheyKnowMyIP


    flutterflye wrote: »
    I really don't know what it is you think you are trying to say.
    Everything you have said is nonsense!

    :rolleyes:

    Please re read the dictionary definition of balance again. Thanks.


  • #296
    flutterflye
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,538 ✭✭✭flutterflye


    TheyKnowMyIP wrote: »
    :rolleyes:

    Please re read the dictionary definition of balance again. Thanks.

    No, it is not an imbalance, it is a depletion of chemical levels.

    Why don't you read it yourself there.


  • #297
    TheyKnowMyIP
    Closed Accounts Posts: 568 ✭✭✭TheyKnowMyIP


    flutterflye wrote: »
    No, it is not an imbalance, it is a depletion of chemical levels.

    Why don't you read it yourself there.

    A depletion from a known equilibrium, or more specifically, the balance. At least that is the definition in conventional Engineering practice. How can you claim there is a "depletion" when no equlibrium point for this "balance" has been determined? Voodoo Science it looks to me! How they push this as correct is beyond me. It's amusing how medical research is basically accepted as fact without little evidence. This would not fly for a microsecond in other scientific fields of research.


  • #298
    parrai
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 500 ✭✭✭parrai


    TheyKnowMyIP wrote: »
    The entire field of Psychiatry is in severe disarray already. http://www.wired.com/magazine/2010/12/ff_dsmv/

    “there is no definition of a mental disorder. It’s bull****. I mean, you just can’t define it.” - Allen Frances, lead author of the DSM

    If Psychiatry wants to maintain any credability, it should merge with a real science, like Neurology.
    TheyKnowMyIP wrote: »
    ...they don't have a solid idea of how the mind works at a neurological level.

    Would you say it is fair to say based on what you have said above, that all the links, throughout this entire thread, that you have given are merely opinion?


  • #299
    flutterflye
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,538 ✭✭✭flutterflye


    TheyKnowMyIP wrote: »
    A depletion from a known equilibrium, or more specifically, the balance. At least that is the definition in conventional Engineering practice. How can you claim there is a "depletion" when no equlibrium point for this "balance" has been determined? Voodoo Science it looks to me! How they push this as correct is beyond me. It's amusing how medical research is basically accepted as fact without little evidence. This would not fly for a microsecond in other scientific fields of research.

    There is no set balance - no equilibrium.
    It is constantly changing.
    From person to person, from day to day, from hour to hour.
    When we are happy, this is because we have an increase in these chemicals, when we are sad, there is a decrease.


  • #300
    TheyKnowMyIP
    Closed Accounts Posts: 568 ✭✭✭TheyKnowMyIP


    parrai wrote: »
    Would you say it is fair to say based on what you have said above, that all the links, throughout this entire thread, that you have given are merely opinion?

    No. I have interpreted the facts and determined that Biological Psychiatry in the traditional sense, does not meet the criteria for a hard science.

    Would you say positively that Biological Psychiatry meets the criteria set out in this document? Where are the lab tests for determining someone has a chemical imbalance in the brain? Answer: there is none.


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  • #301
    TheyKnowMyIP
    Closed Accounts Posts: 568 ✭✭✭TheyKnowMyIP


    flutterflye wrote: »
    There is no set balance - no equilibrium.
    It is constantly changing.
    From person to person, from day to day, from hour to hour.
    When we are happy, this is because we have an increase in these chemicals, when we are sad, there is a decrease.

    Sorry, I remain skeptical of these claims.


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