The "Che phenomenon"

AnamGlas · 11-09-2011 08:42PM

cookies221 wrote: »

Difference between self defence oppression (Israelis) and violent agression trying to reclaim their own land (Arabs)

FYP

EDIT: "Sure don't ya have to love your man Che, wasn't his grandmother Irish"

FinnLizzy · 11-09-2011 08:43PM

My dad got me a Che towl. And he helped canvass for a local socialist politician (who was Mayor of Sligo) in the last general election.

Adults have can have the same left wing attitudes and blend into mainstream irish society. You don't have to be a bearded Trinner to be against the actions of the IDF.

I'm not a textbook liberal, but I admire someone who genuinely believes in a cause without resorting to a stereotype.

J. Marston · 11-09-2011 08:44PM

That looks and reads like it was copy and pasted from some shítty blog.

4leto · 11-09-2011 08:45PM

cookies221 wrote: »

Teenagers like to rebel or to reject the status quo. It gives them a sense of power and independence to hold opposing views to their parents. They often adopt (what they perceive as) radical left wing views and wear PLO scarves or Che Guevara tshirts to pronounce their political ideology to the world, without really having a clue of the issues involved. In other words, they do it because they think it's cool. They will attend anti-America and anti-Israeli marches, and then go home to post on Facebook about how radical they are and give themselves a pat on the back. The more dedicated may read Karl Marx and dabble in Islam.

Most children grow out of this phase when they realise it's time to cut the ridiculous ponytail, shave the bum fluff goatee, and get a job to pay the bills. The put on a suit and join the capitalist workforce that they denounced as evil a few years earlier. Oh the irony.

Sadly, some poor individuals never grow out of this adolescent mindset and fail to ever grasp a mature understanding of the world or its politics. They remain unemployable for life and so sit at home all day, posting long hate filled diatribes on internet forums, under the delusion that people are listening to them. Take the politics forum on this site for example. There are at least five Israel/Palestine threads on the first page. Let me remind you that this is an Irish site. We have zero historical ties to Palestine. Most Palestinians have never even heard of Ireland. Why not the same obsession with China/Tibet? Or Russia/Chechnya?

My question is: what makes a white, middle class, Trinity student in Ireland think that they can save the world? Remember when Irish student Kate O'Sullivan made an embarassing attempt to perform a citizen's arrest on Tony Blair at his book signing in Dublin last year? Cringe. Blair just rolled his eyes and made a nod towards security to chuck her out on the street with the other loonies. Only in Ireland. She will remain unemployable for life. I wouldn't expect any other diplmats to bother visiting Ireland again.

They can feed into public opinion, it probably wont change the world, but it sets a moral bar that does change the world.

The power of opinion and the internet was seen in the Arab spring of last year so it does clearly have an effect.

The Irish do seem to identify with the Palestinians for no other reason that in a very minor way they feel they reflect our historical situation with the British.

Incidentally, I don't, I would regard myself in the Israeli camp, but that just me and my freely given opinion.

The Saint · 11-09-2011 08:47PM

cookies221 wrote: »

Ah, anyone who holds a different opinion to you is a troll. That accusation can get you banned from boards according to the charter. I presume you are under 21?

No, your posts indicate that you are one. I wasn't the one banned for accusing people of being racists.

And no, I'm not 21, and I wouldn't go off assuming anything about me.

saywhatyousee · 11-09-2011 08:47PM

cookies221 wrote: »

Ah, anyone who holds a different opinion to you is a troll. That accusation can get you banned from boards according to the charter. I presume you are under 21?

When about 80% of your posts are about the same topic it is reasonable to assume you have some sort of agenda.

Teutorix · 11-09-2011 08:48PM

Oh god, that post was god awful OP, i have never read such rubbish. I never had a "rebel phase" in the way you describe, I never had a ponytail (did have longish hair though, and still do) or a fluff beard (intentionally). And i bought my first suit because it looks boss, not because i grew up.

JONJO THE MISER · 11-09-2011 08:49PM

cookies221 wrote: »

They remain unemployable for life and so sit at home all day, posting long hate filled diatribes on internet forums

That sentence had me in stitches.

Eric Cartman · 11-09-2011 08:49PM

My name is URL wrote: »

Don't you routinely defend the violence dished out by Israeli forces?

cookies221 wrote: »

Difference between self defence (Israelis) and violent agression (Arabs)

ok, op is nuts, im out of here , agreed with his first post, but not this anti islam zionist extremism

laoch na mona · 11-09-2011 08:50PM

I have a che t shirt because the man did so much good
we really have to learn to celebrate true revolutionary who want to help people
most would use violence as a last resort (like the 1916 rising and the war of independence )

Kevin Duffy · 11-09-2011 08:51PM

cookies221 wrote: »

Ah, anyone who holds a different opinion to you is a troll. That accusation can get you banned from boards according to the charter. I presume you are under 21?

If your opions are valid and you can support them, why resort to this shít? A fairly pathetic tactic.

Teutorix · 11-09-2011 08:52PM

laoch na mona wrote: »

I have a che t shirt because the man did so much good
we really have to learn to celebrate true revolutionary who want to help people
most would use violence as a last resort (like the 1916 rising and the war of independence )

Supporting a communist rebel by indulging in unadulterated consumerism and buying t-shirts with his image printed on them by large corporations to make a few bucks.

KeithAFC · 11-09-2011 08:55PM

The biggest of myths surround this man.

cookies221 · 11-09-2011 08:56PM

saywhatyousee wrote: »

When about 80% of your posts are about the same topic it is reasonable to assume you have some sort of agenda.

Yeah there is a Zionist world conspiracy, Jews control the world, we all have an agenda etc etc

Conspiracy theory forum is that way

>

Jaafa · 11-09-2011 08:59PM

cookies221 wrote: »

Yeah there is a Zionist world conspiracy, Jews control the world, we all have an agenda etc etc

Conspiracy theory forum is that way
>

Because clearly he mentioned both Zionist and Jews in that post.

The Saint · 11-09-2011 09:02PM

cookies221 wrote: »

Ah, anyone who holds a different opinion to you is a troll. That accusation can get you banned from boards according to the charter. I presume you are under 21?

Since you believe that you have an extensive knowledge of international and worldly affairs why don't you give us a rundown of where this expansive wisdom that you profess originates from for us mere ignorant plebs.

saywhatyousee · 11-09-2011 09:04PM

cookies221 wrote: »

Yeah there is a Zionist world conspiracy, Jews control the world, we all have an agenda etc etc

Conspiracy theory forum is that way
>

Nice.....back to the oul tactic of trying to defame anyone who does not agree with you.Take a nice long look through my previous post history i know nothing about Zionism have never mentioned it before.To quote charlie sheen I must be
"winning" if you have to resort to that.

Siuin · 11-09-2011 09:07PM

cookies221 wrote: »

Teenagers like to rebel or to reject the status quo. It gives them a sense of power and independence to hold opposing views to their parents. They often adopt (what they perceive as) radical left wing views and wear PLO scarves or Che Guevara tshirts to pronounce their political ideology to the world, without really having a clue of the issues involved. In other words, they do it because they think it's cool. They will attend anti-America and anti-Israeli marches, and then go home to post on Facebook about how radical they are and give themselves a pat on the back. The more dedicated may read Karl Marx and dabble in Islam.

Most children grow out of this phase when they realise it's time to cut the ridiculous ponytail, shave the bum fluff goatee, and get a job to pay the bills. The put on a suit and join the capitalist workforce that they denounced as evil a few years earlier. Oh the irony.

Sadly, some poor individuals never grow out of this adolescent mindset and fail to ever grasp a mature understanding of the world or its politics. They remain unemployable for life and so sit at home all day, posting long hate filled diatribes on internet forums, under the delusion that people are listening to them. Take the politics forum on this site for example. There are at least five Israel/Palestine threads on the first page. Let me remind you that this is an Irish site. We have zero historical ties to Palestine. Most Palestinians have never even heard of Ireland. Why not the same obsession with China/Tibet? Or Russia/Chechnya?

My question is: what makes a white, middle class, Trinity student in Ireland think that they can save the world? Remember when Irish student Kate O'Sullivan made an embarassing attempt to perform a citizen's arrest on Tony Blair at his book signing in Dublin last year? Cringe. Blair just rolled his eyes and made a nod towards security to chuck her out on the street with the other loonies. Only in Ireland. She will remain unemployable for life. I wouldn't expect any other diplmats to bother visiting Ireland again.

Excellent post. I see these kinds of people all the time, and I'm sick of it. Same BS all the time- in college there seems to be a checklist of who you have to hate in order to get into the Socialist Worker's Party, and after sitting through one of their (painfully pathetic) meetings to see what exactly they talk about, seems they were just a bunch of spoilt kids trying desperately to find something exciting to get irate about in their dull middle class lives.

GodlessInfidel wrote: »

teenagers dabbling in islam??

where is it you actually live?

This happens quite often, actually- the left wingers in my college have Muslim speakers and their sympathisers come in quite frequently, and even on last week's fresher's week when everyone was signing up for clubs and societies, their stalls were practically on top of eachother and they were very buddy-buddy. Pretty ironic how they claim to be fighting against 'The System' and then take a fondness for one of the most restrictive and oppressive religions out there.

Fromthetrees · 11-09-2011 09:08PM

cookies221 wrote: »

Teenagers like to rebel or to reject the status quo. It gives them a sense of power and independence to hold opposing views to their parents. They often adopt (what they perceive as) radical left wing views and wear PLO scarves or Che Guevara tshirts to pronounce their political ideology to the world, without really having a clue of the issues involved. In other words, they do it because they think it's cool. They will attend anti-America and anti-Israeli marches, and then go home to post on Facebook about how radical they are and give themselves a pat on the back. The more dedicated may read Karl Marx and dabble in Islam.

Most children grow out of this phase when they realise it's time to cut the ridiculous ponytail, shave the bum fluff goatee, and get a job to pay the bills. The put on a suit and join the capitalist workforce that they denounced as evil a few years earlier. Oh the irony.

Sadly, some poor individuals never grow out of this adolescent mindset and fail to ever grasp a mature understanding of the world or its politics. They remain unemployable for life and so sit at home all day, posting long hate filled diatribes on internet forums, under the delusion that people are listening to them. Take the politics forum on this site for example. There are at least five Israel/Palestine threads on the first page. Let me remind you that this is an Irish site. We have zero historical ties to Palestine. Most Palestinians have never even heard of Ireland. Why not the same obsession with China/Tibet? Or Russia/Chechnya?

My question is: what makes a white, middle class, Trinity student in Ireland think that they can save the world? Remember when Irish student Kate O'Sullivan made an embarassing attempt to perform a citizen's arrest on Tony Blair at his book signing in Dublin last year? Cringe. Blair just rolled his eyes and made a nod towards security to chuck her out on the street with the other loonies. Only in Ireland. She will remain unemployable for life. I wouldn't expect any other diplmats to bother visiting Ireland again.

I don't think you understand what you're actually trying to say OP. The picture of this 'person' you have just painted is of someone who has attended college, probably gotten a degree but remains unemployable why?, because they have a left leaning political outlook and disagree with say Americas wars and feel that something should be done to bring about peace between Israel and Palestine or that they wear a shirt or hat with Che on it, it just doesn't make sense to me, I just can't see a real comparison between work ethic and the personal beliefs you've outlined.

cookies221 · 11-09-2011 09:09PM

saywhatyousee wrote: »

Nice.....back to the oul tactic of trying to defame anyone who does not agree with you.Take a nice long look through my previous post history i know nothing about Zionism have never mentioned it before.To quote charlie sheen I must be
"winning" if you have to resort to that.

1. I don't have time to go through your 900+ past posts. I have better things to be doing.

2. Politics isn't like supporting a football team. There are no "sides" and nobody is "winning". That's what I mean by an immature grasp of world affiars. Every Israeli death is like a score in the back of the net for "your side." When you decide to come up out of your trench, maybe we can engage in peaceful and mature discourse about Arab-Israeli relations.

laoch na mona · 11-09-2011 09:15PM

cookies221 wrote: »

2. Politics isn't like supporting a football team. There are no "sides" and nobody is "winning". That's what I mean by an immature grasp of world affiars. Every Israeli death is like a score in the back of the net for "your side." When you decide to come up out of your trench, maybe we can engage in peaceful and mature discourse about Arab-Israeli relations.

when did he say he wanted Israeli's to die? Please have a quote to back up claims like that

Nodin · 11-09-2011 09:16PM

cookies221 wrote: »

...........Take the politics forum on this site for example.There are at least five Israel/Palestine threads on the first page.
..........................

Amazing how you can see that, seeing as you're banned from said forum at the mo.

Was that OP a competition to see how many stereotypes you could squeeze in so many words...?

cookies221 wrote: »

Let me remind you that this is an Irish site. We have zero historical ties to Palestine. Most Palestinians have never even heard of Ireland. Why not the same obsession with China/Tibet? Or Russia/Chechnya?
.

No, just a few mass hallucinations here......
http://www.google.ie/#sclient=psy&hl=en&safe=off&source=hp&q=protests+at+china+olympics&pbx=1&oq=protests+at+china+olympics&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&gs_sm=e&gs_upl=6054l15143l0l15650l17l16l1l0l0l0l222l2232l3.7.5l15l0&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.&fp=83f4e3c259c4c64d&biw=1280&bih=876

cookies221 · 11-09-2011 09:17PM

laoch na mona wrote: »

when did he say he wanted Israeli's to die? Please have a quote to back up claims like that

I didn't claim that. I said Israeli deaths were a score for his side ie. the Palestinians

laoch na mona · 11-09-2011 09:20PM

Teutorix wrote: »

Supporting a communist rebel by indulging in unadulterated consumerism and buying t-shirts with his image printed on them by large corporations to make a few bucks.

Got it in penneys bringing down the capitalist designer orientated system one cheap t shirt at a time:P

na im not a communist so I dont mind if someone makes some money

Nodin · 11-09-2011 09:20PM

cookies221 wrote: »

Che was a murderer and terrorist, btw. Kids may as well be running around wearing tshirts with Bin Laden or Saddam Hussein on the front. Violence is NEVER the answer. Did Gandhi need violence to win independence for India? Did Martin Luther King need violence to win civil rights for negros? What did the IRA's campaign of terror achieve, besides dragging this country back on to the Neanderthal age?

"negros"?

How did the campaign in the north end up "dragging this country back on to the Neanderthal age"?

nowherefar · 11-09-2011 09:20PM

Fromthetrees wrote: »

The picture of this 'person' you have just painted is of someone who has attended college, probably gotten a degree but remains unemployable why?

Because an idiot with a degree is still an idiot.. :pac:

Teutorix · 11-09-2011 09:21PM

laoch na mona wrote: »

Got it in penneys bringing down the capitalist designer orientated system one cheap t shirt at a time:P

na im not a communist so I dont mind if someone makes some money

Pennys are operated by primark, at least buy irish you useless yoke!

laoch na mona · 11-09-2011 09:22PM

cookies221 wrote: »

I didn't claim that. I said Israeli deaths were a score for his side ie. the Palestinians

he probably doesn't define his political view on one issue most people dont

dlofnep · 11-09-2011 09:23PM

OP sounds mad. Haha.

Nodin · 11-09-2011 09:25PM

PK2008 wrote: »

OP needs a hug

....I think they needed a hug the day they didn't get into Trinity. Too late now, the scars are there forever.

The "Che phenomenon"

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