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Racism - Mod Note on 1st Post - Read before posting.

  • 16-10-2011 06:08PM
    #1
    Melion
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 10,259 ✭✭✭✭


    Mod Note

    This thread has already caused significant troubles in the sheer number of infractions that have occured. Please consider what you are posting before you post anything on this thread. I would also point out that multiple infractions on one thread lead to bans. Avoid, in general, phrases like Liverpool fans or United fans, as they are genralisaitons and most likely incorrect. Very little leniency will be shown on this thread. To re-iterate the charter:
    The rules on abuse apply to more than just boards users, and cover players/managers/fans/clubs/sports personalities as well. You may consider certain terms to be a bit of banter, but any nickname or phrase that is even vaguely derogatory may be considered as abuse for the purpose of the charter.

    Calling a team Manure, Liverpoo, redsh1te, bluesh1te, the Scum, the Hun or any other variant is abuse.

    Nicknames like whisky nose, fat Spanish waiter, Fat Sam, Fat Frank and similar is abuse.

    Calling Andy Gray or Pat Dolan names is abuse.

    This list is not intended to be exhaustive, but it is common for users to misinterpret this rule and assume that language like the above is OK. Please think carefully before posting anything like the above.

    However, emotional language is not in itself a problem. It is ok to deliver a point passionately, to swear if you so choose, though you can make a point solidly without having to call people / teams / etc names.

    The mod team reserve the right to apply their judgement as to a users intent when posting, and issue bans and/or infractions for abuse as neccesary.


    *****

    Without wanting to start a Liverpool - United debate. I dont want to put this in the United thread and i dont think it belongs in the match thread either.

    Could any punishment be handed down to Patrice Evra if these claims turn out to be false?


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  • #2
    Will I Amnt
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    This wont last long


  • #3
    Melion
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 10,259 ✭✭✭✭Melion


    cambo2008 wrote: »
    This wont last long

    It will if people manage to not mention Liverpool, United or the match yesterday.


  • #4
    Will I Amnt
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,222 ✭✭✭✭Will I Amnt


    Melion wrote: »
    cambo2008 wrote: »
    This wont last long

    It will if people manage to not mention Liverpool, United or the match yesterday.
    Well you have already made a false accusation about Evra in the op


  • #5
    michael999999
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    If the claims are found to be untrue, he should be sued for slander!


  • #6
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    To answer your question I'd say yes there would and should be action.

    However, if there is no evidence to support his claim then it may never be proved that what he said is untrue.

    Unless he admitted he lied which obviously won't happen.


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  • #7
    Hedman
    Closed Accounts Posts: 224 ✭✭Hedman


    Melion wrote: »
    if his latest claims are found to be as false as the last time he said someone was being racist towards him?

    Oh ffs, not this again.


  • #8
    3hn2givr7mx1sc
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    Melion wrote: »
    It will if people manage to not mention Liverpool, United or the match yesterday.

    You already did in the OP, ffs.

    Anyway, how can it be proved he was lying unless there was a camera in focus pointing at them whenever Evra and Suarez were beside each other. It will be near impossible to prove nothing was said, and it'd be very hard to determine whether anything was said.


  • #9
    Melion
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 10,259 ✭✭✭✭Melion


    cambo2008 wrote: »
    Well you have already made a false accusation about Evra in the op

    Did i?


  • #10
    Will I Amnt
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,222 ✭✭✭✭Will I Amnt


    Hedman wrote: »
    Melion wrote: »
    if his latest claims are found to be as false as the last time he said someone was being racist towards him?

    Oh ffs
    It's amazing how someone can miss the articles that have appeared numerous times in 3 different threads that clearly state he never made any such claims.


  • #11
    Melion
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 10,259 ✭✭✭✭Melion


    baz2009 wrote: »
    You already did in the OP, ffs.

    Anyway, how can it be proved he was lying unless there was a camera in focus pointing at them whenever Evra and Suarez were beside each other. It will be near impossible to prove nothing was said, and it'd be very hard to determine whether anything was said.

    How did i? I didnt want any discussion of diving etc from yesterdays match

    And if Evra is so adamant that it was said at least 10 times then surely there will be some proof of it. If the ref is aware of what was "said" then it would have been a red card instantly.


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  • #12
    Melion
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    cambo2008 wrote: »
    It's amazing how someone can miss the articles that have appeared numerous times in 3 different threads that clearly state he never made any such claims.


    Unfortunately i dont read every thread on boards. If you would like to link me to the posts i will gladly read them.


  • #13
    TeddyTedson
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,758 ✭✭✭✭TeddyTedson


    I'm a United fan and I don't see the big problem.
    When I play football I get called all sorts of names. You just get on with it.
    Our manager would even shout for example, "Watch the ginger, watch the ginger on the left" or something like that, and nobody takes any notice.
    So being called a N***** in a game is nothing new, and I bet it happens in the league every match.


  • #14
    3hn2givr7mx1sc
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    Melion wrote: »
    How did i? I didnt want any discussion of diving etc from yesterdays match

    And if Evra is so adamant that it was said at least 10 times then surely there will be some proof of it. If the ref is aware of what was "said" then it would have been a red card instantly.

    Who said anything about diving?:confused:

    There should be, but there might not be. How does Evra know what every camera was pointing at when(he claims) Luis Suarez said what is alleged to him.

    The ref is aware that there was alleged racism. He didn't hear it himself, I presume.


  • #15
    Mr Alan
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,372 ✭✭✭✭Mr Alan


    Probably good to have all the discussion of this in one thread tbh.

    If Evra's claim that Suarez abused him at least 10 times & it can be seen on camera is proven to be false, he should have the book thrown at him. If its proven to be true, same for Suarez.


  • #16
    Cypher_sounds
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    No place for racism in soccer forum.


  • #17
    monkey9
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    TeddyTedson wrote: »
    I'm a United fan and I don't see the big problem.
    When I play football I get called all sorts of names. You just get on with it.
    Our manager would even shout for example, "Watch the ginger, watch the ginger on the left" or something like that, and nobody takes any notice.
    So being called a N***** in a game is nothing new, and I bet it happens in the league every match.

    Big difference between being called a ****** and being called a ginger


  • #18
    FYG
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 961 ✭✭✭FYG


    TeddyTedson wrote: »
    I'm a United fan and I don't see the big problem.
    When I play football I get called all sorts of names. You just get on with it.
    Our manager would even shout for example, "Watch the ginger, watch the ginger on the left" or something like that, and nobody takes any notice.
    So being called a N***** in a game is nothing new, and I bet it happens in the league every match.

    "Watch the ginger on the left" is your manager using an easily identifiable feature to instruct your team on what to do.

    It's not the same as me going up to a black person and calling them a ****** to their face.

    Totally different situations.


  • #19
    Melion
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    baz2009 wrote: »
    Who said anything about diving?:confused:

    There should be, but there might not be. How does Evra know what every camera was pointing at when(he claims) Luis Suarez said what is alleged to him.

    The ref is aware that there was alleged racism. He didn't hear it himself, I presume.

    I didnt read it but id be pretty confident there was lots of talk about diving in the match thread yesterday. Nothing for you to be confused about here.

    "In an interview with French tv station Canal Plus, Evra said: “There are cameras. You can see him (Suarez) say a certain word to me at least 10 times."

    Thats from Evra, that is HIM Saying that a camera seen it.


  • #20
    Hedman
    Closed Accounts Posts: 224 ✭✭Hedman


    Melion wrote: »
    Unfortunately i dont read every thread on boards. If you would like to link me to the posts i will gladly read them.


    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=74953612&postcount=5693

    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=74954785&postcount=5741


  • #21
    #15
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    Melion wrote: »
    Without wanting to start a Liverpool - United debate. I dont want to put this in the United thread and i dont think it belongs in the match thread either.

    Could any punishment be handed down to Patrice Evra if his latest claims are found to be as false as the last time he said someone was being racist towards him?

    Despite not wanting to start a Liverpool-United debate, you decide to ask if a United player can be banned for making an allegation against a Liverpool player?

    Anyway, before this thread gets going, you would need to check if some people can understand the difference between a false claim and insufficient evidence.

    Otherwise you will have a load of people advocating bans for Evra in the event of an ''inconclusive'' judgement.
    And that wouldn't help answer your question at all.


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  • #22
    Mr Alan
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    FYG wrote: »
    "Watch the ginger on the left" is your manager using an easily identifiable feature to instruct your team on what to do.

    It's not the same as me going up to a black person and calling them a ****** to their face.

    Totally different situations.

    What about if someone was squaring up to Steve Sidwell & said, "get out of my face you ginger fool"......that's the same tbh.

    However, that's a different conversation, more around the politically correct nature of the society we live in.


  • #23
    3hn2givr7mx1sc
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    Melion wrote: »
    I didnt read it but id be pretty confident there was lots of talk about diving in the match thread yesterday. Nothing for you to be confused about here.

    "In an interview with French tv station Canal Plus, Evra said: “There are cameras. You can see him (Suarez) say a certain word to me at least 10 times."

    Thats from Evra, that is HIM Saying that a camera seen it.

    You're the one that brought up diving in this thread. Nothing for you to be confused about here.

    He says there are cameras, which there obviously are. How can he know exactly that a camera can see Suarez's mouth clearly enough for someone to lip read what he says?

    BTW, he never said that a particular camera saw it.


  • #24
    Blatter
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    TeddyTedson wrote: »
    I'm a United fan and I don't see the big problem.
    When I play football I get called all sorts of names. You just get on with it.
    Our manager would even shout for example, "Watch the ginger, watch the ginger on the left" or something like that, and nobody takes any notice.
    So being called a N***** in a game is nothing new, and I bet it happens in the league every match.

    Racism-happens-ALL-THE-TIME-its-just-that-people-are-making-a-huge-deal-about-it-because-its-S2.jpg



    :rolleyes:


  • #25
    3hn2givr7mx1sc
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    monkey9 wrote: »
    Big difference between being called a ****** and being called a ginger

    I find your surname offensive.


  • #26
    Will I Amnt
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    Melion wrote: »
    cambo2008 wrote: »
    It's amazing how someone can miss the articles that have appeared numerous times in 3 different threads that clearly state he never made any such claims.


    Unfortunately i dont read every thread on boards. If you would like to link me to the posts i will gladly read them.
    Liverpool and United superthreads and the match thread ???
    You didn't read any of them lately???


  • #27
    Mr Alan
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    #15 wrote: »
    Otherwise you will have a load of people advocating bans for Evra in the event of an ''inconclusive'' judgement.

    There won't be an inconclusive judgement imo.

    It'll either be innocent or guilty.

    If Evra is found to have lied (he says it was said at least ten times & it can be seen on the TV cameras), then he should be facing a lengthy ban.


  • #28
    monkey9
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    #15 wrote: »
    Despite not wanting to start a Liverpool-United debate, you decide to ask if a United player can be banned for making an allegation against a Liverpool player?

    Anyway, before this thread gets going, you would need to check if some people can understand the difference between a false claim and insufficient evidence.

    Otherwise you will have a load of people advocating bans for Evra in the event of an ''inconclusive'' judgement.
    And that wouldn't help answer your question at all.

    We need just need to look at the footage that Evra claims exists of Suarez racially abusing him, then we can move on once Suarez is banned! No need for any 'inconclusive judgement'. Evra has made the allegation, it shall be easy to prove once this video that Evra claims exists is viewed


  • #29
    Melion
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    cambo2008 wrote: »
    Liverpool and United superthreads and the match thread ???
    You didn't read any of them lately???

    I havent read the United superthread in quite a while. I didnt read the match thread after kick-off. And i read the last page of the Liverpool thread.

    Is that ok your honour?


  • #30
    Mr Alan
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    baz2009 wrote: »
    BTW, he never said that a particular camera saw it.


    Yes he did.
    Evra wrote:
    The cameras are there.You can see him say a certain word to me at least 10 times.


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  • #31
    Melion
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 10,259 ✭✭✭✭Melion


    #15 wrote: »
    Despite not wanting to start a Liverpool-United debate, you decide to ask if a United player can be banned for making an allegation against a Liverpool player?

    Anyway, before this thread gets going, you would need to check if some people can understand the difference between a false claim and insufficient evidence.

    Otherwise you will have a load of people advocating bans for Evra in the event of an ''inconclusive'' judgement.
    And that wouldn't help answer your question at all.

    I would be fully behind a lengthy ban for Suarez if this turns out to be true. This isnt now and was never intended to be a United-Bashing thread.


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