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  • #10562
    Sardonicat
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,446 ✭✭✭✭Sardonicat


    JonathanAnon wrote: »
    *switches back to see possible assassination and conspiracy theory on TV3*

    ah ffs.. can we use METAPHOR tags please..

    I was quoting the presenter. She felt a dagger through her heart when she heard the news of increased class sizes because she's a mother.


  • #10563
    ShamoBuc
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 35,551 CMod ✭✭✭✭ShamoBuc


    MrsD007 wrote: »
    I agree, what about kids who need SNAs but no longer have access to them.

    The class teacher teaches them the same as every other child in the class of 28/30/32/34 etc which is not good for anyone really.


  • #10564
    Sardonicat
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,446 ✭✭✭✭Sardonicat


    ShamoBuc wrote: »
    The class teacher teaches them the same as every other child in the class of 28/30/32/34 etc which is not good for anyone really.

    Or they loose their place in maisntream school.


  • #10565
    ShamoBuc
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 35,551 CMod ✭✭✭✭ShamoBuc


    Skid wrote: »
    Education budgets are being cut.

    They can't cut Teachers pay.

    Only thing left is class numbers, less Teachers on the same conditions.

    Well they did already cut them by 20% and lowered pay levels for every new teacher including their pensions rights - and Croke Park was Government driven remember.


  • #10566
    Lady Chatterton
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,585 ✭✭✭✭Lady Chatterton


    ShamoBuc wrote: »
    The class teacher teaches them the same as every other child in the class of 28/30/32/34 etc which is not good for anyone really.
    We have a crazy situation where teachers are being paid €50 - €55 per hour to teach special needs kids at home when they can't attend their local primary school because an SNA hasn't been approved. It's a false ecomony, SNAs cost about €17 per hour.


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  • #10567
    JonathanAnon
    Closed Accounts Posts: 23,718 ✭✭✭✭JonathanAnon


    Her sister went to "De Tek"


  • #10568
    ShamoBuc
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 35,551 CMod ✭✭✭✭ShamoBuc


    Sardonicat wrote: »
    Or they loose their place in maisntream school.

    Their place in mainstream school is guaranteed - the conditions in that school will have changed unfortunately.


  • #10569
    Skid
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,873 ✭✭✭Skid


    ShamoBuc wrote: »
    Well they did already cut them by 20% and lowered pay levels for every new teacher including their pensions rights - and Croke Park was Government driven remember.

    Oh, they were very happy to stick the knife in for new teachers starting in the next few years.

    As long as they keep their early retirement, year and a half tax free gratuity and Pensions worth over a million euro, the unions don't care what happens to anyone else.


  • #10570
    ShamoBuc
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 35,551 CMod ✭✭✭✭ShamoBuc


    MrsD007 wrote: »
    We have a crazy situation where teachers are being paid €50 - €55 per hour to teach special needs kids at home when they can't attend their local primary school because an SNA hasn't been approved. It's a false ecomony, SNAs cost about €17 per hour.

    The work of an SNA is only really seen (by some) when you take it away.
    Which is a pity.


  • #10571
    Sardonicat
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,446 ✭✭✭✭Sardonicat


    ShamoBuc wrote: »
    Their place in mainstream school is guaranteed - the conditions in that school will have changed unfortunately.

    Did i not hear of some cases where parents were being told that their kids couldnt attend a particular school because they had lost their snas?


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  • #10572
    JonathanAnon
    Closed Accounts Posts: 23,718 ✭✭✭✭JonathanAnon


    The presenter is showing no sign of nerves... or ANY other emotion...


  • #10573
    Lady Chatterton
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,585 ✭✭✭✭Lady Chatterton


    ShamoBuc wrote: »
    Their place in mainstream school is guaranteed - the conditions in that school will have changed unfortunately.
    Bullsh1t - Boards of Managements often refuse admission to special needs kids where an SNA hasn't been assigned.


  • #10574
    scargill
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,684 ✭✭✭scargill


    blackdog2 wrote: »
    ??? No, its not the case, I know 2 of his daughters, definitely went to public schools

    lots of googling - took a while - it was 7 years ago that it was brought up !!

    Rabbitte dismisses school criticism
    Monday, May 24, 2004

    By Michael O’Farrell, Political Reporter
    LABOUR leader Pat Rabbitte yesterday dismissed criticism from Junior Justice Minister Willie O’Dea of his choice to send one of his children to a private, fee-paying school.

    Minister O’Dea criticised the Labour leader because Mr Rabbitte’s daughter had completed the last year of her Leaving Certificate in the €5,000 per annum Ashfield College. Mr O’Dea said this highlighted a conflict between Labour Party policy and Mr Rabbitte’s actions.


    Read more: http://www.irishexaminer.com/archives/2004/0524/ireland/rabbitte-dismisses-school-criticism-332980353.html#ixzz1U6WioqYW


  • #10575
    ShamoBuc
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 35,551 CMod ✭✭✭✭ShamoBuc


    Skid wrote: »
    Oh, they were very happy to stick the knife in for new teachers starting in the next few years.

    As long as they keep their early retirement, year and a half tax free gratuity and Pensions worth over a million euro, the unions don't care what happens to anyone else.

    Well, the unions were around the table and got the best for their members, that's their job afterall. They obviously did not want the entry level to be lowered but it happened. Unions don't always get what they want.


  • #10576
    Skid
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,873 ✭✭✭Skid


    Pat Rabitte is sitting back, letting the others have their chat, as if it has nothing to do with him.


  • #10577
    Sardonicat
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,446 ✭✭✭✭Sardonicat


    ShamoBuc wrote: »
    Well, the unions were around the table and got the best for their members, that's their job afterall. They obviously did not want the entry level to be lowered but it happened. Unions don't always get what they want.

    Members more important than the kids?


  • #10578
    Lady Chatterton
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,585 ✭✭✭✭Lady Chatterton


    JonathanAnon wrote: »
    The presenter is showing no sign of nerves... or ANY other emotion...
    She isn't displaying much of a personality either though.


  • #10579
    jos28
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,259 ✭✭✭jos28


    The entire debate is somewhat futile when you consider that the 2011 education budget is €895m and €100m of that is being used to fund private schools !! Stop funding private schools and use the €100m more productively.


  • #10580
    ShamoBuc
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 35,551 CMod ✭✭✭✭ShamoBuc


    MrsD007 wrote: »
    Bullsh1t - Boards of Managements often refuse admission to special needs kids where an SNA hasn't been assigned.
    I've personally never heard of that happening to be fair. I've not seen that in any Admissions Policy of a school.


  • #10581
    Callan57
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,160 ✭✭✭Callan57


    The ASTI doesn't give a fiddlers dam for the kids .... all they are concerned with is the pay & conditions of their members. They should be honest enough to say that up front and stop playing this 'we're concerned for the children' card
    :mad:


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  • #10582
    Skid
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,873 ✭✭✭Skid


    ShamoBuc wrote: »
    Well, the unions were around the table and got the best for their members, that's their job afterall. They obviously did not want the entry level to be lowered but it happened. Unions don't always get what they want.


    I don't blame the Unions. they have continually got great deals for their workers.

    I blame the culture which grew in Bertie Ahern's time where cash was thrown at any problem which the 'Social Partners' had. The Government needs to stand their ground and fight at times, not go through a charade of negotiations which leaves a burden of an unaffordable and unsustainable Public Sector wage and pension bill.


  • #10583
    steelcityblues
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,630 ✭✭✭steelcityblues


    Just switched over a few mins ago.

    Who is the presenter with the clipped tone? Not a familiar face to me at all.


  • #10584
    ShamoBuc
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 35,551 CMod ✭✭✭✭ShamoBuc


    Sardonicat wrote: »
    Members more important than the kids?

    Well if the Unions fought for no increase in the PTR ( which they did)- it's obviously going to aid children and teachers alike.


  • #10585
    Callan57
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,160 ✭✭✭Callan57


    steelcityblues wrote: »
    Just switched over a few mins ago.

    Who is the presenter with the clipped tone? Not a familiar face to me at all.

    You're not the only one ... another one of those Senators doing a nixer I think


  • #10586
    Skid
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,873 ✭✭✭Skid


    Right now, all the guests are wondering

    'Did she bring any chocolates for us' ?:)


  • #10587
    Lady Chatterton
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,585 ✭✭✭✭Lady Chatterton


    ShamoBuc wrote: »
    I've personally never heard of that happening to be fair. I've not seen that in any Admissions Policy of a school.
    There have been lots of reports in our newspapers about special needs kids that have been refused places because the boards of management have concerns about their safety in the absence of an SNA.

    http://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/stopped-in-his-tracks-157926.html


  • #10588
    ShamoBuc
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 35,551 CMod ✭✭✭✭ShamoBuc


    Skid wrote: »
    I don't blame the Unions. they have continually got great deals for their workers.

    I blame the culture which grew in Bertie Ahern's time where cash was thrown at any problem which the 'Social Partners' had. The Government needs to stand their ground and fight at times, not go through a charade of negotiations which leaves a burden of an unaffordable and unsustainable Public Sector wage and pension bill.

    I agree. I know of students that had SNA's assigned to them - that did not need them at all, Full Time SNA's at that. Unfortunately, the complete opposite is happening now. Children who deserve and NEED an SNA might not get them.


  • #10589
    Sardonicat
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,446 ✭✭✭✭Sardonicat


    ShamoBuc wrote: »
    Well if the Unions fought for no increase in the PTR ( which they did)- it's obviously going to aid children and teachers alike.

    Well, something had to give, didn't it?

    And it wasnt going to be their pay/pensions/holidays etc. etc.

    It was the SNAs and class sizes.


  • #10590
    Lady Chatterton
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,585 ✭✭✭✭Lady Chatterton


    steelcityblues wrote: »
    Just switched over a few mins ago.

    Who is the presenter with the clipped tone? Not a familiar face to me at all.
    She owns Lily O'Brien's chocolates and she is a Senator too.


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  • #10591
    irishh_bob
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,700 ✭✭✭irishh_bob


    ShamoBuc wrote: »
    Really? Explain please.

    if you go fishing but decide to spend all your money on a pair of wellingtons , you may end up having to make do without a rod


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