Catholic Church claims it is above the law

Rabidlamb · 15-07-2011 02:07PM

I for one blame those sexy children.

It is still Ah isn't it, phew.

COYW · 15-07-2011 02:07PM

Ghost Buster wrote: »

Im not part of that church but i am a citizen of the state. A state which has no obligation to take peoples belief in superstition and magic into account.

Of course it does. Surely you can't be suggesting that we banish all forms of Christianity because of the actions of a section, the hierarchy for the most part, of the Catholic church. Any actual Christian would be utterly disgusted by the actions of these people.

15-07-2011 02:07PM

suicide_circus wrote: »

Its not a loophole though, thats just what Alan Shattmypants would have you believe so that you think he's "doing something about it"...this law will protect no children, jail no paedos and change nothing, its just to temporarily subdue the baying mob.

You think a law making it mandatory to pass on details of suspected child sexual abuse to authorities is not a good idea?

suicide_circus · 15-07-2011 02:07PM

koth wrote: »

where's the problem then?

Because its a fcukin waste of precious time and money as it achieves nothing but create sensationalist headlines and boards.ie threads.

NTMK · 15-07-2011 02:08PM

Wolfe Tone wrote: »

Confession is a vital part of catholicism, this would destroy it.

Before priests have been imprisoned and even martyred over this, so there will be no change.

I'd rather have that destroyed than the lives of children

Seachmall · 15-07-2011 02:10PM

Wolfe Tone wrote: »

Confession is a vital part of catholicism, this would destroy it.

Protecting children is far more important than protecting those who confess crimes of child abuse.

Before priests have been imprisoned and even martyred over this, so there will be no change.

I have no problem with them being martyred as long as they serve time for failing to protect children.

Delirium · 15-07-2011 02:10PM

suicide_circus wrote: »

Because its a fcukin waste of precious time and money as it achieves nothing but create sensationalist headlines and boards.ie threads.

Yeah, shame on the government for requiring everyone to report all instances of child abuse. The inhuman monsters.:rolleyes:

15-07-2011 02:11PM

Wolfe Tone wrote: »

Confession is a vital part of catholicism, this would destroy it.

Punching people in the face was an important part of Fight Club until we brought in those repressive assault laws

suicide_circus · 15-07-2011 02:12PM

28064212 wrote: »

You think a law making it mandatory to pass on details of suspected child sexual abuse to authorities is not a good idea?

You think anyones gonna confess to being a paedo if they know their confessor will shop them? And how can you prove any of it?!

Prosecution: " did Fr. P. Doe tell you of the abuse he committed during his confession?"

Priest:"no."

Prosecution"......"

admiralofthefleet · 15-07-2011 02:13PM

im proud of the fact my son wont have anything to do with this cult of pure evil

Latchy · 15-07-2011 02:14PM

suicide_circus wrote: »

Because its a fcukin waste of precious time and money as it achieves nothing but create sensationalist headlines and boards.ie threads.

Niether which are going to go away ...thankfully :rolleyes:

If the Catholic church was ever looking to push away and loose more and more members , they only have to keep up this one rule for us but another for everybody else mentality .

15-07-2011 02:14PM

suicide_circus wrote: »

You think anyones gonna congress to being a paedo if they know their confessor will shop them? And how can you prove any of it?!

The same way any crime is proved, to a point beyond reasonable doubt.

Just so we're clear: you think that we should not have a law that makes it mandatory to pass on details of suspected child sexual abuse to authorities?

Seachmall · 15-07-2011 02:15PM

suicide_circus wrote: »

You think anyones gonna confess to being a paedo if they know their confessor will shop them? And how can you prove any of it?!

Prosecution: " did Fr. P. Doe tell you of the abuse he committed during his confession?"

Priest:"no."

Prosecution"......"

The Priest most likely won't lie after swearing on the bible.

suicide_circus · 15-07-2011 02:16PM

koth wrote: »

Yeah, shame on the government for requiring everyone to report all instances of child abuse. The inhuman monsters.:rolleyes:

Yeah thats what I'm saying....
How about the state stops relying on single old virgins in weird gowns to educate children?

Latchy · 15-07-2011 02:16PM

admiralofthefleet wrote: »

im proud of the fact my son wont have anything to do with this cult of pure evil

My son is of the same opinion and he's a good person who knows he doesn't need this lot in his life .

dvpower · 15-07-2011 02:18PM

suicide_circus wrote: »

And how can you prove any of it?!

Prosecution: " did Fr. P. Doe tell you of the abuse he committed during his confession?"

Priest:"no."

Prosecution"......"

Priest lies on oath to avoid prosecution for an offence he knows he has committed?
I've a higher regard for most priests than that.

mloc · 15-07-2011 02:18PM

Why are people confessing to a priest if they aren't confessing to the state?

Italia · 15-07-2011 02:18PM

dvpower wrote: »

The government is bringing in mandatory reporting - it will apply across a range of areas, not just the confession box.

Mandatory reporting?
Well (and you can save this) here's one person that will NOT be complying with a knee-jerk law. And NO, I'm not condoning Cloyne or any abuse.

Knasher · 15-07-2011 02:18PM

suicide_circus wrote: »

Because its a fcukin waste of precious time and money as it achieves nothing but create sensationalist headlines and boards.ie threads.

What I suspect the government is trying to do is force the church to take it seriously, which is clearly isn't so far, by pointing out how far the legal measures it is willing to put into place will go if the church doesn't conform to the guidelines. It is posturing and I suspect they have no intention of forcing priests to break confessional vows (which they have the legal right to do so), but if this is what gets the church to take this stuff seriously, then it is hardly a waste of time or money.

suicide_circus · 15-07-2011 02:19PM

Seachmall wrote: »

The Priest most likely won't lie after swearing on the bible.

I think its been established that some priest have no problem lying under any circumstances

Delirium · 15-07-2011 02:19PM

suicide_circus wrote: »

Yeah thats what I'm saying....
How about the state stops relying on single old virgins in weird gowns to educate children?

won't get any argument from me on that one.

But that doesn't do anything to resolve the problem of priests/bishops not reporting instances of child abuse to the police.

15-07-2011 02:19PM

Italia wrote: »

Mandatory reporting?
Well (and you can save this) here's one person that will NOT be complying with a knee-jerk law. And NO, I'm not condoning Cloyne or any abuse.

...so if you get details of suspected child sexual abuse, you're not going to pass it on to the authorities?

admiralofthefleet · 15-07-2011 02:21PM

Latchy wrote: »

My son is of the same opinion and he's a good person who knows he doesn't need this lot in his life .

my son is due in october and we have made the decision not to have him involved in the catholic cult at all. it annoyed a few members of our families but whenever they bring the subject of christening up i just quote the reports and the damage that evil cult did to peoples lives

dvpower · 15-07-2011 02:21PM

Italia wrote: »

Mandatory reporting?
Well (and you can save this) here's one person that will NOT be complying with a knee-jerk law. And NO, I'm not condoning Cloyne or any abuse.

Of course your not condoning abuse. You just don't rate it as high as as canon law.

Seachmall · 15-07-2011 02:22PM

suicide_circus wrote: »

I think its been established that some priest have no problem lying under any circumstances

True, but as this law applies under all circumstances (not just confessions) we will be able to prove some knowingly ignored the fact children were being abused and we can prosecute them.

Also, to those saying it will destroy confession: It won't. It may stop child abusers from confessing their sins but that's hardly justification for preventing the law, is it?

dvpower · 15-07-2011 02:23PM

suicide_circus wrote: »

I think its been established that some priest have no problem lying under any circumstances

... and some people want to give these people an exemption from the mandatory reporting requirement.

Italia · 15-07-2011 02:23PM

If you're Catholic, then you follow ALL the requirements. There isn't a middle way where you can cherry pick. It's an all or nothing.
You don't like confession (or other parts), fine. its your choice...but you also give up ALL the rest (whatever it may be - good or bad).

Latchy wrote: »

The idea that I would have to go to confess ' my sins ' to some dude with a coller around his neck is so outdated but if people wish to do this as part of their Catholic faith then so be it .

Magic Beans · 15-07-2011 02:25PM

Italia wrote: »

If you're Catholic, then you follow ALL the requirements. There isn't a middle way where you can cherry pick. It's an all or nothing.
You don't like confession (or other parts), fine. its your choice...but you also give up ALL the rest (whatever it may be - good or bad).

Show me Catholic who does that and I'll show you a liar.

Dyr · 15-07-2011 02:25PM

admiralofthefleet wrote: »

my son is due in october and we have made the decision not to have him involved in the catholic cult at all. it annoyed a few members of our families but whenever they bring the subject of christening up i just quote the reports and the damage that evil cult did to peoples lives

Stick to your guns..you'll be suprised at how many relatives etc get their backs up I'd say.

Delirium · 15-07-2011 02:26PM

Italia wrote: »

If you're Catholic, then you follow ALL the requirements. There isn't a middle way where you can cherry pick. It's an all or nothing.
You don't like confession (or other parts), fine. its your choice...but you also give up ALL the rest (whatever it may be - good or bad).

Unless you're Irish, then you can have pre-martial sex.

Catholic Church claims it is above the law

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