Race hate gang in Temple Bar orgy of violence [mod note #1]

gbee · 08-07-2011 02:18PM

They are just reinforcing racial stereotypes.

stovelid · 08-07-2011 02:20PM

Mena wrote: »

yes

Bah, you changed your post !

English South African.

/Ninja-bow. :pac:

KeithM89_old · 08-07-2011 02:21PM

old_aussie wrote: »

Waiting for Dudess to come to their rescue.

No need for that.

stevenmu · 08-07-2011 02:22PM

Killer Wench wrote: »

And, why use the term African?

Has it occured to you that maybe they are African, and that's the reason that they were described as such. If they were from Cork the article would have said they were Cork, if they were from Leitrim the article would say they were from Leitrim. Maybe if it says they're African they actually are from Africa?

CreepingDeath · 08-07-2011 02:23PM

charlemont wrote: »

No matter what colour they are, I reckon they were on something strong.

I don't.

I've seen and experienced black violence, and they were caught in front of 90 witnesses and got probation.
This is only the beginning, it's only going to get worse for sure.

The newspapers hide these incidents to try to avoid retaliation and escalation.

I've also seen black schoolkids shadow-boxing their way to schools.
You can be sure your children will be bullied by them in the future.

Spread · 08-07-2011 02:24PM

Killer Wench wrote: »

Because their parents may have been from an African country but they could have been born in Ireland and have been citizens since birth. Wouldn't that make them Irish, also?

And, why use the term African? Is that supposed to be the same as saying Black? Why aren't they identified by their country of origin if they aren't Irish? Why not say a group of Somali, Sudanese, Egyptian, etc. youth?

For the same reason that they did not name the counties that the victims came from. I guess.

RichieC · 08-07-2011 02:26PM

stevenmu wrote: »

Has it occured to you that maybe they are African, and that's the reason that they were described as such. If they were from Cork the article would have said they were Cork, if they were from Leitrim the article would say they were from Leitrim. Maybe if it says they're African they actually are from Africa?

Africa is a Continent, Cork and Leitrim are rather more specific than that.

these guys need to do hard time and kick out the non nationals... we shouldnt even spend money on jailing them.

Burgo · 08-07-2011 02:26PM

Spread wrote: »

For the same reason that they did not name the counties that the victims came from. I guess.

From the quote in the OP it states that the victims were from Dublin.

Killer Wench · 08-07-2011 02:27PM

stevenmu wrote: »

Has it occured to you that maybe they are African, and that's the reason that they were described as such. If they were from Cork the article would have said they were Cork, if they were from Leitrim the article would say they were from Leitrim. Maybe if it says they're African they actually are from Africa?

Africa isn't one country. Lazily mentioning that they are African, really points a finger at the entire African community in Ireland. If they are native to a specific country in Africa, why not identify them as such? Let's say that the orgy was committed by a group of Indonesians, would the article say a group of Asians? How about if they were Serbian, would the article say a group of Europeans? Or, what if they were Brazilian, would the article say a group of South Americans?

munchkin_utd · 08-07-2011 02:27PM

as an Irish emmigrant abroad myself, I value the fact that I am a guest in someone elses country and find it 100% right when people (as happens occasionally in Germany) get turfed out after commiting violent crime.

I hope these lads who came to Ireland presumably to build a better life for themselves get sent back to where they came from seeing as they have no respect for the country, nor its people, nor their welcome.
(presuming that they are guilty of the mentioned offences obviously!)

TwoShedsJackson · 08-07-2011 02:27PM

CreepingDeath wrote: »

I don't.

I've seen and experienced black violence, and they were caught in front of 90 witnesses and got probation.
This is only the beginning, it's only going to get worse for sure.

The newspapers hide these incidents to try to avoid retaliation and escalation.

I've also seen black schoolkids shadow-boxing their way to schools.
You can be sure your children will be bullied by them in the future.

I've seen white schoolkids kicking cars, swearing at passersby and hitting other schoolkids (black, white, whatever).

But it's okay because at least they're not black, right?

Hermy · 08-07-2011 02:27PM

Wolfe Tone wrote: »

How is it ironic? If they are foreign, and they did this, they should be chucked out of Ireland. Wanting criminals deported is not racist.

Because in a thread about racism you state that if the people in this case aren't Irish they should be packed off back to whatever country they are from which could be construed as a racist sentiment.

Killer Wench · 08-07-2011 02:28PM

Spread wrote: »

For the same reason that they did not name the counties that the victims came from. I guess.

And, the article mentions that they are from Dublin and I believe also said that they were Irish victims.

Wile E. Coyote · 08-07-2011 02:29PM

Never mind...

Spacedog · 08-07-2011 02:29PM

Isn't it good to see immigrants accepting and adapting to our finest scumbag culture. Head stamping at 3:30 has been an age old Temple Bar tradition.

This is also the first time a garda investigation into a temple bar head kicking has ever gone past the form filling stage. it's funny how they admit to never seeing this kind of violence before, as it's true that nightshift Gardai always take their break hour at 3am when the clubs empty, and come back at 4am to call ambulances and take statements.

Next (or any) Saturday night at 3:30am pop down to temple bar square, order a coffee and sit there for 15 mins, I guarantee you the pisshead circus will put on for you the greatest show on earth.

Killer Wench · 08-07-2011 02:32PM

CreepingDeath wrote: »

I don't.

I've seen and experienced black violence, and they were caught in front of 90 witnesses and got probation.
This is only the beginning, it's only going to get worse for sure.

The newspapers hide these incidents to try to avoid retaliation and escalation.

I've also seen black schoolkids shadow-boxing their way to schools.
You can be sure your children will be bullied by them in the future.

And, I saw a youth walking down Henry Street approach another youth and then kick him in the face (yeah, yeah, Face Kicker and all that). Those two youth happen to be White. I am assuming that they were Irish from overhearing their accents.

Black people aren't inherently more violent than non-Blacks, so let's not jump to the ridiculous.

Wolfe Tone · 08-07-2011 02:33PM

Hermy wrote: »

Because in a thread about racism you state that if the people in this case aren't Irish they should be packed off back to whatever country they are from which could be construed as a racist sentiment.

The article calls them African which suggests strongly they are foreign. I added the "if" as it is not beyond the realms of possibility that the paper got it wrong and they are Irish.

Besides, its not a racist sentiment. Foreign criminals should be deported, especially for repeated violent crimes. Doesn't matter if they are white or black.

Fratton Fred · 08-07-2011 02:35PM

How was this racially motivated? Did they specifically target white or Irish people, or was it just indiscriminate violence?

Is this being labelled as racially motivated purely because it was a group of black guys beating up a load of white guys?

wes · 08-07-2011 02:36PM

If there found guilty, hopefully they thrown the book at them.

RichieC · 08-07-2011 02:37PM

Killer Wench wrote: »

Black people aren't inherently more violent than non-Blacks, so let's not jump to the ridiculous.

Pretty sad this even has to be said in this day and age.. there's savage beatings every day in this country involving our best and brightest own. remember those rugby school toffs murdering the kid outside the nightclub? yea all rugby school toffs are potential murderers..

CreepingDeath · 08-07-2011 02:41PM

Killer Wench wrote: »

Black people aren't inherently more violent than non-Blacks, so let's not jump to the ridiculous.

What do you base that on ? ( Apart from a naive idea of equality )
It's inherently racist to think that everyone is equal in every way.

Africa is far from civilised, and some of these immigrants grew up in seriously messed up cultures and areas.

My name is URL · 08-07-2011 02:41PM

I just can't take anything printed in the Herald seriously.. Does this story appear anywhere that doesn't need to capatalise random nouns?

Badgermonkey · 08-07-2011 02:42PM

Mena wrote: »

English South African.

A frightful Boer

mattjack · 08-07-2011 02:44PM

Killer Wench wrote: »

Because their parents may have been from an African country but they could have been born in Ireland and have been citizens since birth. Wouldn't that make them Irish, also?

And, why use the term African? Is that supposed to be the same as saying Black? Why aren't they identified by their country of origin if they aren't Irish? Why not say a group of Somali, Sudanese, Egyptian, etc. youth?

You are right..its entirely possible they are Irish citizens or have residency etc. but Im not sure if their country of origin is relevant.Comments about dropping from planes,returning to their own country etc are just idiotic not even racist

RichieC · 08-07-2011 02:44PM

CreepingDeath wrote: »

What do you base that on ? ( Apart from a naive idea of equality )
It's inherently racist to think that everyone is equal in every way.

Africa is far from civilised, and some of these immigrants grew up in seriously messed up cultures and areas.

Lets have your cards on the table here just for the sake of your argument.

You're racist aren't you?

desertcircus · 08-07-2011 02:45PM

CreepingDeath wrote: »

Killer Wench wrote: »

Black people aren't inherently more violent than non-Blacks, so let's not jump to the ridiculous.

What do you base that on ? ( Apart from a naive idea of equality )
It's inherently racist to think that everyone is equal in every way.

Africa is far from civilised, and some of these immigrants grew up in seriously messed up cultures and areas.

Racism: now apparently the same as its opposite. Do you have the slightest shred of evidence for your sweeping assumption that black people are more violent than white?

Hermy · 08-07-2011 02:47PM

Wolfe Tone wrote: »

The article calls them African which suggests strongly they are foreign. I added the "if" as it is not beyond the realms of possibility that the paper got it wrong and they are Irish.

Besides, its not a racist sentiment. Foreign criminals should be deported, especially for repeated violent crimes. Doesn't matter if they are white or black.

What has skin colour got to do with it?
Do you still identify peoples nationality thus?

08-07-2011 02:50PM

Hermy wrote: »

What has skin colour got to do with it?
Do you still identify peoples nationality thus?

I think he's saying that skin colour is irrelevant?

arybvtcw0eolkf · 08-07-2011 02:50PM

These attacks are common knowledge to those of us who are working around the Templebar area.

In fact around the time of the incident being reported here there were threads posted in relation to attacks and muggings by black African youths in the Templebar area which were promptly locked and/or deleted.

But!.

Yes there's a but, Templebar can be a violent area and in particular along the quays were there is a scarce Garda presence - (read non-existant) and attacks are carried out by lots of other gangs apart from the Africans.. Try hanging around Westmoreland Street & Aston Quay bus stops for a night and see the craic!... Its sickening.

But African gangs aren't the worse around that area, I'd be more weiry of the Bally'er, Tallaght & Blanch scumbags hanging around their bus stops and outside the Spar's and Centra's which do a roaring off licence sale in the area.

Mind the East European gangs too, vicious bastards altogether.

Burgo · 08-07-2011 02:51PM

Hermy wrote: »

What has skin colour got to do with it?
Do you still identify peoples nationality thus?

Where in Wolfe Tones quote does it say any of that?