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  • 05-07-2011 11:28pm
    #1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,127 ✭✭✭ironingbored


    Sinister alternative to teaching of religion
    Fri, Jul 01, 2011

    Tom Hickey proposed the discontinuance of the practice of educating a child for the life he/she will live, writes JOHN WATERS

    THE MOST disquieting article I have read in this newspaper for some time was published last Friday under the byline of Tom Hickey. It was a relief to note that the author was not the great Irish actor, who once inhabited the personality of Benjy Riordan, but, instead, a fully-accessorised product of our university system, having recently completed a PhD on “republican liberty” at NUI Galway.

    The article was headed “‘Common’ schools best in transmitting civic values”. As with most contributions on education these days, it soon became clear that it was an implicit denunciation of teaching religion to children, although this argument was partly camouflaged by the advocacy of “non-denominational” or “common” schools.

    While not demanding an outright ban on religious involvement in education, Hickey argued that the “legitimacy” of religious denominational schools should depend on their capability to develop “the appropriate skills and attitudes” in their students. By this he appeared to mean that religious schools might be tolerated if they abandoned the teaching of religion. The article identified four headings under which an assessment of the educative legitimacy of schools must be conducted: civic patriotism; understanding and contesting power; the common good, including awareness of interdependence and inequalities; and “reasonable pluralism”, ie, an awareness of different outlooks and beliefs.

    Children educated in “common schools”, Hickey asserted, are more likely to acquire the correct understandings of citizenship under these four headings. To ensure that the prescribed values-systems are correctly transmitted, religious schools must be “restricted in significant ways” by the State.

    Hickey stated rather coherently the view of education now standard-issue within media, the political system and, increasingly, the education system itself. Outwardly, this appears to propose a “neutral” form of education, stripped of the particularities of particular faiths. But it also wilfully misunderstands what education is – the introduction of the child to a total relationship with reality – and what religion is, conflating the essence of religion with its institutional expression and interpreting faith as an add-on interpretation of life and the world, at odds with the “neutral” understandings being proposed.

    Properly understood, religion enables the opening up of the child’s natural understanding of his/her own structure and relationship with the totality of reality. True education involves the proffering of a tradition in its entirety, together with the freedom to interrogate it. Its fundamental objective is not the “inculcation” of anything, still less the indoctrination of values or beliefs. That Irish Catholicism has tended to misunderstand the meaning of the word “freedom” is insufficient reason to replace a stunted form of propaganda with an outrightly sinister one.

    Hickey proposes the discontinuance of the practice of educating a child for the life he or she will live, substituting for this a process of indoctrinating each child in an ideological version of reality in which he or she is to be regarded as just another atom. Among the many ingredients missing from this prescription is the nurturing of the subjectivity of the child in the mysteriousness of reality.

    Reading down Hickey’s argument, it soon became clear that what might casually be read as the “neutral” values he wishes to have conveyed to our children are in fact deeply and specifically ideological. Children, he declared, must be taught about science “independently of religious doctrine”, as though it were obvious that science and religion are in opposition to one another.

    Schools must be open to staff and students from outside their particular faith denominations, who must be accommodated on an equal footing, an insistence that would seem ipso facto to demolish the specificity of any given religious understanding of reality. The most chilling thing about Hickey’s article was the repeated use of the phrase “child citizen”, which must have caused Orwell to turn repeatedly in his grave on account of his failure to think it up when writing 1984.

    It appears that the correct understandings of democracy and citizenship to be “inculcated” into “child citizens” involve not just a capacity to maintain checks on those in the public realm, but also the capability of “critically assessing” their own “inherited religious or non-religious commitments” in what Hickey intriguingly described as “the so-called private sphere”. Advocating caution against “child citizens” remaining “permanently in thrall” to the beliefs of their parents, Hickey expressed no view on the dangers of children remaining “in thrall” to the ideological perspectives to be “inculcated” on behalf of the State.

    Such is the reduced nature of understandings in our culture that these prescriptions may now appear unexceptionable. When we return, however, to the core mission of education – to prepare a child for life, as opposed to for an economy, a civic space, or even a republic – it becomes clear that what is being proposed is the reduction of the experience of being human. The “child citizen” will be primed to live a life in the box built by man, governed by statutes and economics and approved thinking, closed off from most of the vast possibilities of existence, his hope deflated, her desire stunted, a citizen of a dictatorship of pseudo-pluralism, quasi-equality, reduced reason and, ultimately, nothingness.

    © 2011 The Irish Times

    Can anyone help me translate the parts in bold. I'm really struggling. :confused:
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Comments

  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,872 ✭✭✭strobe


    I think I'm going to be sick...


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,327 ✭✭✭AhSureTisGrand


    I have analysed John Waters' writing style in the past. All his articles go like this:
    *BIZARRE OPINION THAT MAKES NO SENSE*

    This is why I am right:


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    wafflewafflewafflewaffle



    My wafflewaffle has explained everything. My conclusion is perfectly reasonable. Those liberals are eejit devilspawn heathens


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,127 ✭✭✭ironingbored


    Good response to Waters' spurious piffle
    Sir, – Regarding John Waters’s attempt to defend religious control and indoctrination in Irish schools (Opinion, July 1st), first, the “child citizens” in the real republic where I reside do not emerge from their secular schools with their “hope deflated, desire stunted, a citizen of a dictatorship”. On the contrary, they tend to emerge with curious, eager and well trained minds, ready to play an active civic role. Second, it remains absolutely open to parents in France, as it would in Ireland, to inculcate in their children whatever sense they wish of the “mysteriousness of reality”. Why it is felt by some that this task should be delegated to state-trained and paid-for educators is perhaps the real mystery. – Yours, etc,


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,578 ✭✭✭✭Turtwig


    Yet again, I find myself bewildered about what exactly the requirement is to become a journalist.

    Spouting an opinion seems to be all they do these days. Honestly, just look at that trial in the U.S depressing **** the media is.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,141 ✭✭✭eoin5


    I have analysed John Waters' writing style in the past. All his articles go like this:

    I think this is a bit more accurate:
    *BIZARRE OPINION THAT MAKES NO SENSE*

    This is why I am right:


    wafflewaffle"waffle"wafflewafflewafflewafflewaffle"wafflewaffle"wafflewafflewaffle
    wafflewafflewaffle"waffle"wafflewafflewafflewaffle"waffle"waffle"wafflewaffle"waffle
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    wafflewaffle"wafflewaffle"


    My wafflewaffle has explained everything. My conclusion is perfectly reasonable. Those liberals are eejit devilspawn heathens


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 27,857 ✭✭✭✭Dave!


    I hate John Waters very muchly.


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,809 ✭✭✭CerebralCortex


    Oh wow, you actually bothered to read John Water's nonsense.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    Dave! wrote: »
    I hate John Waters very muchly.

    Your understanding of your own structure obviously hasn't been opened.


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 24,420 Mod ✭✭✭✭robindch


    I find it embarrassing that adults can read this kind of tendentious nonsense and and convince themselves he's actually representing the other side accurately and fairly.


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 50,167 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    i am crying, reading this.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 606 ✭✭✭bastados


    If you cant say something in a straight forward manner then I would think you dont fully grasp what it is your trying to saying...though I would say Waters likes to meander...he's a paid faffer after all.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,150 ✭✭✭✭Malari


    I heard him on Hook on Newstalk on Friday evening. He makes me sick! No-one on to correct him that the absence of religion in schools is not the same as being shouted at through the intercom that "THERE IS NO GOD" every hour.

    He refused to even listen to texts that were sent into the show because they were "anonymous".


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,196 ✭✭✭the culture of deference


    We have fools like waters spouting this nonsensical garbage, we have a church collapsing under the weight of the scandals, what does it say about the majority of people in ireland when this is acceptable. Why is anyone surprised.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 510 ✭✭✭feelpablo


    Properly understood, religion enables the opening up of the child’s natural understanding of his/her own structure and relationship with the totality of reality.

    Among the many ingredients missing from this prescription is the nurturing of the subjectivity of the child in the mysteriousness of reality.

    When is his great work of fiction going to be published :rolleyes:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 27,857 ✭✭✭✭Dave!


    robindch wrote: »
    I find it embarrassing that adults can read this kind of tendentious nonsense and and convince themselves he's actually representing the other side accurately and fairly.
    Indeed... I didn't read the original article, but there was a letter yesterday with absolutely no substance, which contributed nothing, but just fapped for 300 words or so about how awesome and deadly John Waters is for writing the article.

    Insane.


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,809 ✭✭✭CerebralCortex


    Dave! wrote: »
    Indeed... I didn't read the original article, but there was a letter yesterday with absolutely no substance, which contributed nothing, but just fapped for 300 words or so about how awesome and deadly John Waters is for writing the article.

    Insane.

    Link?


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 25,558 Mod ✭✭✭✭Dades


    I ain't reading that crap - but did anyone hear him on 1st July on George Hook's Newstalk show (Part 3)? The panel only had Hooky (who interestingly seems to be a sideline agnostic) and their US movie guy who is a Christian.

    Waters was nothing short of disgraceful calling some reasonable non-religious texter - who was a teacher in a catholic school - a bigot and that they should be fired for the views they held.

    Him and the US guy both referred to Stalin, Mao etc, sending me into spasms of fury (I'd had a stressful day). I sent a long text in but it never got read out.

    The show was a one-sided debacle.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,150 ✭✭✭✭Malari


    Dades wrote: »
    I ain't reading that crap - but did anyone hear him on 1st July on George Hook's Newstalk show (Part 3)? The panel only had Hooky (who interestingly seems to be a sideline agnostic) and their US movie guy who is a Christian.

    Waters was nothing short of disgraceful calling some reasonable non-religious texter - who was a teacher in a catholic school - a bigot and that they should be fired for the views they held.

    Him and the US guy both referred to Stalin, Mao etc, sending me into spasms of fury (I'd had a stressful day). I sent a long text in but it never got read out.

    The show was a one-sided debacle.

    Yeah, I mentioned it about 5 posts up! I was raging too, he was just plain wrong in his views about what secularism is and he was allowed waffle on.

    The trick to getting George to read a text seems to adding "bet you won't read this out!"


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,815 ✭✭✭Burgo


    Dades wrote: »
    I ain't reading that crap - but did anyone hear him on 1st July on George Hook's Newstalk show (Part 3)? The panel only had Hooky (who interestingly seems to be a sideline agnostic) and their US movie guy who is a Christian.

    Waters was nothing short of disgraceful calling some reasonable non-religious texter - who was a teacher in a catholic school - a bigot and that they should be fired for the views they held.

    Him and the US guy both referred to Stalin, Mao etc, sending me into spasms of fury (I'd had a stressful day). I sent a long text in but it never got read out.

    The show was a one-sided debacle.

    That was so very painful to listen to. And thanks for the link I was in a good mood before i listened to it :o


  • Moderators Posts: 51,847 ✭✭✭✭Delirium


    from Wa(lly)ters on Newstalk: "Education is not education without religion" :rolleyes:

    questioning beliefs is "an imposition on the religious parents":rolleyes:

    And there's nonsense about how the imagination, curiousity (almost their humanity) is stripped away if kids don't have religion in schools:rolleyes:

    I'm beginning to think he's currently posting in the education thread :pac:

    EDIT: bingo,in the podcast it is said that "atheism is based on a hatred of religion" :rolleyes:

    If you can read this, you're too close!



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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13,030 ✭✭✭✭Chuck Stone


    I think he's trying to say that moves to remove the religious influence (or at least it's essence - which he doesn't describe) in schools will leave children as nihilist husks with no feeling of purpose.

    On top of this I believe that he's trying to say that this goal has 'sinister' undertones. My personal intrepretation is that he is suggesting that 'the state' wants children all to itself so that they might be indoctrinated as unquestioning 'statists'.

    If he did mean this then why didn't he just say it that way?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,780 ✭✭✭liamw


    I've emailed him asking for a response to this thread


  • Moderators Posts: 51,847 ✭✭✭✭Delirium


    another "gem" from Waters "[atheists] are parasites on the morality of Christianity".

    When responding to criticism regarding him saying that atheists don't offer any morality to society.

    If you can read this, you're too close!



  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,780 ✭✭✭liamw


    bahaha
    Wikipedia wrote:
    On 26 November 2009, he contacted RTÉ's radio programme, Today with Pat Kenny, during an interview with Jimmy Wales to say that "only crackpots write for Wikipedia"

    "In an interview, he has described people of faith as "funnier, sharper and smarter" than atheists"....

    http://www.countmeout.ie/responses/mp3/CMO_4FM_150709.mp3


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,746 ✭✭✭✭Galvasean


    liamw wrote: »

    "In an interview, he has described people of faith as "funnier, sharper and smarter" than atheists"....

    ORLY?

    images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTKWUvJEZOl3CoAcH63dqhPrzpD0VAl3blfiEkR5gC8mTNc1dKg&t=1


    There is something about that Waters lad that creeps me out slightly. He doesn't so much strongly disagree with the concept of atheism, but seems to hate atheists entirely.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,323 ✭✭✭✭King Mob


    Galvasean wrote: »
    ORLY?

    images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTKWUvJEZOl3CoAcH63dqhPrzpD0VAl3blfiEkR5gC8mTNc1dKg&t=1

    And to add to that:
    orly_george_carlin.jpg


  • Moderators Posts: 51,847 ✭✭✭✭Delirium


    liamw wrote: »
    bahaha



    "In an interview, he has described people of faith as "funnier, sharper and smarter" than atheists"....

    even the guy in the coma? :eek::P

    great point though, "my gang is cooler than your gang.na na nana na!!!" :rolleyes:

    If you can read this, you're too close!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,127 ✭✭✭ironingbored


    I'd love to get #themysteriousnessofreality trending on Twitter


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,397 ✭✭✭Paparazzo


    How can anyone take the guy seriously? Remember he wrote the eurovision song for Ireland. He was on every radio show going on about what an amazing song it was.
    It finished last. Would have got zero points after every country voted only the last country gave us a few points!

    The guy is a joke of a journalist with a seriously over inflated opinion of himself. He's a poor mans Kevin Myres at trolling.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,397 ✭✭✭Paparazzo


    liamw wrote: »
    bahaha



    "In an interview, he has described people of faith as "funnier, sharper and smarter" than atheists"....

    http://www.countmeout.ie/responses/mp3/CMO_4FM_150709.mp3

    Dane Cook v Dara O'Briain


  • Registered Users Posts: 511 ✭✭✭tawnyowl


    Can anyone help me translate the parts in bold. I'm really struggling. :confused:

    Translating John Waters? I'm not entirely sure if different people reading some of his columns would agree on the meaning.

    His mention of Orwell was ironic - perhaps he hasn't read Animal Farm?


  • Registered Users Posts: 511 ✭✭✭tawnyowl


    I have analysed John Waters' writing style in the past. All his articles go like this:

    He's also very serious. He even has a serious beard.


  • Registered Users Posts: 511 ✭✭✭tawnyowl


    Malty_T wrote: »
    Yet again, I find myself bewildered about what exactly the requirement is to become a journalist.
    Sending in copy on a regular basis seems to be a major factor. Making sense of any kind seems increasingly optional.
    Spouting an opinion seems to be all they do these days. Honestly, just look at that trial in the U.S depressing **** the media is.
    Perhaps opinion columns are cheaper than actually employing real journalists.


  • Registered Users Posts: 511 ✭✭✭tawnyowl


    feelpablo wrote: »
    Properly understood, religion enables the opening up of the child’s natural understanding of his/her own structure and relationship with the totality of reality.

    Among the many ingredients missing from this prescription is the nurturing of the subjectivity of the child in the mysteriousness of reality.

    When is his great work of fiction going to be published :rolleyes:
    With those quotes he sounds like one of the more pretentious postmodernist philosophers.


  • Registered Users Posts: 511 ✭✭✭tawnyowl


    koth wrote: »
    from Wa(lly)ters on Newstalk: "Education is not education without religion" :rolleyes:

    questioning beliefs is "an imposition on the religious parents":rolleyes:
    "Questions are a burden unto others, answers are a prison for oneself." - The Prisoner

    Hmm.. does that make John Waters No. 2?:D


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  • Registered Users Posts: 511 ✭✭✭tawnyowl


    I think he's trying to say that moves to remove the religious influence (or at least it's essence - which he doesn't describe) in schools will leave children as nihilist husks with no feeling of purpose.

    On top of this I believe that he's trying to say that this goal has 'sinister' undertones. My personal intrepretation is that he is suggesting that 'the state' wants children all to itself so that they might be indoctrinated as unquestioning 'statists'.

    If he did mean this then why didn't he just say it that way?

    But that's expecting him to write clearly - he usually writes in a rather obfuscated manner.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,718 ✭✭✭The Mad Hatter


    Paparazzo wrote: »
    How can anyone take the guy seriously? Remember he wrote the eurovision song for Ireland. He was on every radio show going on about what an amazing song it was.
    It finished last. Would have got zero points after every country voted only the last country gave us a few points!

    The guy is a joke of a journalist with a seriously over inflated opinion of himself. He's a poor mans Kevin Myres at trolling.

    I think the main difference between him and Myers is that Waters really seems to believe his own shit.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,092 ✭✭✭CiaranMT


    All I'll say on John Waters is, thank f*ck he's posing nude, writing awful songs, and spouting claptrap, and that he doesn't have a role to play in deciding legislation in this country.

    Himself and David Quinn wwwrrrrreck my head.


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,809 ✭✭✭CerebralCortex


    CiaranMT wrote: »
    All I'll say on John Waters is, thank f*ck he's posing nude, writing awful songs, and spouting claptrap, and that he doesn't have a role to play in deciding legislation in this country.

    Himself and David Quinn wwwrrrrreck my head.

    I'd love 5 minutes in a ring with both of them.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,862 ✭✭✭mikhail


    tawnyowl wrote: »
    Translating John Waters? I'm not entirely sure if different people reading some of his columns would agree on the meaning.

    His mention of Orwell was ironic - perhaps he hasn't read Animal Farm?
    I can't recall the anti-religious sentiments in Animal Farm you're referring to, but it's been a while since I read it. Orwell himself was an Anglican, though his writing is often critical of religion. It seems his beliefs wavered without his ever really rejecting religion. Perhaps, as with socialism, he admired the sentiments and criticised the hypocritical practices.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 511 ✭✭✭tawnyowl


    mikhail wrote: »
    I can't recall the anti-religious sentiments in Animal Farm you're referring to, but it's been a while since I read it. Orwell himself was an Anglican, though his writing is often critical of religion. It seems his beliefs wavered without his ever really rejecting religion. Perhaps, as with socialism, he admired the sentiments and criticised the hypocritical practices.
    He parodied the Russian Orthodox Church with Moses the Raven, who told the animals of a wonderful place called Sugarcandy Mountain where hardworking animals go when they die.

    He was also critical of the CoE, though he was married in it and took communion.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,650 ✭✭✭sensibleken


    At least he brings balance to a debate by bringing an unbalanced mind to a balanced paper

    at least they got rid of Mark Stein and that Krauthammer guy. My daily rage fit at right wing lunatics now takes place in the politics forum


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 24,420 Mod ✭✭✭✭robindch


    Waters isn't the only one who's spent too long using his head to bang the religious drums. Last Tuesday, One James Mackey produced the following:
    RITE AND REASON: THE IRISH Times of June 4th last reported the contributions to the World Atheist Convention of noted international theologian and evangelist of atheism, Richard Dawkins, together with that of our recently self-outed atheist Senator Ivana Bacik.

    Dawkins a theologian? Certainly so; the term “theology” was coined long ago by Greek philosophers in order to identify that part of philosophy that consists in reasoning about gods; so that those who reason there is no god are as much theologians as those who reason there is one.

    Furthermore, when Christians made their entry on the stage of history, and wanted to produce a philosophical support for their theistic belief as recorded in their Bible, they borrowed pre-Christian Greek philosophy for the purpose. They saw little or no difference between their god and the dominant god of the most advanced version of Greek religion. “Change a few phrases,” said St Augustine, “and they [the Platonists] might be Christians.” So Dawkins is a theologian.

    Bacik, however, does not appear to want to be bothered about providing reasons for her atheism at all. She prefers to rely on the direct dogmatic route to the cavalier and surely thoughtless assertion that in our “remarkable times, all our gods have crumbled, [as] sacred texts, infallible truths, have been exposed as shams”.

    Yet if she had tried to acquaint herself with theology, and if she had managed to modify just a little her crass dismissal of all sacred texts as mere shams, she might have learned something about the existence of gods. Namely, that humanity at all times has been capable of creating gods in its own image.

    And these created gods are real gods, for they quickly reveal the power of taking over and ruling the lives of those who create them. They are more than capable of directing these lives as whimsically to wellbeing as to the devastating destruction of Homo sapiens, habitat and all.

    Bacik stumbles on traces of the principal deity of this age-old man-made pantheon, when she talks about being “struck by the comparison between the unquestioning deference shown to bankers with that shown to religious authority”.

    For investment bankers are the high priests of Mammon whose very raison d’etre is the increase and increase of Mammon at whatever cost to human life and habitat. That lesson of reigning man-made gods, and the havoc they wreak on their very own creators, is taught by the prophet from Nazareth, who clearly identified Mammon as the principal rival to the God he knew as our common father.

    And if we Irish have not learned that lesson from our present predicament, we never will; and we will pay the price. We are already noticing the promised punishments that attach to the very suggestion of disobeying some of Mammon’s rules as laid down by the “Vatican” of the International Monetary Fund.

    So, despite Bacik’s praise of atheism as “profoundly moral” in itself, and unquestionably a source of “respect for others’ beliefs, combining reason and compassion”, there is too much evidence of declared atheism hiding malignant man-made theisms under its inviting cloak.

    As of Dawkins-type attacks and outright persecution of religions by atheistic humanist regimes that can rival the apparently unending and mutual persecution of each other by faiths such as Judaism, Christianity and Islam. Each can be as bad as the next.
    To which Ms Bacik replied:
    Sir, – I am flattered that James Mackey (Rite and Reason, July 5th) has devoted almost a full column to disparaging my recent speech to the World Atheist Convention. However, his critique is based on a fundamental misunderstanding. If he had bothered to read my speech in full, or if he had bothered to attend the conference, he would have known that I said: “Over the last three years, all our gods have been crumbling – the sacred texts that declared Fianna Fáil to be the natural and imprescriptible party of eternal government; the high priests of economic punditry who assured us that the economy was sound and that there would be no property crash just a ‘soft landing’; the infallible oracles who promised – indeed swore to us on holy texts – that the bank bailout would be the cheapest in history and that the IMF were not just about to come in – all of these have now been exposed as shams.”

    As everyone in the audience understood, I was speaking about the collapse of the Irish economy – and the “sacred texts” of neo-liberal economics. But clearly the subtlety and irony of my argument was lost on Mr Mackey. –

    Yours, etc,

    IVANA BACIK,
    Seanad Éireann,
    Leinster House, Dublin 2.


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,614 ✭✭✭ArtSmart


    Well roughly translated it means John hasnt had any serious action since Sinead and it consequently losing his sanity - at an even faster rate than anticipated.


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,614 ✭✭✭ArtSmart


    I think the main difference between him and Myers is that Waters really seems to believe his own shit.
    I only wish that were true.

    Water went AWOL quite a while ago, ever since he realised that Fintan O'toole was the main man and the Sinead split wasnt enough currency (his insane 'single dad' articles) He's being hoping to dazzle and delude the plain people of ireland, ever since.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,746 ✭✭✭✭Galvasean


    Waters reminds me of yer man from Republic of Loose
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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 27,857 ✭✭✭✭Dave!


    He reminds me of yer man from Star Wars

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,208 ✭✭✭fatmammycat


    CiaranMT wrote: »
    All I'll say on John Waters is, thank f*ck he's posing nude, writing awful songs, and spouting claptrap, and that he doesn't have a role to play in deciding legislation in this country.

    Himself and David Quinn wwwrrrrreck my head.

    David Quinn- argh, so annoying. He likes to proclaim things, but when asked to back them up runs away as fast as his ultra Catholic legs can carry him.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 31,967 ✭✭✭✭Sarky


    Paparazzo wrote: »
    Remember he wrote the eurovision song for Ireland.

    That song drained more imagination and humanity out of people than any amount of baby-eating secularism.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,798 ✭✭✭goose2005


    Speakin of Orwell, I'm always reminded of "duckspeak" when Waters writes.

    Also, didn't he fornicate with, and have a bastard with, noted heretic Sinead O'Connor? Seems that his Catholic education didn't help him.


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