The "Che phenomenon"

cookies221

Teenagers like to rebel or to reject the status quo. It gives them a sense of power and independence to hold opposing views to their parents. They often adopt (what they perceive as) radical left wing views and wear PLO scarves or Che Guevara tshirts to pronounce their political ideology to the world, without really having a clue of the issues involved. In other words, they do it because they think it's cool. They will attend anti-America and anti-Israeli marches, and then go home to post on Facebook about how radical they are and give themselves a pat on the back. The more dedicated may read Karl Marx and dabble in Islam.

Most children grow out of this phase when they realise it's time to cut the ridiculous ponytail, shave the bum fluff goatee, and get a job to pay the bills. The put on a suit and join the capitalist workforce that they denounced as evil a few years earlier. Oh the irony.

Sadly, some poor individuals never grow out of this adolescent mindset and fail to ever grasp a mature understanding of the world or its politics. They remain unemployable for life and so sit at home all day, posting long hate filled diatribes on internet forums, under the delusion that people are listening to them. Take the politics forum on this site for example. There are at least five Israel/Palestine threads on the first page. Let me remind you that this is an Irish site. We have zero historical ties to Palestine. Most Palestinians have never even heard of Ireland. Why not the same obsession with China/Tibet? Or Russia/Chechnya?

My question is: what makes a white, middle class, Trinity student in Ireland think that they can save the world? Remember when Irish student Kate O'Sullivan made an embarassing attempt to perform a citizen's arrest on Tony Blair at his book signing in Dublin last year? Cringe. Blair just rolled his eyes and made a nod towards security to chuck her out on the street with the other loonies. Only in Ireland. She will remain unemployable for life. I wouldn't expect any other diplmats to bother visiting Ireland again.

You managed to fit an impressive amount of over-generalisations into 14 lines. Well done

krudler

but its so anti capitalist to wear mass produced tshirts bearing his face,sticking it to the man right there

phasers

My question is: what makes a white, middle class, Trinity student in Ireland think that they can save the world?

They're knobs

The Internet Explorer

cookies221 wrote: »

My question is: what makes a white, middle class, Trinity student in Ireland think that they can save the world?

:rolleyes:

The Saint

This will be a fun thread.

cookies221 wrote: »

PLO scarves

I wasn't aware that the PLO has the trademark for the Kifiah. Interesting.

Cianos

cookies221 wrote: »

Teenagers like to rebel or to reject the status quo. It gives them a sense of power and independence to hold opposing views to their parents. They often adopt (what they perceive as) radical left wing views and wear PLO scarves or Che Guevara tshirts to pronounce their political ideology to the world, without really having a clue of the issues involved. In other words, they do it because they think it's cool. They will attend anti-America and anti-Israeli marches, and then go home to post on Facebook about how radical they are and give themselves a pat on the back. The more dedicated may read Karl Marx and dabble in Islam.

Most children grow out of this phase when they realise it's time to cut the ridiculous ponytail, shave the bum fluff goatee, and get a job to pay the bills. The put on a suit and join the capitalist workforce that they denounced as evil a few years earlier. Oh the irony.

Sadly, some poor individuals never grow out of this adolescent mindset and fail to ever grasp a mature understanding of the world or its politics. They remain unemployable for life and so sit at home all day, posting long hate filled diatribes on internet forums, under the delusion that people are listening to them. Take the politics forum on this site for example. There are at least five Israel/Palestine threads on the first page. Let me remind you that this is an Irish site. We have zero historical ties to Palestine. Most Palestinians have never even heard of Ireland. Why not the same obsession with China/Tibet? Or Russia/Chechnya?

My question is: what makes a white, middle class, Trinity student in Ireland think that they can save the world? Remember when Irish student Kate O'Sullivan made an embarassing attempt to perform a citizen's arrest on Tony Blair at his book signing in Dublin last year? Cringe. Blair just rolled his eyes and made a nod towards security to chuck her out on the street with the other loonies. Only in Ireland. She will remain unemployable for life. I wouldn't expect any other diplmats to bother visiting Ireland again.

And what makes your views so relevant? Because you're older and more cynical?

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

cookies221 wrote: »

Teenagers like to rebel or to reject the status quo. It gives them a sense of power and independence to hold opposing views to their parents. They often adopt (what they perceive as) radical left wing views and wear PLO scarves or Che Guevara tshirts to pronounce their political ideology to the world, without really having a clue of the issues involved. In other words, they do it because they think it's cool. They will attend anti-America and anti-Israeli marches, and then go home to post on Facebook about how radical they are and give themselves a pat on the back. The more dedicated may read Karl Marx and dabble in Islam.

Most children grow out of this phase when they realise it's time to cut the ridiculous ponytail, shave the bum fluff goatee, and get a job to pay the bills. The put on a suit and join the capitalist workforce that they denounced as evil a few years earlier. Oh the irony.

Sadly, some poor individuals never grow out of this adolescent mindset and fail to ever grasp a mature understanding of the world or its politics. They remain unemployable for life and so sit at home all day, posting long hate filled diatribes on internet forums, under the delusion that people are listening to them. Take the politics forum on this site for example. There are at least five Israel/Palestine threads on the first page. Let me remind you that this is an Irish site. We have zero historical ties to Palestine. Most Palestinians have never even heard of Ireland. Why not the same obsession with China/Tibet? Or Russia/Chechnya?

My question is: what makes a white, middle class, Trinity student in Ireland think that they can save the world? Remember when Irish student Kate O'Sullivan made an embarassing attempt to perform a citizen's arrest on Tony Blair at his book signing in Dublin last year? Cringe. Blair just rolled his eyes and made a nod towards security to chuck her out on the street with the other loonies. Only in Ireland. She will remain unemployable for life. I wouldn't expect any other diplmats to bother visiting Ireland again.

Sometimes it's a fad they get over. Sometimes it's a belief the keep. There are some who genuinely believe what they preach (even if they go about it the wrong way). There really was a Che, you know, once. Should he have given up and just gotten a job? Should Ghandi? Should Padraig Pearce et al?

Will you be back to answer any of these?

Eric Cartman

These people dont seem to grasp the reality of the fact that their parents submission to the capitalist system has given them the freedom and financial means to express these views. The truth of the matter is , just like shell2sea supporters, SWP members and all the other youth - lefty groups , they are all run by and supported by products of the capitalist economy.

Once while standing outside a pub I witnessed 2 of these trinity college products talk about 'the celtic tiger was the worst thing that ever happened to ireland'

these kids are quite clearly morons and only have a very basic grasp of economics, If they actually got a job theyd soon shake these views, but its their views and utter laziness that keeps them from getting a job.

Its realistically a product of trying not to turn into their parents in the laziest way possible, and it seems the healthier and wealthier their upbringing was, the more they struggle to get away from it.

Diabhal Beag

Those t-shirts are a great dickhead indicator though. The same people nost likely who give out about the country and have probably never volunteered for a charity in their lifetime.

Dangerous Man

http://i182.photobucket.com/albums/x208/Dangerous-Man/che.jpg

GodlessInfidel

teenagers dabbling in islam??

where is it you actually live?

John Doe1

As a white, male middle class trinity student, i think your nothing but a whiney old ****.

Seriously grandpa, whats wrong with having ideals, i know they vanish with age but they are a positive attribute.

Also, Ever heard of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/May_1968_in_France

BOHtox

How do you know a Trinity Student on the Bus?


He tells you!

BASHIR

cookies221 wrote: »

sit at home all day, posting long hate filled diatribes on internet forums, under the delusion that people are listening to them.

Oh the irony

cookies221

Che was a murderer and terrorist, btw. Kids may as well be running around wearing tshirts with Bin Laden or Saddam Hussein on the front. Violence is NEVER the answer. Did Gandhi need violence to win independence for India? Did Martin Luther King need violence to win civil rights for negros? What did the IRA's campaign of terror achieve, besides dragging this country back on to the Neanderthal age?

Eric Cartman

BOHtox wrote: »

How do you know a Trinity Student on the Bus?

your looking out the window at him in his daddys range rover

My name is URL

cookies221 wrote: »

Violence is NEVER the answer.

Don't you routinely defend the violence dished out by Israeli forces?

saywhatyousee

cookies221 wrote: »

Teenagers like to rebel or to reject the status quo. It gives them a sense of power and independence to hold opposing views to their parents. They often adopt (what they perceive as) radical left wing views and wear PLO scarves or Che Guevara tshirts to pronounce their political ideology to the world, without really having a clue of the issues involved. In other words, they do it because they think it's cool. They will attend anti-America and anti-Israeli marches, and then go home to post on Facebook about how radical they are and give themselves a pat on the back. The more dedicated may read Karl Marx and dabble in Islam.

Most children grow out of this phase when they realise it's time to cut the ridiculous ponytail, shave the bum fluff goatee, and get a job to pay the bills. The put on a suit and join the capitalist workforce that they denounced as evil a few years earlier. Oh the irony.

Sadly, some poor individuals never grow out of this adolescent mindset and fail to ever grasp a mature understanding of the world or its politics. They remain unemployable for life and so sit at home all day, posting long hate filled diatribes on internet forums, under the delusion that people are listening to them. Take the politics forum on this site for example. There are at least five Israel/Palestine threads on the first page. Let me remind you that this is an Irish site. We have zero historical ties to Palestine. Most Palestinians have never even heard of Ireland. Why not the same obsession with China/Tibet? Or Russia/Chechnya?

My question is: what makes a white, middle class, Trinity student in Ireland think that they can save the world? Remember when Irish student Kate O'Sullivan made an embarassing attempt to perform a citizen's arrest on Tony Blair at his book signing in Dublin last year? Cringe. Blair just rolled his eyes and made a nod towards security to chuck her out on the street with the other loonies. Only in Ireland. She will remain unemployable for life. I wouldn't expect any other diplmats to bother visiting Ireland again.

Just after going through your post history another IDF shill the mods should really ban you I loved your post by the way "things that muslims do".Stop spamming our message boards with your crap.

cookies221

My name is URL wrote: »

Don't you routinely defend the violence dished out by Israeli forces?

Difference between self defence (Israelis) and violent agression (Arabs)

PK2008

cookies221 wrote: »

Che was a murderer and terrorist, btw. Kids may as well be running around wearing tshirts with Bin Laden or Saddam Hussein on the front. Violence is NEVER the answer. Did Gandhi need violence to win independence for India? Did Martin Luther King need violence to win civil rights for negros? What did the IRA's campaign of terror achieve, besides dragging this country back on to the Neanderthal age?

OP needs a hug

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

And is that Sarah Palin your avatar??

Rodger_Muir

I hate those t shirts. Che executed people with out trial. He's not cool or edgy, he was a murderer and a complete cnut!!

Kevin Duffy

cookies221 wrote: »

Che was a murderer and terrorist, btw. Kids may as well be running around wearing tshirts with Bin Laden or Saddam Hussein on the front. Violence is NEVER the answer. Did Gandhi need violence to win independence for India? Did Martin Luther King need violence to win civil rights for negros? What did the IRA's campaign of terror achieve, besides dragging this country back on to the Neanderthal age?

Slow broadband? Your message has taken from a bygone century to get here.

Rodger_Muir

cookies221 wrote: »

What did the IRA's campaign of terror achieve, besides dragging this country back on to the Neanderthal age?

You forgot about them handing control of the state over to Rome.

epgc3fyqirnbsx

"The man who is not a socialist at twenty has no heart, but if he is still a socialist at forty he has no head."
-- Aristide Briand (1862-1932)

It's romantic idealism, reality kicks in after college. It's nice to have ideals and to let them influence your thoughts but you gotta understand human nature and that in society the majority rules

Biggins

PK2008 wrote: »

OP needs a hug

Maybe, I suspect he needs a lot more than that!


Two hugs maybe?
(of course - what were ya all thinking!)

My name is URL

cookies221 wrote: »

Difference between self defence (Israelis) and violent agression (Arabs)

Aye :rolleyes:

Not even worth the debate tbh

two wheels good

cookies221 wrote: »

Sadly, some poor individuals never grow out of this adolescent mindset and fail to ever grasp a mature understanding of the world or its politics.

Elsewhere on another thread you are advocating the extra-judicial assasination of national leaders (e.g. Gaddafi and Ahmadinejad. )as a solution to international political conflict. This hardly suggests "a mature understanding of the world or its politics" either

cookies221 wrote: »

Kate O'Sullivan made an embarassing attempt to perform a citizen's arrest on Tony Blair at his book signing in Dublin last year? Cringe.

I wasn't aware of this. What a commendable, if futile, action. Reminds me of Peter Thatchell trying the same trick with Mugabe when that blood-stained national leader was swanning around Europe.

The Saint

cookies221 wrote: »

Difference between self defence (Israelis) and violent agression (Arabs)

Didn't you get banned from politics recently for trolling on this exact topic. Somehow I'd imagine this thread is an extension of this trend.

cookies221

The Saint wrote: »

Didn't you get banned from politics recently for trolling on this exact topic. Somehow I'd imagine this thread is an extension of this trend.

Ah, anyone who holds a different opinion to you is a troll. That accusation can get you banned from boards according to the charter. I presume you are under 21?

AnamGlas

cookies221 wrote: »

Difference between self defence oppression (Israelis) and violent agression trying to reclaim their own land (Arabs)

FYP

EDIT: "Sure don't ya have to love your man Che, wasn't his grandmother Irish"

FinnLizzy

My dad got me a Che towl. And he helped canvass for a local socialist politician (who was Mayor of Sligo) in the last general election.

Adults have can have the same left wing attitudes and blend into mainstream irish society. You don't have to be a bearded Trinner to be against the actions of the IDF.

I'm not a textbook liberal, but I admire someone who genuinely believes in a cause without resorting to a stereotype.

J. Marston

That looks and reads like it was copy and pasted from some shítty blog.

4leto

cookies221 wrote: »

Teenagers like to rebel or to reject the status quo. It gives them a sense of power and independence to hold opposing views to their parents. They often adopt (what they perceive as) radical left wing views and wear PLO scarves or Che Guevara tshirts to pronounce their political ideology to the world, without really having a clue of the issues involved. In other words, they do it because they think it's cool. They will attend anti-America and anti-Israeli marches, and then go home to post on Facebook about how radical they are and give themselves a pat on the back. The more dedicated may read Karl Marx and dabble in Islam.

Most children grow out of this phase when they realise it's time to cut the ridiculous ponytail, shave the bum fluff goatee, and get a job to pay the bills. The put on a suit and join the capitalist workforce that they denounced as evil a few years earlier. Oh the irony.

Sadly, some poor individuals never grow out of this adolescent mindset and fail to ever grasp a mature understanding of the world or its politics. They remain unemployable for life and so sit at home all day, posting long hate filled diatribes on internet forums, under the delusion that people are listening to them. Take the politics forum on this site for example. There are at least five Israel/Palestine threads on the first page. Let me remind you that this is an Irish site. We have zero historical ties to Palestine. Most Palestinians have never even heard of Ireland. Why not the same obsession with China/Tibet? Or Russia/Chechnya?

My question is: what makes a white, middle class, Trinity student in Ireland think that they can save the world? Remember when Irish student Kate O'Sullivan made an embarassing attempt to perform a citizen's arrest on Tony Blair at his book signing in Dublin last year? Cringe. Blair just rolled his eyes and made a nod towards security to chuck her out on the street with the other loonies. Only in Ireland. She will remain unemployable for life. I wouldn't expect any other diplmats to bother visiting Ireland again.

They can feed into public opinion, it probably wont change the world, but it sets a moral bar that does change the world.

The power of opinion and the internet was seen in the Arab spring of last year so it does clearly have an effect.

The Irish do seem to identify with the Palestinians for no other reason that in a very minor way they feel they reflect our historical situation with the British.

Incidentally, I don't, I would regard myself in the Israeli camp, but that just me and my freely given opinion.

The Saint

cookies221 wrote: »

Ah, anyone who holds a different opinion to you is a troll. That accusation can get you banned from boards according to the charter. I presume you are under 21?

No, your posts indicate that you are one. I wasn't the one banned for accusing people of being racists.

And no, I'm not 21, and I wouldn't go off assuming anything about me.

saywhatyousee

cookies221 wrote: »

Ah, anyone who holds a different opinion to you is a troll. That accusation can get you banned from boards according to the charter. I presume you are under 21?

When about 80% of your posts are about the same topic it is reasonable to assume you have some sort of agenda.

Teutorix

Oh god, that post was god awful OP, i have never read such rubbish. I never had a "rebel phase" in the way you describe, I never had a ponytail (did have longish hair though, and still do) or a fluff beard (intentionally). And i bought my first suit because it looks boss, not because i grew up.

JONJO THE MISER

cookies221 wrote: »

They remain unemployable for life and so sit at home all day, posting long hate filled diatribes on internet forums

That sentence had me in stitches.

Eric Cartman

My name is URL wrote: »

Don't you routinely defend the violence dished out by Israeli forces?

cookies221 wrote: »

Difference between self defence (Israelis) and violent agression (Arabs)

ok, op is nuts, im out of here , agreed with his first post, but not this anti islam zionist extremism

laoch na mona

I have a che t shirt because the man did so much good
we really have to learn to celebrate true revolutionary who want to help people
most would use violence as a last resort (like the 1916 rising and the war of independence )

Kevin Duffy

cookies221 wrote: »

Ah, anyone who holds a different opinion to you is a troll. That accusation can get you banned from boards according to the charter. I presume you are under 21?

If your opions are valid and you can support them, why resort to this shít? A fairly pathetic tactic.

Teutorix

laoch na mona wrote: »

I have a che t shirt because the man did so much good
we really have to learn to celebrate true revolutionary who want to help people
most would use violence as a last resort (like the 1916 rising and the war of independence )

Supporting a communist rebel by indulging in unadulterated consumerism and buying t-shirts with his image printed on them by large corporations to make a few bucks.

KeithAFC

The biggest of myths surround this man.

cookies221

saywhatyousee wrote: »

When about 80% of your posts are about the same topic it is reasonable to assume you have some sort of agenda.

Yeah there is a Zionist world conspiracy, Jews control the world, we all have an agenda etc etc

Conspiracy theory forum is that way

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Jaafa

cookies221 wrote: »

Yeah there is a Zionist world conspiracy, Jews control the world, we all have an agenda etc etc

Conspiracy theory forum is that way

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Because clearly he mentioned both Zionist and Jews in that post.

The Saint

cookies221 wrote: »

Ah, anyone who holds a different opinion to you is a troll. That accusation can get you banned from boards according to the charter. I presume you are under 21?

Since you believe that you have an extensive knowledge of international and worldly affairs why don't you give us a rundown of where this expansive wisdom that you profess originates from for us mere ignorant plebs.

saywhatyousee

cookies221 wrote: »

Yeah there is a Zionist world conspiracy, Jews control the world, we all have an agenda etc etc

Conspiracy theory forum is that way

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Nice.....back to the oul tactic of trying to defame anyone who does not agree with you.Take a nice long look through my previous post history i know nothing about Zionism have never mentioned it before.To quote charlie sheen I must be
"winning" if you have to resort to that.

Siuin

cookies221 wrote: »

Teenagers like to rebel or to reject the status quo. It gives them a sense of power and independence to hold opposing views to their parents. They often adopt (what they perceive as) radical left wing views and wear PLO scarves or Che Guevara tshirts to pronounce their political ideology to the world, without really having a clue of the issues involved. In other words, they do it because they think it's cool. They will attend anti-America and anti-Israeli marches, and then go home to post on Facebook about how radical they are and give themselves a pat on the back. The more dedicated may read Karl Marx and dabble in Islam.

Most children grow out of this phase when they realise it's time to cut the ridiculous ponytail, shave the bum fluff goatee, and get a job to pay the bills. The put on a suit and join the capitalist workforce that they denounced as evil a few years earlier. Oh the irony.

Sadly, some poor individuals never grow out of this adolescent mindset and fail to ever grasp a mature understanding of the world or its politics. They remain unemployable for life and so sit at home all day, posting long hate filled diatribes on internet forums, under the delusion that people are listening to them. Take the politics forum on this site for example. There are at least five Israel/Palestine threads on the first page. Let me remind you that this is an Irish site. We have zero historical ties to Palestine. Most Palestinians have never even heard of Ireland. Why not the same obsession with China/Tibet? Or Russia/Chechnya?

My question is: what makes a white, middle class, Trinity student in Ireland think that they can save the world? Remember when Irish student Kate O'Sullivan made an embarassing attempt to perform a citizen's arrest on Tony Blair at his book signing in Dublin last year? Cringe. Blair just rolled his eyes and made a nod towards security to chuck her out on the street with the other loonies. Only in Ireland. She will remain unemployable for life. I wouldn't expect any other diplmats to bother visiting Ireland again.

Excellent post. I see these kinds of people all the time, and I'm sick of it. Same BS all the time- in college there seems to be a checklist of who you have to hate in order to get into the Socialist Worker's Party, and after sitting through one of their (painfully pathetic) meetings to see what exactly they talk about, seems they were just a bunch of spoilt kids trying desperately to find something exciting to get irate about in their dull middle class lives.

GodlessInfidel wrote: »

teenagers dabbling in islam??

where is it you actually live?

This happens quite often, actually- the left wingers in my college have Muslim speakers and their sympathisers come in quite frequently, and even on last week's fresher's week when everyone was signing up for clubs and societies, their stalls were practically on top of eachother and they were very buddy-buddy. Pretty ironic how they claim to be fighting against 'The System' and then take a fondness for one of the most restrictive and oppressive religions out there.

Fromthetrees

cookies221 wrote: »

Teenagers like to rebel or to reject the status quo. It gives them a sense of power and independence to hold opposing views to their parents. They often adopt (what they perceive as) radical left wing views and wear PLO scarves or Che Guevara tshirts to pronounce their political ideology to the world, without really having a clue of the issues involved. In other words, they do it because they think it's cool. They will attend anti-America and anti-Israeli marches, and then go home to post on Facebook about how radical they are and give themselves a pat on the back. The more dedicated may read Karl Marx and dabble in Islam.

Most children grow out of this phase when they realise it's time to cut the ridiculous ponytail, shave the bum fluff goatee, and get a job to pay the bills. The put on a suit and join the capitalist workforce that they denounced as evil a few years earlier. Oh the irony.

Sadly, some poor individuals never grow out of this adolescent mindset and fail to ever grasp a mature understanding of the world or its politics. They remain unemployable for life and so sit at home all day, posting long hate filled diatribes on internet forums, under the delusion that people are listening to them. Take the politics forum on this site for example. There are at least five Israel/Palestine threads on the first page. Let me remind you that this is an Irish site. We have zero historical ties to Palestine. Most Palestinians have never even heard of Ireland. Why not the same obsession with China/Tibet? Or Russia/Chechnya?

My question is: what makes a white, middle class, Trinity student in Ireland think that they can save the world? Remember when Irish student Kate O'Sullivan made an embarassing attempt to perform a citizen's arrest on Tony Blair at his book signing in Dublin last year? Cringe. Blair just rolled his eyes and made a nod towards security to chuck her out on the street with the other loonies. Only in Ireland. She will remain unemployable for life. I wouldn't expect any other diplmats to bother visiting Ireland again.

I don't think you understand what you're actually trying to say OP. The picture of this 'person' you have just painted is of someone who has attended college, probably gotten a degree but remains unemployable why?, because they have a left leaning political outlook and disagree with say Americas wars and feel that something should be done to bring about peace between Israel and Palestine or that they wear a shirt or hat with Che on it, it just doesn't make sense to me, I just can't see a real comparison between work ethic and the personal beliefs you've outlined.

cookies221

saywhatyousee wrote: »

Nice.....back to the oul tactic of trying to defame anyone who does not agree with you.Take a nice long look through my previous post history i know nothing about Zionism have never mentioned it before.To quote charlie sheen I must be
"winning" if you have to resort to that.

1. I don't have time to go through your 900+ past posts. I have better things to be doing.

2. Politics isn't like supporting a football team. There are no "sides" and nobody is "winning". That's what I mean by an immature grasp of world affiars. Every Israeli death is like a score in the back of the net for "your side." When you decide to come up out of your trench, maybe we can engage in peaceful and mature discourse about Arab-Israeli relations.