Why are young Irish women so rude in bars/clubs?

Crann na Beatha · 04-09-2011 03:31PM

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Tayla · 04-09-2011 03:33PM

jameshealy19 wrote: »

Well women are complaining that they're getting approaching a load, so why do they put in all that effort to do themselves up before going out, why don't they dress normally?

No James, there's no problem with being approached, it's when guys refuse to take no for an answer.

You started this thread going on about bitchy women, so far every girl on this thread has said that they're not like that.

Maybe your point might seem valid if you were having this discussion with the bitchy girls but you're having a discussion with women who say that they're nice to people so people are perfectly entitled to complain if they want to.

Miss Olenska · 04-09-2011 03:34PM

Kevin Duffy wrote: »

Here you go Miss O. See you next Friday for coffee. Not sure how I'll recognise you though.

That is strangely sexy!

The King of Moo · 04-09-2011 03:34PM

jameshealy19 wrote: »

Normal = how they dress during the day

= however the hell they want to dress, it's their choice and nothing to do with you.

jaffacakesyum · 04-09-2011 03:35PM

jameshealy - kindly please don't write on my profile telling me to **** off

Thanks

hatrickpatrick · 04-09-2011 03:35PM

^ The problem with the above argument is that guys and girls think completely differently.
Guys doing things for their appearance are doing it to attract girls. We don't do things to impress eachother. No guy wants to be told by another guy that he's hot.

Girls doing things for their appearance MIGHT be doing it to attract guys, but it could also just be for social reasons. Think about it, girls in groups always comment on eachother's appearance "zomg you looked amazing last night" etc. When would you ever do this with your guy friends though? Girls don't understand how guys think and guys don't understand how they think, that's why this is a problem. To a guy, if you're seriously dressed up you're trying to attract someone. To a girl, this is just one of the reasons. Social approval is the other, and I think a lot of guys underestimate just how competitive girls are with eachother, even when they're best friends. It's every bit as much about getting approval from her peers as it is about being attractive to the opposite sex.

Anyway my response to this thread is that there are some amazingly nice girls in Dublin if you go to the right places. And just take solace in knowing that if you get shot down in a rude or cruel manner it basically means she was in all likelihood a horrible and incredibly high maintenance person and therefore, you're quite LUCKY you didn't end up with her. If she's like that to guys she's never met can you IMAGINE what her poor bf must go through if she has one? :eek:

Keep looking. Sound people of both genders are in fact out there. It just requires a bit more effort to find them in what is, let's face it, a sea of snobs.

Ireland has basically imported a rather nasty trait from American teen social culture, whereby it's ok to act like you're God's gift to the Earth and everyone else is below you. Both men AND women display this, and it's exceedingly hideous in my view.
Don't waste your time with such people.

magma69 · 04-09-2011 03:35PM

Tayla wrote: »

No James, there's no problem with being approached, it's when guys refuse to take no for an answer.

You started this thread going on about bitchy women, so far every girl on this thread has said that they're not like that.

Maybe your point might seem valid if you were having this discussion with the bitchy girls but you're having a discussion with women who say that they're nice to people so people are perfectly entitled to complain if they want to.

I'm not accusing anyone here of being one of those girls, but do you think these bitches in question would admit to it? I think half the problem is they don't realise they are stuck up.

The King of Moo · 04-09-2011 03:36PM

Miss Olenska wrote: »

Burqas it is so! Only ankles to be displayed!

Sorry, there's always going to be some guy with an ankle fetish, so it's into the sleeping bag!

hatrickpatrick · 04-09-2011 03:36PM

Tayla wrote: »

No James, there's no problem with being approached, it's when guys refuse to take no for an answer.

The problem here isn't refusing to take no for an answer, the problem is when the first answer offered is not a simple "no" but a dirty look and "eugh f*ck off" or "haha I don't think so, seeya" *arrogant little hand gesture*.

booboo88 · 04-09-2011 03:38PM

jameshealy19 wrote: »

if Irish women don't want to be approached in bars/nightclubs, I would suggest to them to stop wearing make-up and revealing outfits on a night out. Therefore you won't get approached as much

Wow, just wow, I think you have found the reason why women arent into you? You think women get dressed up just for you?:rolleyes:

Tayla · 04-09-2011 03:38PM

magma69 wrote: »

I'm not accusing anyone here of being one of those girls, but do you think these bitches in question would admit to it? I think half the problem is they don't realise they are stuck up.

No they probably wouldn't admit it but I also think that half the men who come on here complaining about these girls are the men that follow girls around clubs and are sleazy at times but they won't admit to it or realise they're like that either , you just have to take people at face value on here

Richard Dower · 04-09-2011 03:39PM

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

Ireland has basically imported a rather nasty trait from American teen social culture, whereby it's ok to act like you're God's gift to the Earth and everyone else is below you. Both men AND women display this, and it's exceedingly hideous in my view.
Don't waste your time with such people.

+1....this is the Fade Street phenom.

magma69 · 04-09-2011 03:39PM

Tayla wrote: »

No they probably wouldn't admit it but I also think that half the men who come on here complaining about these girls are the men that follow girls around clubs and are sleazy at times but they won't admit to it or realise they're like that either , you just have to take people at face value on here

I don't disagree with you at all.

Tayla · 04-09-2011 03:40PM

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

The problem here isn't refusing to take no for an answer, the problem is when the first answer offered is not a simple "no" but a dirty look and "eugh f*ck off" or "haha I don't think so, seeya" *arrogant little hand gesture*.

Yep I talked about that earlier in the thread.....it's completely wrong.

You took that one sentence out of my post and used it out of context.

That response was to the OP who didn't take anything we had said on board.

Richard Dower · 04-09-2011 03:40PM

jaffacakesyum wrote: »

jameshealy - kindly please don't write on my profile telling me to **** off

Thanks

Did he?.....you should report that, not on!

Kevin Duffy · 04-09-2011 03:40PM

Miss Olenska wrote: »

That is strangely sexy!

Nothing strange about it - very nice legs, offers the promise of the rest of her being attractive, added to the allure of the forbidden. Very potent combination. Be awkward for drinking and warm for dancing mind you.

hatrickpatrick · 04-09-2011 03:40PM

booboo88 wrote: »

Wow, just wow, I think you have found the reason why women arent into you? You think women get dressed up just for you?:rolleyes:

Like I said, this is unfortunate but it's coming from the fact that if a guy gets dressed up it IS to attract women, almost certainly. Guys just don't really do things like that for the hell of it or for social approval, and if we do it's rare enough.

Men, women, mars, venus, etc.

aaronjumper · 04-09-2011 03:42PM

jaffacakesyum wrote: »

Nor do all women go out to meet a guy for a shag :rolleyes:

A heart breaking truth that is.

pq0n1ct4ve8zf5 · 04-09-2011 03:44PM

The next time one of my British or American or European friends tells me how charming and funny they think Irish men are, I'm going to show them this thread. Plenty of lovely Irish men of course, but some of the attitudes on this thread are absolutely jaw-droppingly ridiculous, though I suspect (and fervently hope) that the OP at least is trolling.

hatrickpatrick · 04-09-2011 03:46PM

Tayla wrote: »

Yep I talked about that earlier in the thread.....it's completely wrong.

You took that one sentence out of my post and used it out of context.

That response was to the OP who didn't take anything we had said on board.

I wasn't just responding to you, that argument has come up a few times in the thread "maybe she just wasn't interested" and tha's fine of course, but I'm just saying even so that's no excuse for acting like an arrogant eejit.

I still say the easiest way for guys to get on in Dublin is to just act like they don't give a crap what anyone thinks. If this happens to you, laugh it off and move in, I mean you'll never see her again so does it really matter?

If you can convince yourself to think like this it has the side effect of making you far less awkward, and that WILL help you. Have a laugh with it, see what happens, if you meet a b*tch like in the OP it's a funny story to laugh about with your mates later on. All there is to it really

astonaidan · 04-09-2011 03:47PM

jaffacakesyum wrote: »

OP is clearly trolling at this stage

Or else really naive

booboo88 · 04-09-2011 03:51PM

astonaidan wrote: »

Or else really naive

Or both

aaronjumper · 04-09-2011 03:52PM

Joking aside the best thing you can do is brush it off and move on.
No point getting too worked up over it.

hatrickpatrick · 04-09-2011 03:57PM

Accuse a girl of trying to skip you in a queue for a cloakroom, a drink, to get into the club, whatever. Have fun with the ensuing argument.

Just do it. I guarantee it's the closest thing to a pickup line as we have in this country, and even if it doesn't lead to anything the debate will almost certainly be a great laugh

The number of times this has worked for me really is quite ridiculous

Tayla · 04-09-2011 04:00PM

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

I wasn't just responding to you, that argument has come up a few times in the thread "maybe she just wasn't interested" and tha's fine of course, but I'm just saying even so that's no excuse for acting like an arrogant eejit.

Yep there's no excuse at all for that, I hate unnecessary rudeness and like I said before I tend to be too nice when i'm out and do end up in uncomfortable situations because of that.

It's very annoying that these threads come up all the time though, it seems that every time an Irish guy has a bad experience with an Irish girl or meets a lovely foreign girl that they have to come on here to moan about Irish girls.

If Irish girls were to start a thread about every fella they met who couldn't take a hint or who was sleazy then there would be non stop threads on the subject.

They should just sticky a thread about Irish women being bitches, that way men could go in and have their little moan rather than starting a new thread every day about making out how they've discovered the reason they're single is because .............wait for it...............ALL IRISH WOMEN ARE BITCHES!

hatrickpatrick · 04-09-2011 04:03PM

^ I agree with everything you're saying to an extent, Tayla, but what you seem to be missing is that IF this thread comes up all the time, maybe it's worth considering that there actually IS a serious cultural issue here with women (and men, indeed) being incredibly rude for no reason other than arrogance.

I've said myself in this thread that there are tons of people out there who aren't like this. But if guys are having this issue again and again and it keeps coming up, you can't always write it off as a bad experience. I'm just saying, open your mind a little to the idea that there might actually be a very nasty social attitude which is very common, not just an occasional thing.

As someone said earlier, the Fade Street effect.

SirenX · 04-09-2011 04:04PM

they prob already had a million guys come up to them and try chat them up, not to mention random gropes

hatrickpatrick · 04-09-2011 04:05PM

Just to summarize what I'm saying Tayla, if guys are constantly having bad experiences with Irish women and good experiences with foreigners, maybe you should consider the possibility that Irish women are in fact (in general, in general) more snobbish than their counterparts in other countries.

This wouldn't come up all the time if there wasn't some truth in it. You can write it off once or twice as a bitter guy, but if it's coming up every week it's clearly not just a once off.

Tayla · 04-09-2011 04:09PM

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

^ I agree with everything you're saying to an extent, Tayla, but what you seem to be missing is that IF this thread comes up all the time, maybe it's worth considering that there actually IS a serious cultural issue here with women (and men, indeed) being incredibly rude for no reason other than arrogance.

I've said myself in this thread that there are tons of people out there who aren't like this. But if guys are having this issue again and again and it keeps coming up, you can't always write it off as a bad experience. I'm just saying, open your mind a little to the idea that there might actually be a very nasty social attitude which is very common, not just an occasional thing.

As someone said earlier, the Fade Street effect.

I know that there are a lot of girls like that, trust me I know that.

I also know there's a lot of men who are just as bad (in different ways)

I don't see threads about them and yet I know those guys are out there but I think the fact that men don't see these threads justifies the fact in their heads that Irish girls are just cows and Irish men are great.

Can they not accept that there's bad things about Irish women and about Irish men? I love Irish guys, i'd never start a thread bashing them just because I came across a group of d**kheads the night before.

TimeToShine · 04-09-2011 04:10PM

lol @ this thread.

on the one side we have the lads who are drunk out of their minds going "here lads i'll go up to this one and see can i get the shift?", so he staggers up, grabs her ass and hand and tries to drag her to the dancefloor, at which point the girl is repulsed and tells him to fook off. he then desperately tries to make some verbal contact and is immediately dismissed with the girls hand or a slap.

cue thread on boards such as this one claiming all girls are ignorant and can't see how privileged they are to have even been approached by such a heavenly blessed beauty such as myself.

on the other side we have 3/10s thinking they're 7+/10s, hot stuff that only the best of the best 6'3 210lbs 8% BF shredded guys can approach and even then they have to have dazzling white teeth and a flawlessly charming personality all while trying to keep a flowing conversation going over loud annoying music. as well as this, these girls are expecting the guy to buy her drinks and compliment her frequently. if this prince charming doesn't turn up, cue complaining about being groped and approached by "creeps" in 18 year old teenage nightclubs in which you can practically smell the testosterone as well as sweeping generalisations about all irish lads being drunkards who are talking to you purely out of desperation for some action.

we both suck, deal with it.

Why are young Irish women so rude in bars/clubs?

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