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Would you care if your friend told you they used escorts/prositutes

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    #122
    4leto
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,940 ✭✭✭4leto


    realies wrote: »
    Having sex is different to making love. And if you only love your partner because of the sex the relationship is doomed.

    But most sex with a partner is usually routine

    You don't always make love.


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    #123
    Sunnyisland
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,562 ✭✭✭✭Sunnyisland


    4leto wrote: »
    But most sex with a partner is usually routine

    You don't always make love.


    :p Speak for yourself :p


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    #124
    4leto
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,940 ✭✭✭4leto


    realies wrote: »
    :p Speak for yourself :p

    If you are a woman I will let you in on a brotherhood secret,

    trust me it is.


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    #125
    Nulty
    Registered Users Posts: 7,838 ✭✭✭Nulty


    I got to page 8 and realised that every woman in this thread who opposes the idea of prostitution on the assumption that the prostitute in question is forced to perform under durress.

    It might be better if we all assumed that the prositute in question was involved in the 'game' of his/her own volition. That way we could get to the heart of the OP who, as far as I can see makes the same assumptions I have just clarified. Get away from the "sex slave" and "people trafficking" idea for a moment and consider the bones of the question ffs.

    Noone in their right mind would condone a person being set to a role against their will which they found demeaning or not to their tastes.

    Biko makes a point that I don't agree with but I see that he's entitled to it. He at least makes the assumption I have outlined here. He's not getting bogged down in details that are not relevant to the question.


    EDIT....oh...theres only 9 pages


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    #126
    jokettle
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    Nulty wrote: »
    Get away from the "sex slave" and "people trafficking" idea for a moment and consider the bones of the question ffs.


    Heh, bones.


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    #127
    Dravokivich
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    wouldnt make any odds to me. i'd expect'em to have the cop on to figure if 1 they were engaged with was trafficed at the very least.


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    #128
    evry1sm8
    Closed Accounts Posts: 284 ✭✭evry1sm8


    Kidchameleon wrote: »
    Look if your friend wants "relief" just fap like a normal person. Going to prostitutes is sad, pathetic and borderline rape. I say this because the whole "well she consented" argument is bulls**t. If a woman is a prostitute, she is doing it for money, not as a career decision. If she had money you can be sure she would not voluntarily be whoring herself. What do you think is going through these poor girls minds when your mate is banging them? They sure as hell are not enjoying it!

    Yes I am ignorant and a jackass at times but I'm no troll so that's me finished on this topic. Bye.

    Well said. I 100% agree!

    The women might not necessarily be forced into prostitution against their will, but I guarantee its not something they really enjoy or want to be doing, but do so as a means to an end.
    And I'm sure that over time doing this, it will wear them down emotionally and mentally, and any one "using" them is contributing to that hurt that will build up in them.


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    #129
    Min
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,550 ✭✭✭Min


    Sonics2k wrote: »
    That makes no sense what so ever.

    If something becomes legal. Is controlled by the Government, granted Health benefits, is Taxed like a normal job, and allows for greater safety and control within Brothels allowing all employees to turn down a client for health and safety reasons, enforce contraception is used at all times and prevents Pimps from abusing/assaulting/raping women.

    How exactly does this promote the trafficking of women and children? What proof do you have.


    In Amsterdam a lot of red light district was closed down due to organised crime being involved despite prostitution being legal. The Dutch foreign ministry spoke of the people trafficking.

    The Dutch justice ministry spokesman today announced the appointment of a special public prosecutor whose team will have just one task: to prosecute all these cases targetting the organised gangs which are smuggling people and drugs and rapidly turning Amsterdam and other Dutch cities into the organised-crime capitals of Europe. They have already taken over more than half of Amsterdam's tiny red light district - and citizens agree that they want these gangs gone - and fast. Most of the gangs are run by criminal gang leaders from the Antilles, the police say.

    Read more: http://digitaljournal.com/article/265520#ixzz1WvQgeCUE

    From May of this year:
    Two criminal investigations of trafficking in the window prostitution in Amsterdam’s Red Light District started under Emergo’s flag. Ten other criminal cases over the past four years which mainly took place in the Red Light District are also included in the analysis. The suspects in the studies, traffickers and pimps, are both men and women. They are mainly from Turkey, Hungary, the Netherlands and Germany, and are on average 30 years of age. The victims are all women. One in three victims of trafficking is 21 years or younger, in one case there was a minor. Suspects and victims know each other from prostitution areas, bars and nightclubs, or from their country of origin. In some cases, women became victims through Internet activities. Suspects use violence and threaten to use brute force to maintain exploitation, but also have many subtle ways to suppress women. They arrange accommodation and registration at the Chamber of Commerce for the prostitutes and intensively check their work at the brothels. Perpetrators and victims often live together. The studies describe the role of property owners, window operators and accountants in maintaining the forced prostitution of these young women.
    It needs to be considered that in such cases it’s often not easy to get the evidence, which makes it difficult to arrive at a conviction. The integrated approach of Emergo shows that it is nevertheless possible to effectively intervene. The investigation of trafficking in prostitution was carried out by the WODC. Their extensive report is published simultaneously with the Emergo report on WODC’s website.

    http://amsterdamgang.wordpress.com/2011/05/27/tackling-organized-crime-in-the-amsterdam-red-light-district/

    That is part of a press release by city of Amsterdam, the district center, the Amsterdam-Amstelland Police, the Public Ministry, the Ministry of Security and Justice, the WODC and the Amsterdam Tax Services

    Where you have prostitution, legal or illegal you have organised crime involved, the best thing would be to have prostitutuion illegal but make the user of prostitutes the main culprit in the crime of prostitution rather than the prostitute as is the case in Sweden.


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    #130
    evry1sm8
    Closed Accounts Posts: 284 ✭✭evry1sm8


    pablomakaveli wrote: »
    1. I dont think any father is comfortable with the idea of their daughter having sex anyway. Their daughter could be a slut and they'd still feel just as bad if they found that out. Ultimately it's still the womans choice to how she lives her life regardless what her father thinks.

    2. Is it not possible she could come here on her own dime?

    Here's another question:

    Would you date / marry a former prostitute? Or one that is still working?


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    #131
    Sunnyisland
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    4le to wrote: »
    If you are a woman I will let you in on a brotherhood secret,

    trust me it is.


    I am listening :)


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    #132
    Nulty
    Registered Users Posts: 7,838 ✭✭✭Nulty


    evry1sm8 wrote: »
    Well said. I 100% agree!

    The women might not necessarily be forced into prostitution against their will, but I guarantee its not something they really enjoy or want to be doing, but do so as a means to an end.
    And I'm sure that over time doing this, it will wear them down emotionally and mentally, and any one "using" them is contributing to that hurt that will build up in them.

    Are you a prostitutes spokes woman or union chief? You seem to think all prostitutes are the same and like you. They're not, some are mad keen on it and love their job. Some are forced into it by economic factors and some are forced into it through slaver/trafficking. Are you not hte one that said you weren't going to "tar them with the same stick (sic)"


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    #133
    Nulty
    Registered Users Posts: 7,838 ✭✭✭Nulty


    evry1sm8 wrote: »
    Here's another question:

    Would you date / marry a former prostitute? Or one that is still working?

    Not one still working, but that's just me. I'd date a former prostitute though, yeah, if thats the only underlying assumtion your applying to this hypothetical match. ie no STI, etc.


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    #134
    Bullseye1
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    How can you separate the issue of sex slavery unless you regulate prostitution. How many prostitutes are in Ireland and how many are Irish. And are those non nationals doing it on their own volition.

    I would have no problem with a women who is working as a prostitute as a profession if she so chooses without a Pimp. That's why I feel it should br regulated.

    We currently have a void being filled by women being forced to sell their bodies.

    Nulty wrote: »
    I got to page 8 and realised that every woman in this thread who opposes the idea of prostitution on the assumption that the prostitute in question is forced to perform under durress.

    It might be better if we all assumed that the prositute in question was involved in the 'game' of his/her own volition. That way we could get to the heart of the OP who, as far as I can see makes the same assumptions I have just clarified. Get away from the "sex slave" and "people trafficking" idea for a moment and consider the bones of the question ffs.

    Noone in their right mind would condone a person being set to a role against their will which they found demeaning or not to their tastes.

    Biko makes a point that I don't agree with but I see that he's entitled to it. He at least makes the assumption I have outlined here. He's not getting bogged down in details that are not relevant to the question.


    EDIT....oh...theres only 9 pages


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    #135
    Tesco Massacre
    Registered Users Posts: 814 ✭✭✭Tesco Massacre


    I'd tell my friend he's a desperate sleazy man who needs to get out more and meet normal women and to stop wasting his money on prostitutes.

    Although, if videogames have taught me anything (and I believe they have) it's that you can have sex with a whore in a car down an alley then beat her up afterwards with a giant pink dildo, then take her money.

    So I suppose you're not really losing out financially when you think about it.


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    #136
    Nulty
    Registered Users Posts: 7,838 ✭✭✭Nulty


    Min wrote: »
    In Amsterdam a lot of red light district was closed down due to organised crime being involved despite prostitution being legal. The Dutch foreign ministry spoke of the people trafficking.




    From May of this year:



    http://amsterdamgang.wordpress.com/2011/05/27/tackling-organized-crime-in-the-amsterdam-red-light-district/

    That is part of a press release by city of Amsterdam, the district center, the Amsterdam-Amstelland Police, the Public Ministry, the Ministry of Security and Justice, the WODC and the Amsterdam Tax Services

    Where you have prostitution, legal or illegal you have organised crime involved, the best thing would be to have prostitutuion illegal but make the user of prostitutes the main culprit in the crime of prostitution rather than the prostitute as is the case in Sweden.

    Thats "victims of trafficking", not the run of the mill "lady of the night" we are trying to talk about. No one condones trafficking and sex slaves.


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    #137
    evry1sm8
    Closed Accounts Posts: 284 ✭✭evry1sm8


    Sonics2k wrote: »
    Quite a few of the posters who agree with legalizing Prostitution here are female.

    Well some of the girls that post on this forum seem to have pretty low standards as well, and sometimes not much of a clue when it comes to respecting themselves IMO...

    Ive seen posts from girls on here about how they are in open relationships with their boyfriends / partners, having no strings sex with other men...

    As far as my opinion goes, they should have more respect for themselves, they are not animals- they are human women!!! And they have partners!!!
    I think it makes them cheap.
    If they are happy with being cheap themselves, then its no surprise they feel the same about other women and their value.


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    #138
    Dangerous Man
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    evry1sm8 wrote: »
    Well some of the girls that post on this forum seem to have pretty low standards as well, and sometimes not much of a clue when it comes to respecting themselves IMO...

    Ive seen posts from girls on here about how they are in open relationships with their boyfriends / partners, having no strings sex with other men...

    As far as my opinion goes, they should have more respect for themselves, they are not animals- they are human women!!! And they have partners!!!
    I think it makes them cheap.
    If they are happy with being cheap themselves, then its no surprise they feel the same about other women and their value.

    You have no respect for anybody on this thread who expresses a different opinion to you. You're talking crap - the worst kind of non-thinking, agenda-driven crap that so many 'concerned' women spout these days in Ireland.


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    #139
    evry1sm8
    Closed Accounts Posts: 284 ✭✭evry1sm8


    4leto wrote: »
    If you are a woman I will let you in on a brotherhood secret,

    trust me it is.

    A "brotherhood secret"?
    So you know how every other guy feels do you? :)

    God your relationship sounds riveting!! Lucky her, who ever she is...


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    #140
    Bipolar Joe
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    evry1sm8 wrote: »
    Well some of the girls that post on this forum seem to have pretty low standards as well, and sometimes not much of a clue when it comes to respecting themselves IMO...

    Ive seen posts from girls on here about how they are in open relationships with their boyfriends / partners, having no strings sex with other men...

    As far as my opinion goes, they should have more respect for themselves, they are not animals- they are human women!!! And they have partners!!!
    I think it makes them cheap.
    If they are happy with being cheap themselves, then its no surprise they feel the same about other women and their value.

    I think you are an extremely opinionated asshole.


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    #141
    evry1sm8
    Closed Accounts Posts: 284 ✭✭evry1sm8


    Dangerous Man wrote: »
    You have no respect for anybody on this thread who expresses a different opinion to you. You're talking crap - the worst kind of non-thinking, agenda-driven crap that so many 'concerned' women spout these days in Ireland.

    My opinion is that girls in relationships that still sleep with other guys "no strings attached" are cheap.
    Have some respect for yourselves ladies!!
    Youre not animals...

    So yeah, there are some things I have zero respect for.
    This is one of them.


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    #142
    evry1sm8
    Closed Accounts Posts: 284 ✭✭evry1sm8


    Bipolar Joe wrote: »
    I think you are an extremely opinionated asshole.

    Everyone's entitled to their opinion :)


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    #143
    Bipolar Joe
    Registered Users Posts: 3,443 ✭✭✭Bipolar Joe


    Well, at least my opinion appears to be fairly well-founded, so I got that going on.


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    #144
    alex73
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    soterpisc wrote: »
    Men who have to pay for Sex are not real men.
    If you can't get a woman to love you for who you are then its a pathetic reflection on you.

    Spot on correct.


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    #145
    Mickeroo
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    evry1sm8 wrote: »
    Well some of the girls that post on this forum seem to have pretty low standards as well, and sometimes not much of a clue when it comes to respecting themselves IMO...

    Ive seen posts from girls on here about how they are in open relationships with their boyfriends / partners, having no strings sex with other men...

    As far as my opinion goes, they should have more respect for themselves, they are not animals- they are human women!!! And they have partners!!!
    I think it makes them cheap.
    If they are happy with being cheap themselves, then its no surprise they feel the same about other women and their value.

    You're clearly superior to every other female poster on here, well done on that.


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    #146
    evry1sm8
    Closed Accounts Posts: 284 ✭✭evry1sm8


    Mickeroo wrote: »
    You're clearly superior to every other female poster on here, well done on that.

    Thanks, what a nice thing to say :)

    Every other female poster though, dont you think thats going a bit too far?


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    #147
    Min
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,550 ✭✭✭Min


    Nulty wrote: »
    Thats "victims of trafficking", not the run of the mill "lady of the night" we are trying to talk about. No one condones trafficking and sex slaves.

    How can you tell if they are trafficked or not?

    Do you go upto one and say "Hi, have you being trafficked into the country? I have certain standards and refuse to use trafficked prositutes."
    You wouldn't get the truth as thes people are under pressure to make the money.


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    #148
    evry1sm8
    Closed Accounts Posts: 284 ✭✭evry1sm8


    Min wrote: »
    How can you tell if they are trafficked or not?

    Do you go upto one and say "Hi, have you being trafficked into the country? I have certain standards and refuse to use trafficked prositutes."
    You wouldn't get the truth as thes people are under pressure to make the money.

    Very true.


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    #149
    Lord TSC
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    Min wrote: »
    How can you tell if they are trafficked or not?

    Do you go upto one and say "Hi, have you being trafficked into the country? I have certain standards and refuse to use trafficked prositutes."
    You wouldn't get the truth as thes people are under pressure to make the money.

    Which is why if it was legalised, you'd be able to check if it was a "registered" service provider or not.


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    #150
    Nulty
    Registered Users Posts: 7,838 ✭✭✭Nulty


    Min wrote: »
    How can you tell if they are trafficked or not?

    Do you go upto one and say "Hi, have you being trafficked into the country? I have certain standards and refuse to use trafficked prositutes."
    You wouldn't get the truth as thes people are under pressure to make the money.

    Oh, look! Another well formulated parameter has just passed you by!

    ASSUME that my best friend, whom I have known all my life and consequently theirs too, decides she wants to become an escort. Do you think any less of her than you would my other best friend who lives in a council flat down the way and has no other option than to apply for a job collecting my rubbish on Monday mornings? Both are potentially perceived to be demeaning jobs but one person CHOSE their profession and the other was OBLIGED to enter theirs.


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    #151
    evry1sm8
    Closed Accounts Posts: 284 ✭✭evry1sm8


    Nulty wrote: »
    Oh, look! Another well formulated parameter has just passed you by!

    ASSUME that my best friend, whom I have known all my life and consequently theirs too, decides she wants to become an escort. Do you think any less of her than you would my other best friend who lives in a council flat down the way and has no other option than to apply for a job collecting my rubbish on Monday mornings? Both are potentially perceived to be demeaning jobs but one person CHOSE their profession and the other was OBLIGED to enter theirs.

    If she is willing to have sex with men for money then yes, I would.
    Collecting rubbish as a job is not demeaning or selling yourself short. :confused:
    Massive difference there


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