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Captain Chaos · 05-10-2011 11:45am

whiterebel wrote: »

And that's the bottom line. Do people honestly think Apple are going to try to keep up with a new Android-phone launch every couple of weeks, with their one a year schedule? FFS, I've never seen so much hand-wringing and whingeing over a phone before, especially as a lot seem to know more about Androids than iphones, or of course the usual suspects who don't have an iPhone at all.;)

That's the thing. Apple are competing with multiple manufactures every 12-18 months. They have to content with Samsung, HTC, LG and Sony all of which just for the Android OS. Then WP7 is gathering speed again with Samsung, HTC and LG being the main guns.

Sure the A5 chip used in the iP4S and iPad2 was designed by Samsung and Apple are dragging them through the courts around the world. If Apple were left on their own to make their own hardware and software they would be no where on the market today.

All the Android and WP7 manufacturers can cater for low, medium and high end of the smart phone market at the same time where as Apple have only one product and let last years model drop down the scale. This time though Apple have no high end option which they had with the 3GS and 4 for about a year before it was outclassed.

It's time for Apple to take a back seat this round and they should reflect that with their prices but they don't have to because it has an Apple badge on it and charge a premium for it and that's all Apple's business model is all about.

whiterebel · 05-10-2011 11:47am

Captain Chaos wrote: »

That's the thing. Apple are competing with multiple manufactures every 12-18 months. They have to content with Samsung, HTC, LG and Sony all of which just for the Android OS. Then WP7 is gathering speed again with Samsung, HTC and LG being the main guns.

Sure the A5 chip used in the iP4S and iPad2 was designed by Samsung and Apple are dragging them through the courts around the world. If Apple were left on their own to make their own hardware and software they would be no where on the market today.

All the Android and WP7 manufacturers can cater for low, medium and high end of the smart phone market at the same time where as Apple have only one product and let last years model drop down the scale. This time though Apple have no high end option which they had with the 3GS and 4 for about a year before it was outclassed.

It's time for Apple to take a back seat this round and they should reflect that with their prices but they don't have to because it has an Apple badge on it and charge a premium for it and that's all Apple's business model is all about.

And with that, its time to stop reading......:rolleyes:

Captain Chaos · 05-10-2011 11:49am

whiterebel wrote: »

And with that, its time to stop reading......:rolleyes:

Ok, then prove me wrong. Show me just one Apple product that has all Apple stuff in it, hardware and software wise. Answer none, like every other manufacture, they all need each other. Apple even admitted that if their relations break down with Samsung and they can no longer source the A5 chips, just one example, they can make and design their own chip sets but they will be no where near the performance of the Samsung design.

Sad Professor · 05-10-2011 11:51am

fox007 wrote: »

Feckless Rogue wrote: »

fox007 wrote: »

Wait till the new apple store opens in November in Dublin!!!

Hunh?! Please elaborate!

Their is an apple store been buit as we speak in Arnots Dublin it will open mid-end November! Go into Arnots have a look for your self!!

It's need in Dublin just a pity it wasn't open for the launch of the 4s tho

That's not an official Apple Store. It's an Arnotts store that will sell Apple gear.

whiterebel · 05-10-2011 11:54am

Captain Chaos wrote: »

Ok, then prove me wrong. Show me just one Apple product that has all Apple stuff in it, hardware and software wise. Answer none, like every other manufacture, they all need each other.

Seriously fella, if you believe that, I'm not going to waste my time trying to convince you. Maybe you should apply for the CEO job of the 1st/2nd most valuable company in the world - you could point out where it has all gone wrong.:rolleyes:

Captain Chaos · 05-10-2011 11:58am

whiterebel wrote: »

Seriously fella, if you believe that, I'm not going to waste my time trying to convince you. Maybe you should apply for the CEO job of the 1st/2nd most valuable company in the world - you could point out where it has all gone wrong.:rolleyes:

Never said it's gone wrong. Just showing why people expecting Apple to be on top all the time is unrealistic. They very did well and still are. They are the only player on their team, the only iOS show in town. They are up against 4 top dogs lashing out new models every few months on an opposing platform. Of course they are going to slip from time to time spec wise. They are still going to ship a crap load of product regardless as there is a market for Apple unless they making something that is a complete disaster.

Clearly took offence and didn't read the reason in the rest of my post. I currently have 2 iPhone and 3 Android models and know who makes what in each of them.

Rick Deckard · 05-10-2011 11:58am

Sad Professor wrote: »

That's not an official Apple Store. It's an Arnotts store that will sell Apple gear.

Dont mean to sound pedantic, but whats the difference?
Do official Apple stores get product first, and then faster re-supply on an onging basis? Cheaper prices?
There's a compuB store in Pavillions Swords, was wondering what the main difference is, bar ownership, obviously

whiterebel · 05-10-2011 12:16pm

Captain Chaos wrote: »

Never said it's gone wrong. Just showing why people expecting Apple to be on top all the time is unrealistic. They very did well and still are. They are the only player on their team, the only iOS show in town. They are up against 4 top dogs lashing out new models every few months on an opposing platform. Of course they are going to slip from time to time spec wise. They are still going to ship a crap load of product regardless as there is a market for Apple unless they making something that is a complete disaster.

Clearly took offence and didn't read the reason in the rest of my post. I currently have 2 iPhone and 3 Android models and know who makes what in each of them.

Just a final point, because its not the first time that it has been said that it is a Samsung designed chip. The A5 chip is designed by Apple, and manufactured by Samsung - a world of difference. They are already looking at giving over the manufacture of this chip to TSMC for the next run. Apple would never box themselves so badly into a corner relying on Samsung for all their parts. The likes of screens now are being sourced elsewhere for computers iPads and everything else.

Fat_Fingers · 05-10-2011 12:18pm

Darksaga87 wrote: »

Why? Its much better than a 3gs... And a bit better than a 4.

Yes, i agree and you are 100% right. It’s only my personal disappointment after waiting soo long.

I think there is nothing there, same old tired design , same old small screen. To me it’s expensive for what it is. Personally i don’t actually do anything with it anymore apart from calls, Ipad2 has taken over from my phone all my portable needs.

Kashkai · 05-10-2011 12:20pm

I've an iphone 3G which has served me very well for 2 1/2 years but I had my money ready and waiting to upgrade to the '5' (the 3GS was just a cosmetic improvement on the 3G and the 4's antennae problems and reported bugs put me off buying one of them). My money is put away now.

Apple have really dropped the ball on this one and have given their competitors a chance to catch up and overtake them. Most people I know used to be iphone users but slowly but surely Android phones have been replacing the iphones in their pockets. This "major announcement" of the 4S will only speed up the change to Android.

Its just a bloody phone but I feel pretty let down by this. My poor old 3G will just have to soldier on.

poker--addict · 05-10-2011 12:22pm

Also disappointed. Will invest in an android for a while my 3gs is on its death bed. Refuse to get a 4gs out of principal now:D

Rick Deckard · 05-10-2011 12:23pm

Prosperous Dave wrote: »

My poor old 3G will just have to soldier on.

According to a post i read, ios5 GM works far better on the 3GS than ios4, so that might soften the blow till the 5 comes out next year.

Gumbo · 05-10-2011 12:25pm

Rick Deckard wrote: »

Dont mean to sound pedantic, but whats the difference?
Do official Apple stores get product first, and then faster re-supply on an onging basis? Cheaper prices?
There's a compuB store in Pavillions Swords, was wondering what the main difference is, bar ownership, obviously

they are just an apple retailer.
they dont supply the iPhone etc

in the same way that Harvey Norman are an apple retailer also.

Linoge · 05-10-2011 1:23pm

eeloe wrote: »

The standby battery life is 33.3% WORSE than the iPhone 4, the specs are plain as day on the apple site, as it stands i'm a heavy user, and i barely get a full day out of my iPhone 4 as it is, i couldn't imagine what it's like getting 33.3% less already

Too much store can be put into standby time. Who has ever left their phone sitting on the bedsite table for 300 or even 200 hours??

Talk time is more important as that is a real drain on the battery. For comparison, if you talk for say 4 hours on a 4S you will have 50% battery remaining - 100 hours standby. The equivalent remaining on a 4 would be about 128 hours then. Thats a decent close on the gap. Most of us will not talk for so long every day, but its just an example how standby is not all that.

Another trade off is the faster speed. If you can do everything a little bit faster, pages load faster etc. then you will be using your phone less for the same tasks as before.

For anyone using Bluetooth - BT 4.0 will mean less power consumed than previous versions (should you have a compatable car kit).

These together, along with the fact that you never usually leave your phone for 12 or 8 days without charging will mean that you prob will never notice the difference.

mad muffin · 05-10-2011 1:43pm

To those that got the iPhone 4 in Ireland on it's release day, could you preorder or had to get it on release day?

poker--addict · 05-10-2011 1:46pm

Linoge wrote: »

Another trade off is the faster speed. If you can do everything a little bit faster, pages load faster etc. then you will be using your phone less for the same tasks as before..

Let me guess your a salesman??

In most cases I think you will use your phone for the same time and battery will last the same time, just you will get to see more webpages

Johnmb · 05-10-2011 1:47pm

Captain Chaos wrote: »

Sure the A5 chip used in the iP4S and iPad2 was designed by Samsung

You need to recheck your facts. The A4, and the A5, were designed by Apple. They contracted Samsung to manufacture them. That's why there are no A4 or A5 chips in any non-Apple devices. They have contracted someone else to build the A6, and there have been rumours that the new contractor may also start building the A5 as Apple become fed up with Samsung copying them.

Darksaga87 · 05-10-2011 1:49pm

kceire wrote: »

i got 2 (HTC Wildfire's) androids from Meteor 6 months ago and they were locked to Meteor.

Must only be a recent thing, i bought a HTC desire about 18 months ago and it wasnt locked.

waynegalway · 05-10-2011 1:52pm

Question for anyone that has iOS5 on their iPhone already:

Is a "version" of siri included in the software?

I can imagine that for some of the higher end stuff siri can do, that the A5 chip is probably a pre-requisite, but surely the A4 in the IP4 could do some of the basics like dictating a text message?

I upgraded almost a year ago from the 3GS and that was a big leap. I don't see the 4S as being such a big leap, so I don't think I'll be upgrading at this stage......BUT the siri stuff does look very cool and it would be great to get something like that running on the IP4

Professey Chin · 05-10-2011 2:00pm

Darksaga87 wrote: »

Must only be a recent thing, i bought a HTC desire about 18 months ago and it wasnt locked.

Its usually the 1st couple batches are unlocked. Once their branded firmware is ready to be pre-loaded they get locked

Professey Chin · 05-10-2011 2:03pm

Johnmb wrote: »

You need to recheck your facts. The A4, and the A5, were designed by Apple. They contracted Samsung to manufacture them. That's why there are no A4 or A5 chips in any non-Apple devices. They have contracted someone else to build the A6, and there have been rumours that the new contractor may also start building the A5 as Apple become fed up with Samsung copying them.

Copying so much that apple have to change things around on court submissions to make it look that way. (Such as showing a menu screen to be the same as the ios home screen even though the icon grid as an app list has been around for years)

Atilathehun · 05-10-2011 2:05pm

Did that guy Cooke, make any reference to improvements to the dropped call situation pertaining to the 4 model in particular? Afterall it's supposed to be a phone first and foremost, and a box of tricks secondly. In fact the 4 is a wonderful box of tricks, but a poor to almost middeling phone:(

Johnmb · 05-10-2011 2:07pm

Atilathehun wrote: »

Did that guy Cooke, make any reference to improvements to the dropped call situation pertaining to the 4 model in particular? Afterall it's supposed to be a phone first and foremost, and a box of tricks secondly. In fact the 4 is a wonderful box of tricks, but a poor to almost middeling phone:(

It's supposed to be the first phone in the world that can switch between antennae for both sending and receiving information. That will stop any dropped calls (although I never noticed any such problems with my iPhone 4).

Heisenberg1 · 05-10-2011 2:20pm

mad muffin wrote: »

To those that got the iPhone 4 in Ireland on it's release day, could you preorder or had to get it on release day?

I got mine of O2 on release day but i needed to be eligible for an upgrade as it

was only available for those who had an upgrade. It was not made available

from O2 to new customers for couple of months after release.

Dades · 05-10-2011 3:42pm

mad muffin wrote: »

To those that got the iPhone 4 in Ireland on it's release day, could you preorder or had to get it on release day?

Pre-ordered the day before release with Vodafone just by calling into my local shop.

Unlike with O2 I wasn't an existing customer.

mad muffin · 05-10-2011 4:04pm

Thanks guys.

Sorry I was thinking more in terms of pre orders from Apple sim free.

ftm2008 · 05-10-2011 4:17pm

waynegalway wrote: »

Question for anyone that has iOS5 on their iPhone already:

Is a "version" of siri included in the software?

I can imagine that for some of the higher end stuff siri can do, that the A5 chip is probably a pre-requisite, but surely the A4 in the IP4 could do some of the basics like dictating a text message?

I upgraded almost a year ago from the 3GS and that was a big leap. I don't see the 4S as being such a big leap, so I don't think I'll be upgrading at this stage......BUT the siri stuff does look very cool and it would be great to get something like that running on the IP4

Siri is only available on the 4S ,, im sure it would be capable as it is only software and isn't the processing done on the server side but the same i think was done when moving from 3G to 3GS with voice control

does it search the internet?? ,, my thinking is they designed Siri to search wolfram alpha and wiki cos .. well would they want to use it to search google and Bing aka MS
how many have used wolfram alpha since its inception.. seems a bit gimmicky on that end

MrThrifty · 05-10-2011 4:17pm

Very disappointing that Apple are only releasing a 4S. However, I reckon (and maybe I'm crazy here) that they opted for this because of time constraints and commercial pressure, and that the 5 will be released sooner than people think.

ftm2008 · 05-10-2011 4:37pm

The 4 was released last June I think that’s what 16 months,, that’s not much of a time constraint,, If it was nearly ready then why would they not wait a few months,, who knows why they took this long ,, mfg issues ,, software issues

It is usually a year before they will bring out another phone so it looks like Oct 2012,, if they do it in June they this could p**s off a lot of people who bought the 4S..i reckon your crazy

Zonda999 · 05-10-2011 4:44pm

I reckon the issue was that apple didnt expect the competition to progress so much in the time since the iphone was unveiled, no wonder they're suing samsung and what not..

What question this whole thing does raise though, is when the next iphone incarnation will be unveiled, will it be 1 year from now, or will it revert back to a June unveiling? As far as i can see, the only real new thing in the 4S is the dual core chip. More storage and the better specc'ed camera are nothing that couldn't have been done in June 2010. Put it this way, i can see the hype from this event will be gone very soon, the average person on the street will notice no difference in their iphone, and IMO, image is a big part of iphone ownership.

All the hype in the next few months will probably be about Android 4.0 and Google's next Nexus phone, as well as the Galaxy S3 which will probably be unveiled in February, at the latest.

mad muffin · 05-10-2011 4:50pm

I always said that the delay was probably due to ios 5 or siri not being ready in time.

What I don't understand is all the hubbub because they stuck to the same design and screen size.

The A5 with its PwerVr543MP2 gpu is still the fastet SOC out there faster that the SGII even.

I think the 4S is going to be a superb smart phone.

Paddy@CIRL · 05-10-2011 4:51pm

Anyone have an idea for when Apple Ireland will be taking pre-orders for the 4S ?

Gumbo · 05-10-2011 4:56pm

Paddy@CIRL wrote: »

Anyone have an idea for when Apple Ireland will be taking pre-orders for the 4S ?

Pre order from 7th Oct for availability on the 14th Oct.

mad muffin · 05-10-2011 4:57pm

kceire wrote: »

Pre order from 7th Oct for availability on the 14th Oct.

That's not for Ireland though.

whiterebel · 05-10-2011 4:58pm

Zonda999 wrote: »

I reckon the issue was that apple didnt expect the competition to progress so much in the time since the iphone was unveiled, no wonder they're suing samsung and what not..

What question this whole thing does raise though, is when the next iphone incarnation will be unveiled, will it be 1 year from now, or will it revert back to a June unveiling? As far as i can see, the only real new thing in the 4S is the dual core chip. More storage and the better specc'ed camera are nothing that couldn't have been done in June 2010. Put it this way, i can see the hype from this event will be gone very soon, the average person on the street will notice no difference in their iphone, and IMO, image is a big part of iphone ownership.

All the hype in the next few months will probably be about Android 4.0 and Google's next Nexus phone, as well as the Galaxy S3 which will probably be unveiled in February, at the latest.

They would need to be unbelievably thick If they didn't expect the other big hitters to improve dramatically when Apple are only going to refresh every 12/16 months. Part of the problem is there is nowhere to go.....
bigger screen? No thanks, more than half way to a tablet, if you look at some of those big screen Androids.
Thinner? So it can snap in my pocket? I think not.
Bigger MP in the camera....does it really need 8MP? 5MP was plenty for me.
Do I care which processor is in the HTC/Blackberry/LG/Sony? No, as long as mine is quick.
The iPhone 4 does me as it is. I can browse when I need to, answer emails, sync with my Macs, use it for presentations. As far as I'm concerned better battery life would do me just dandy.

Zonda999 · 05-10-2011 4:58pm

mad muffin wrote: »

I always said that the delay was probably due to ios 5 or siri not being ready in time.

What I don't understand is all the hubbub because they stuck to the same design and screen size.

The A5 with its PwerVr543MP2 gpu is still the fastet SOC out there faster that the SGII even.

I think the 4S is going to be a superb smart phone.

Thats fair enough, and no doubt the performance will be much improved, but what percentage of irish iphone users know what a CPU or GPU even is?

I just think that theres little in iphone 4s that will make the average iphone 4 user, who knows diddly squat about anything technical, to make them sit up and think, "i want one".

Captain Chaos · 05-10-2011 5:00pm

mad muffin wrote: »

The A5 with its PwerVr543MP2 gpu is still the fastet SOC out there faster that the SGII even.

It's only faster in GPU performance, which is graphics performance for gaming, which is why they show cased the gaming in the show. It will unload the CPU letting it take care of other tasks. The CPU of the SG2 or Sensation is still faster which is for day to day performance in all tasks. There is an even faster SG2 out in a week or so. No one has mentioned the RAM either so I'd assume it's still the same as the 4.

The iPhone is not about gaming really at all, why bother stuffing a kick ass GPU in there. It's more CPU speed and RAM that you want from a smart phone imo.

Battery life is the big kicker in todays phones, if you are going to leave things as it, at least try to improve the battery. Only further advancement in battery technology can do that and that's where out sourcing R&D comes in. At least all other manufactures let to change bats, Apple, no way. It would be nice to be able to take a spare from your wallet and slap it in when you run low like you can with any other phone out there.

Gumbo · 05-10-2011 5:04pm

mad muffin wrote: »

That's not for Ireland though.

sorry, yeah i was going by the email i got from Apple, but looking at it again, its for the UK!

Any idea when the Eire release is?

Zonda999 · 05-10-2011 5:07pm

whiterebel wrote: »

They would need to be unbelievably thick If they didn't expect the other big hitters to improve dramatically when Apple are only going to refresh every 12/16 months. Part of the problem is there is nowhere to go.....
bigger screen? No thanks, more than half way to a tablet, if you look at some of those big screen Androids.
Thinner? So it can snap in my pocket? I think not.
Bigger MP in the camera....does it really need 8MP? 5MP was plenty for me.
Do I care which processor is in the HTC/Blackberry/LG/Sony? No, as long as mine is quick.
The iPhone 4 does me as it is. I can browse when I need to, answer emails, sync with my Macs, use it for presentations. As far as I'm concerned better battery life would do me just dandy.

All completely valid points, and maybe apple's plan all along was just to have new iphone form factors every 24 months or so, but i think most people like a change from time to time, surely everyone gets tired of any device's look and feel after some amount of time, and they fancy something new to look at, no matter how good the device actually is? I know I'm like this and wouldnt mind a change from my 12 month old Galaxy S, if it werent for the cost..

mad muffin · 05-10-2011 5:10pm

kceire wrote: »

sorry, yeah i was going by the email i got from Apple, but looking at it again, its for the UK!

Any idea when the Eire release is?

28th of October, no mention of pre orders though.

antodeco · 05-10-2011 5:11pm

I'm looking forward to getting my hands on the 4S. I'm using Gingerbread on my HTC, and Mango on my WinMo. I was using a 4 for a while, but that was a year ago. Id like to see how quick it really is.

On a seperate note, Apple are geniuses. Someone has a 4, your friend has a 4S. You will hate your phone and want to get the S. Afterall, 70% of the iPhone is all about image.

whiterebel · 05-10-2011 5:16pm

Zonda999 wrote: »

All completely valid points, and maybe apple's plan all along was just to have new iphone form factors every 24 months or so, but i think most people like a change from time to time, surely everyone gets tired of any device's look and feel after some amount of time, and they fancy something new to look at, no matter how good the device actually is? I know I'm like this and wouldnt mind a change from my 12 month old Galaxy S, if it werent for the cost..

I was like that, but I was always looking for the perfect phone, and because there was such limited capacity to sync with Macs, I either had to buy software or have a half job of it, or whatever. The iPhone 3G, then the 4 mean I really don't care about the next phone for the first time I can remember. It would need something to blow my socks off, and I really wonder can that happen with phones for much longer.

murpho999 · 05-10-2011 6:10pm

I am amazed at how much hatred there is by android people for Apple phones.
If you don't like them, fine, don't buy them but please stop thinking you are superior, they are only phones ffs not statements of intelligence.

I can also understand that people may be let down by yesterday's announcement but I still don't get how the 4s is a bad phone or now behind the Android.

Most iPhone 5 predictions predicted the same tech specs as what the 4s has except for screen size and new form factor, so how can it now be an outdated phone?

Also, most people should realise that the vast majority of iPhone buyers have no idea about the power of the chips inside the phone or who manufactures them so there is no way that this phone is going to fail, just no way. It will sell in its millions.

I'm a 3GS user, and I love iOS, think it's much better than Android so if I go for this it will be a nice upgrade.

Think its wise to stick to 2 model cycles rather than yearly, as the 2nd year seems to be incremental now (Cook seems to like 'S' in model names) followed by a total revision.

Mister Dread · 05-10-2011 6:48pm

3.5 inch screens are too small. You need to use a bigger screen to find that out.

tigershould · 05-10-2011 6:50pm

I certainly don't want to pay €400 (altho it was €200 with upgrade) every year for a 'new design' - I'm happy to wait for two years or longer.

It kinda reminds me of PCs - they're always getting faster and faster, more and more harddisk space - but you only need the extra processing power for the software that runs on the PC - the form factor design didn't make any difference except to look pretty on your desk.

Ask yourself why you want a new phone?

Is it because:
a- you want something prettier?
b- you need more processing power?
c- you want a better camera?
d- you want a better OS?
e- you need particular software?
f - bigger screen?

It seems to me most haters on the thread want something more pretty - aww that's cute, buy a new pink cover :-)

Or they have a size complex and need to make up for it with a bigger screen

murpho999 · 05-10-2011 6:50pm

Mister Dread wrote: »

3.5 inch screens are too small. You need to use a bigger screen to find that out.

Still doesn't make the iPhone a bad phone.

Captain Chaos · 05-10-2011 6:54pm

murpho999 wrote: »

Still doesn't make the iPhone a bad phone.

No one really ever said it's bad, it's just starting to age and look dated to the new kids. Even a move up to a 3.7" on the same frame would be a big difference despite looking insignificant on paper as a pure spec. Apple just seem to be afraid to break the mold and play it safe for too long before moving on a step.

murpho999 · 05-10-2011 7:47pm

Captain Chaos wrote: »

No one really ever said it's bad, it's just starting to age and look dated to the new kids. Even a move up to a 3.7" on the same frame would be a big difference despite looking insignificant on paper as a pure spec. Apple just seem to be afraid to break the mold and play it safe for too long before moving on a step.

Again, it's the screen size.

That cannot be everything. The spec is still very strong.

Also, I think Apple's market is not only the new kids, my father who is 69 has an iPhone 4.

I think however the intention was to bring a 5 to the market this year with larger screen but something went wrong and they reverted to 4S.

Anyhow, they have now guaranteed themselves another year of hype with the next years 5......so it's not that bad for them.

Green Mile · 05-10-2011 7:47pm

I've about 14gb of space with mu music and photos alone. I want to put it onto my new iPhone4s when I get it. I'll easily hit the 16gb max with apps and messages etc.

Should I get the larger iPhone or should I go with the 16gb as my pictures will be on the iCloud?

With the iCloud, I shouldn't worry about space right?

Sad Professor · 05-10-2011 7:53pm

Green Mile wrote: »

Should I get the larger iPhone or should I go with the 16gb as my pictures will be on the iCloud?

With the iCloud, I shouldn't worry about space right?

You should read up on iCloud. It doesn't work the way many people think. It syncs certain data between a user's different iOS devices. It is not a substitute for local storage.

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