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DOC09UNAM · 16-10-2011 07:06PM

Mr Alan wrote: »

In which case, if Evra has told the world that evidence exists which does not, he should be held accountable for frivilous accusations of such severity, what part of that are you not getting?

I'm sure Evra doesn't know the ins and outs of the cameras and whether they were on him or not.

You are taking what he said extremely literally to suit your own agenda tbh.

I'm sure what he meant was that it happened out in the open several times, and that it SHOULD be caught on camera, he however, won't know for sure, and neither will we until sky have checked all the footage.

DOC09UNAM · 16-10-2011 07:07PM

tommyhaas wrote: »

I don't know how you've come to the conclusion that a majority would favour that

Because some of the people here would have you believe that because biscuits was found innocent, that Marcelo had clearly lied about it.

Innocent until proven guilt and such and such.

Chucky the tree · 16-10-2011 07:08PM

tommyhaas wrote: »

I don't know how you've come to the conclusion that a majority would favour that

Here..

michael999999 wrote: »

If the claims are found to be untrue, he should be sued for slander!

rarnes1 wrote: »

To answer your question I'd say yes there would and should be action.

However, if there is no evidence to support his claim then it may never be proved that what he said is untrue.

Unless he admitted he lied which obviously won't happen.

Mr Alan wrote: »

Probably good to have all the discussion of this in one thread tbh.

If Evra's claim that Suarez abused him at least 10 times & it can be seen on camera is proven to be false, he should have the book thrown at him. If its proven to be true, same for Suarez.

Mr Alan · 16-10-2011 07:09PM

DOC09UNAM wrote: »

I'm sure Evra doesn't know the ins and outs of the cameras and whether they were on him or not.

You are taking what he said extremely literally to suit your own agenda tbh.

I'm sure what he meant was that it happened out in the open several times, and that it SHOULD be caught on camera, he however, won't know for sure, and neither will we until sky have checked all the footage.

Well then Evra should not have commented on it. And he should be held accountable for doing so.

If there is TV pics of him racially abusing him, but they can't be 100% sure, then fair enough that Evra shouldn't be punished.

However, if there is nothing, then throw the book at him.

Melion · 16-10-2011 07:10PM

Could i just point out that in my original post i said COULD a punishment be handed down if he is found to be lying. Basically i wanted to know if there was any precedence for something like this.

DOC09UNAM · 16-10-2011 07:10PM

Mr Alan wrote: »

Well then Evra should not have commented on it. And he should be held accountable for doing so.

Then this is where we disagree.

He is saying it happened, if it can be proved that it definitely did not happen, then he should be held accountable, otherwise, he shouldn't.

tommyhaas · 16-10-2011 07:10PM

DOC09UNAM wrote: »

Because some of the people here would have you believe that because biscuits was found innocent, that Marcelo had clearly lied about it.

Innocent until proven guilt and such and such.

I see where he got the idea from, just not the majority part

michael999999 · 16-10-2011 07:11PM

DOC09UNAM wrote: »

I'm sure Evra doesn't know the ins and outs of the cameras and whether they were on him or not.

You are taking what he said extremely literally to suit your own agenda tbh.

I'm sure what he meant was that it happened out in the open several times, and that it SHOULD be caught on camera, he however, won't know for sure, and neither will we until sky have checked all the footage.

Fa investigation or not, if Sky had the footage they would be playing it on loop for the last 12 hours, with Jim White creaming himself!

Mr Alan · 16-10-2011 07:12PM

DOC09UNAM wrote: »

He is saying it happened, if it can be proved that it definitely did not happen, then he should be held accountable, otherwise, he shouldn't.

Its virtually impossible to prove a negative of something like that.

It gives people free rein to make totally baseless accusations anytime they want & is totally unacceptable imo.

Chucky the tree · 16-10-2011 07:12PM

tommyhaas wrote: »

I see where he got the idea from, just not the majority part

Well if you can point out what Liverpool fans posted he shouldn't then I will take it back but I haven't seen any in this thread.

DOC09UNAM · 16-10-2011 07:12PM

michael999999 wrote: »

Fa investigation or not, if Sky had the footage they would be playing it on loop for the last 12 hours, with Jim White creaming himself!

Yep, because they would know exactly what camera to check at exactly what time.

TeddyTedson · 16-10-2011 07:13PM

Evra will now have all other teams abusing him because they'll know it will get to him .

DOC09UNAM · 16-10-2011 07:13PM

Mr Alan wrote: »

Its virtually impossible to prove a negative of something like that.

It gives people free rein to make totally baseless accusations anytime they want & is totally unacceptable imo.

But if the negative can't be proved, then how can the positive?

The same evidence is being used to prove either, so if it's not available, it's impossible to tell whether he's innocent or guilty?

Do you not agree?

ilovelamp2000 · 16-10-2011 07:15PM

Mr Alan wrote: »

Well then Evra should not have commented on it. And he should be held accountable for doing so.

If there is TV pics of him racially abusing him, but they can't be 100% sure, then fair enough that Evra shouldn't be punished.

However, if there is nothing, then throw the book at him.

Evra should be held accountable for saying something should be on camera ?

Honestly, listen to yourself.

tommyhaas · 16-10-2011 07:15PM

Chucky the tree wrote: »

Here..

The first two quotes are only advocating Evra be punished if his claims are found to be lies, as oppose to if there's a lack of evidence

homerjay2005 · 16-10-2011 07:16PM

Hedman wrote: »

Oh ffs, not this again.

how can we take this thread seriously when the original poster starts it with a cheap shot and a lie?

since edited of course when he was put in his place.

DOC09UNAM · 16-10-2011 07:17PM

homerjay2005 wrote: »

how can we take this thread seriously when the original poster starts it with a cheap shot and a lie?

since edited of course when he was put in his place.

He made a mistake, these things happen.

He is however asking a very important question, Could Evra face the punishment if it is found out he has lied?

tommyhaas · 16-10-2011 07:18PM

Chucky the tree wrote: »

Well if you can point out what Liverpool fans posted he shouldn't then I will take it back but I haven't seen any in this thread.

I think the majority would agree that if it can be proved Evra made things up, he should be punished, however I would disagree that a majority would support punishing him unless it can be proved he lied

Chucky the tree · 16-10-2011 07:18PM

tommyhaas wrote: »

The first two quotes are only advocating Evra be punished if his claims are found to be lies, as oppose to if there's a lack of evidence

Fair enough. Can't see Evra admitting he lied but who knows.

16-10-2011 07:18PM

michael999999 wrote: »

Fa investigation or not, if Sky had the footage they would be playing it on loop for the last 12 hours, with Jim White creaming himself!

This made me lol :pac:

tommyhaas · 16-10-2011 07:19PM

Chucky the tree wrote: »

Fair enough. Can't see Evra admitting he lied but who knows.

There's no way it could be proven

Mr Alan · 16-10-2011 07:19PM

ilovelamp2000 wrote: »

Evra should be held accountable for saying something should be on camera ?

No. He should be held accountable for saying that you can clearly see something on camera if indeed it turns out you can see nothing of the sort.

If he said that he was continuosly abused & it may be on camera etc, there would be no issue.

Chucky the tree · 16-10-2011 07:20PM

tommyhaas wrote: »

There's no way it could be proven

That's what I mean. Unless Evra admits he lied he it can't be proven he made it up.

michael999999 · 16-10-2011 07:20PM

DOC09UNAM wrote: »

Yep, because they would know exactly what camera to check at exactly what time.

This is SkY were on about, they probably have hundreds of techs working for them. So your telling me there techs have not watched every second of footage over and over again since the claims were made.

Not that hard to find really, simply scan through till Evra and Suarez are within earshot of each other.

FYG · 16-10-2011 07:20PM

monkey9 wrote: »

I didn'y say he did!

FYG wrote: »

What "claims" are you talking about so?

Well?

Mr Alan · 16-10-2011 07:23PM

DOC09UNAM wrote: »

But if the negative can't be proved, then how can the positive?

Witnesses or video evidence.

If neither exist then Evra should not have said the later does.

Melion · 16-10-2011 07:23PM

homerjay2005 wrote: »

how can we take this thread seriously when the original poster starts it with a cheap shot and a lie?

since edited of course when he was put in his place.

I wasnt "put in my place". I asked for links showing how untrue the Chelsea thing was. I was given the links and changed my post to show that.

16-10-2011 07:25PM

Schmeichel was accused of racism by Ian Wright.

Whatever happened with that case?

TeddyTedson · 16-10-2011 07:26PM

FYG wrote: »

"Watch the ginger on the left" is your manager using an easily identifiable feature to instruct your team on what to do.

It's not the same as me going up to a black person and calling them a ****** to their face.

Totally different situations.

I don't mean it's the same, obviously the origins of the word N***** are very different. But it is the same ball park. If someone on the other team said, "**** you carrot top, I'm going to ****ing do you, you ginger ****" to an actual ginger or something along those lines, it's being derogatory about the way they look, to rile them up and get the better of them. It's the same here. Shouldn't this get the same attention too?

ilovelamp2000 · 16-10-2011 07:28PM

Mr Alan wrote: »

Witnesses or video evidence.

If neither exist then Evra should not have said the later does.

Should he have made the allegation though ?

Because that's the important thing, not the nonsense you're carrying on with.

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