Why are young Irish women so rude in bars/clubs?

hatrickpatrick · 04-09-2011 04:12PM

Tayla wrote: »

I know that there are a lot of girls like that, trust me I know that.

I also know there's a lot of men who are just as bad (in different ways)

I don't see threads about them and yet I know those guys are out there but I think the fact that men don't see these threads justifies the fact in their heads that Irish girls are just cows and Irish men are great.

Can they not accept that there's bad things about Irish women and about Irish men? I love Irish guys, i'd never start a thread bashing them just because I came across a group of d**kheads the night before.

The reason it's a problem though is because we're always getting remarks and newspaper columns from women moaning about how Irish guys are too shy, they never approach, etc. I've read so many rants about that in my time it's ridiculous, but the response of "maybe it's because so many girls are just downright mean about it" never seems to register. :rolleyes:

boomkatalog · 04-09-2011 04:14PM

Thread title is a bit much. I could just as easily start one called 'why are all young irish men arseh0les that are only looking for somewhere to stick it?' Only I don't do generalisations

I'll admit to being very on guard when being approached in pubs/clubs. Why? I'm tired of randomers asking me for a shag in the toilet, or sticking their hand up the back of my dress just because I engaged them in conversation.

Yeah some girls are b1tches, and some are a bit paranoid about guys intentions (myself included) but do remember the crap that we get from fellas on nights out too. You meet enough creeps on your nights out that ruin your night, its hard to give someone the benefit of the doubt.

kfallon · 04-09-2011 04:14PM

TimeToShine wrote: »

lol @ this thread.

on the one side we have the lads who are drunk out of their minds going "here lads i'll go up to this one and see can i get the shift?", so he staggers up, grabs her ass and hand and tries to drag her to the dancefloor, at which point the girl is repulsed and tells him to fook off. he then desperately tries to make some verbal contact and is immediately dismissed with the girls hand or a slap.

cue thread on boards such as this one claiming all girls are ignorant and can't see how privileged they are to have even been approached by such a heavenly blessed beauty such as myself.

on the other side we have 3/10s thinking they're 7+/10s, hot stuff that only the best of the best 6'3 210lbs 8% BF shredded guys can approach and even then they have to have dazzling white teeth and a flawlessly charming personality all while trying to keep a flowing conversation going over loud annoying music. as well as this, these girls are expecting the guy to buy her drinks and compliment her frequently. if this prince charming doesn't turn up, cue complaining about being groped and approached by "creeps" in 18 year old teenage nightclubs as well as sweeping generalisations about all irish lads being drunkards who are talking to you purely out of desperation for some action.

we both suck, deal with it.

Perfect post, sums it up, close the thread!

Some of us men can be as bad, the ould "Here luv gis a shag!", gets turned down, "She's up her own arse.....and a slut!"

However some women can be quite arrogant, look at you like we're something they scraped off their shoe.

Bad eggs on both sides tbh

hatrickpatrick · 04-09-2011 04:18PM

Tayla: Check this out.
http://www.independent.ie/lifestyle/independent-woman/love-sex/y-the-txtage-irishman-is-just-drving-me-crzy-2844075.html

Column from a woman complaining about guys never approaching and being too shy and awkward.

Then the response from a guy which pretty much mirrors this entire thread:
http://www.independent.ie/lifestyle/independent-woman/love-sex/hey-lottie-do-you-really-want-to-know-why-irish-men-drink-so-much-before-chatting-up-women-2840511.html

Take note of this part especially:

Our native species of females are almost uniquely, in non-burqa compliant countries at least, hard to approach.

As Lottie points out, in most European countries and especially in the US, it's quite acceptable for a guy to randomly approach a girl and ask her for her number and a date. It's a civilised, grown-up dating culture (and as such has no place in Catholic Ireland).

But you should try to do this in Dublin, Cork or Galway. Seriously, go up to a girl on the street or in a cafe and try to chat her up. You are as likely to spend the next hour talking to a guard as the lady in question.

A lot of women tend to assume that if you are a stranger showing an interest in them, you are some sort of escaped weirdo. It may be a sensible defence mechanism, but it does make life difficult for single guys.

A friend of mine was recently chatted up by a charming French man while out strolling in Dublin city centre and they later went on a date.

When I asked her how she would have reacted if an Irish guy had tried the same strategy, she basically said: "First, no Irish guy would EVER do that. And if he did, you would know right away that he was some sort of weirdo."

And there you have it -- random French guys are charming; random Irish guys are weirdos or losers.

Tayla · 04-09-2011 04:18PM

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

The reason it's a problem though is because we're always getting remarks and newspaper columns from women moaning about how Irish guys are too shy, they never approach, etc. I've read so many rants about that in my time it's ridiculous, but the response of "maybe it's because so many girls are just downright mean about it" never seems to register. :rolleyes:

I get where you're coming from....that's part of the reason I hate people being rude to people and arrogance. I used to suffer from social anxiety as a teenager and for that reason I would always be aware of other peoples feelings, people who put people down for no reason disgust me. I think it's obvious there's a lot of shy Irish guys and yes there's a lot of bitchy Irish girls.

Some guys have a habit for reading signals that aren't there though and for that reason I would say 50% of the Irish women bashing threads are probably because the girl was a bitch and the other 50% are probably due to the guy thinking 'he was in there'....'she was all over him all night' or 'she was leading him on' when in reality he just imagined something that wasn't there.

hatrickpatrick · 04-09-2011 04:21PM

Tayla wrote: »

I haven't read those to be honest with you but I get where you're coming from....that's part of the reason I hate people being rude to people and arrogance. I used to suffer from social anxiety as a teenager and for that reason I would always be aware of other peoples feelings, people who put people down for no reason disgust me. I think it's obvious there's a lot of shy Irish guys and yes there's a lot of bitchy Irish girls.

Some guys have a habit for reading signals that aren't there though and for that reason I would say 50% of the Irish women bashing threads are probably because the girl was a bitch and the other 50% are probably due to the guy thinking 'he was in there'....'she was all over him all night' or 'she was leading him on' when in reality he just imagined something that wasn't there.

Read the columns I linked above, the post just above yours. Perfect example.
Thing is I do see what you mean about misread signals, but in my experience that really doesn't happen as often as you think because a lot of the time guys don't get that far, they just say hello and get a grimace in return. You seem to accept that this happens but do you realize just how common it is?

omen80 · 04-09-2011 04:25PM

I think it's both women and men in this country that are becoming increasingly obnoxious. I see it all the time when I'm out. Not sure if you can blame the alcohol alone though. I think pr1cks are pr1cks regardless if they're drunk or not........what goes in sober comes out drunk as they say!

In relation to approaching girls......I do think that some Irish girls have a chip on their shoulder and think they're hotter than they actually are. A lot of them are also extremely immature.

cofy · 04-09-2011 04:29PM

aaronjumper wrote: »

Women like to be swept off their feet and surprised.
That's why I rugby tackle em from the side.

Works like a charm.

I think I may have met you many years ago!!! A guy came charging up to me in a crowded nite club, lifted me right up (ok I was impressed with his strength) then put me down and said "Now I can tell all my friends that I picked you up". I'm still not sure but I think he may have tought I was some-one else.

hatrickpatrick · 04-09-2011 04:30PM

omen80 wrote: »

I think it's both women and men in this country that are becoming increasingly obnoxious. I see it all the time when I'm out. Not sure if you can blame the alcohol alone though. I think pr1cks are pr1cks regardless if they're drunk or not........what goes in sober comes out drunk as they say!

Yes and I've always felt that perhaps one good side of the recession will be that the arrogance which is blossoming in this country might be pruned slightly. It's getting old.

I went to Thailand last summer with a massive crowd from Dublin and we did the backpacking, tourist circuit so we met tons of people from loads of other countries.

It suddenly struck me that this would never happen in Ireland, because everyone goes out in unbreakable cliques. You can't just walk up to a group of people and say "hey how're ye doing, having a good time, this place is really fun" etc, because if they don't already know you, they don't WANT to know you.

Even when we were over there I met a lot more non Irish people than most of my friends did, because they were only really interested in hanging out with the familiar Dublin crowd. I'm definitely one of the only ones who stayed in contact with anyone new after we got home.

Admit it or not, Irish social culture is dysfunctional on some level. I'm not sure why this is but you can't deny that we have serious issues.

pq0n1ct4ve8zf5 · 04-09-2011 04:35PM

Oh my god what is this "think they're super models/get dressed up to shoot men down" thing. Just because a girl has made an effort to look good when she decides she doesn't want to talk to you doesn't mean she thinks she gorgeous, it means she's in a bloody night club. On the occasions where I've approached a guy and been rejected I haven't thought "well he must just think he's great, look at him in his shirt with his hair all like that, why does he dress like that if he doesn't want me and me specifically to chat him up?"

flutterflye · 04-09-2011 04:38PM

I don't always dress up as a tart, but when I do, I do it for myself.

Phat Cat · 04-09-2011 04:49PM

Simon Purple Fish wrote: »

Oh my god.......

I stopped reading after that :pac:

Also what's up with all the thanks whoring on this thread?

"Irish women are fantastic" gets an automatic +1 from an Irish woman. Are you lot that insecure?

booboo88 · 04-09-2011 04:54PM

Phat Cat wrote: »

I stopped reading after that :pac:

Also what's up with all the thanks whoring on this thread?

"Irish women are fantastic" gets an automatic +1 from an Irish woman. Are you lot that insecure?

this is one time Id nearly set up multiple acc, just to thank the sh!te outta your post. Add that to the list, Irish women are ugly insecure b!tches

Tayla · 04-09-2011 04:57PM

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

Read the columns I linked above, the post just above yours. Perfect example.
Thing is I do see what you mean about misread signals, but in my experience that really doesn't happen as often as you think because a lot of the time guys don't get that far, they just say hello and get a grimace in return. You seem to accept that this happens but do you realize just how common it is?

I agree it's common but not necessarily all over the country. This thread at least specified that it's Irish women in bars/clubs are bitches, not just in general like most of the others

Misread signals are actually really really common I find.

Phat Cat wrote: »

"Irish women are fantastic" gets an automatic +1 from an Irish woman. Are you lot that insecure?

That's bull****....no automatic + 1 from me, only on comments I agree with, let's be clear here I don't think any girls are sticking up for bitchy girls....we're sticking up for the nice ones! Is that not allowed no?

Are Irish guys that insecure that they need to start these threads all the time?;)

hatrickpatrick · 04-09-2011 04:59PM

EDIT: I was responding sincerely to sarcasm, my apologies. In my defense I am RATHER hungover.

mattjack · 04-09-2011 04:59PM

flutterflye wrote: »

I don't always dress up as a tart, but when I do, I do it for myself.

same as myself...on the weekend you can call me Mandy..

Miss Olenska · 04-09-2011 05:01PM

Phat Cat wrote: »

Also what's up with all the thanks whoring on this thread?

"Irish women are fantastic" gets an automatic +1 from an Irish woman. Are you lot that insecure?

Yes, of course that can be the only reason for saying Irish women are alright, no other reason at all.

hatrickpatrick · 04-09-2011 05:02PM

Miss Olenska wrote: »

Yes, of course that can be the only reason for saying Irish women are alright, no other reason at all.

I bet you get a lot of thanks for this post all the same

pq0n1ct4ve8zf5 · 04-09-2011 05:03PM

Phat Cat wrote: »

I stopped reading after that :pac:

Also what's up with all the thanks whoring on this thread?

"Irish women are fantastic" gets an automatic +1 from an Irish woman. Are you lot that insecure?

Not sure if the end of that post was directed at me or if you just tacked it on to the end of letting me know you didn't read my post, but I haven't been thanks whoring and I haven't said all Irish women are fantastic anywhere in this thread. So if it was directed at me then maybe make a habit of reading posts before you respond to them. And if it wasn't directed at me then ohmygodohmygodohmygod I don't give two shits if you read my post, but thanks for the info I guess.

Feeona · 04-09-2011 05:03PM

Tayla wrote: »

That's bull****....no automatic + 1 from me, only on comments I agree with, let's be clear here I don't think any girls are sticking up for bitchy girls....we're sticking up for the nice ones! Is that not allowed no?

Are Irish guys that insecure that they need to start these threads all the time?;)

this is one time Id nearly set up multiple acc, just to thank the sh!te outta your post. Add that to the list, Irish men are ugly insecure bastards

Tayla · 04-09-2011 05:05PM

Now now guys, it's alright for you all be thanks whores in these threads saying Irish girls are stuck up and ugly and waiting for the thanks from your fellow perfect men who have been wronged by Irish women but a woman can't give thanks to a poster who sticks up for Irish women....

WOW just wow

Phat Cat · 04-09-2011 05:07PM

Tayla wrote: »

That's bull****....no automatic + 1 from me, only on comments I agree with, let's be clear here I don't think any girls are sticking up for bitchy girls....we're sticking up for the nice ones! Is that not allowed no?

Irony is really lost on you lot. I only posted because I knew I'd get a typically aggressive response from an Irish girl and they in turn would get multiple baseless thanks from it from other female posters. It's all too easy

aaronjumper · 04-09-2011 05:08PM

I'm only on this thread to score. So ladies. . . how YOU doin?

mattjack · 04-09-2011 05:10PM

aaronjumper wrote: »

I'm only on this thread to score. So ladies. . . how YOU doin?

heroin or a lady person ?

Miss Olenska · 04-09-2011 05:12PM

Phat Cat wrote: »

Irony is really lost on you lot. I only posted because I knew I'd get a typically aggressive response from an Irish girl and they in turn would get multiple baseless thanks from it from other female posters. It's all too easy

No woman in this thread has defended bitchiness though.

pq0n1ct4ve8zf5 · 04-09-2011 05:13PM

Phat Cat wrote: »

Irony is really lost on you lot. I only posted because I knew I'd get a typically aggressive response from an Irish girl and they in turn would get multiple baseless thanks from it from other female posters. It's all too easy

So you'd be what...trolling?

jaffacakesyum · 04-09-2011 05:14PM

Richard Dower wrote: »

Did he?.....you should report that, not on!

Thanks I reported him alright. If you click into my profile it will be revealed why he's not having any luck with the ladies if he talks to all women like that :rolleyes:

Flyer1 · 04-09-2011 05:14PM

Unfair to say its just Irish women.

I've experienced women all over the world who are rude in clubs/bars. I agree some Irish women can be very up of themselves but i'm sure this is true of other cultures.

If they're going to be rude then they're not worth a fúck anyway ! Who wants to be with someone like that !

Plenty of good fish out there

The King of Moo · 04-09-2011 05:14PM

Phat Cat wrote: »

I stopped reading after that :pac:

Also what's up with all the thanks whoring on this thread?

"Irish women are fantastic" gets an automatic +1 from an Irish woman. Are you lot that insecure?

I'm not a woman.

But yes, I'm very insecure.

kfallon · 04-09-2011 05:14PM

Is this thread still going?

Thought I summed it up perfectly tbh.

Why are young Irish women so rude in bars/clubs?

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