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Erectile Dysfunction and Porn

  • 10-06-2011 5:05pm
    #1
    liah
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,750 ✭✭✭


    Saw this earlier on reddit, I haven't watched it myself, but if it's as good as people are saying it is there then maybe some of you might find it interesting.



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  • #2
    SugarHigh
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,265 ✭✭✭SugarHigh


    I think one of the big problems with Internet porn is how much variety you can have so easily. I think it will make you bored unless there is a lot of variety because you are so used to it.


  • #3
    parker kent
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,289 ✭✭✭parker kent


    I'll watch this later (when my Dad isn't in the same room as me!). But I think the problem is from partly from excessive masturbation and also when it becomes a habit. You're not masturbating because you are horny, you are doing it because it is "what you do".


  • #4
    SugarHigh
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,265 ✭✭✭SugarHigh


    Just finished part 4 and A scary amount of that rings true. I don't know if I'll stop watching porn all together as the video suggests but I will try and cut back.


  • #5
    Count Duckula
    Closed Accounts Posts: 570 ✭✭✭Count Duckula


    What a surprise that a known anti-porn poster trundles in with a Youtube video telling us all how porn will mean we no longer get erections.

    "If they won't listen to me, I'll try to scare them into it."


  • #6
    MitchKoobski
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,101 ✭✭✭MitchKoobski


    Not sure if I can trust this video....

    ಠ_ಠ


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  • #7
    liah
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,750 ✭✭✭liah


    Count Duckula wrote: »
    What a surprise that a known anti-porn poster trundles in with a Youtube video telling us all how porn will mean we no longer get erections.

    "If they won't listen to me, I'll try to scare them into it."

    Seriously? What the heck did I do to provoke that? :confused:

    Regardless, I'm not trying to imply anything - from what I've gathered it's not exactly a propaganda piece. I didn't post this because of a personal axe to grind, and I honestly don't appreciate the implication. I genuinely thought some people might find it interesting because it's to do with Erectile Dysfunction, what is so bad about that?

    Either way, I'll not be coming back to the thread. Just felt that was really unfair.


  • #8
    parker kent
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,289 ✭✭✭parker kent


    Count Duckula wrote: »
    What a surprise that a known anti-porn poster trundles in with a Youtube video telling us all how porn will mean we no longer get erections.

    "If they won't listen to me, I'll try to scare them into it."

    Ah here now, it's hardly an outlandish theory. I've rumbled with Liah about porn on here before, but there are genuine issues with porn and erections. Now it is not everybody, but it can happen. This video is not the first time I have heard or read about this topic.

    From a personal perspective, I got bored of porn and rarely to ever look at it nowadays. And looking back I can see how it might effect erections.


  • #9
    LegacyUser
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 166,026 ✭✭✭✭LegacyUser


    A lot of this rings true for me.

    I'm a young guy who has had ED for years. I've tended to put it down to alcohol (it is always involved, I've never really had anything more serious than flings and one night stands) and anxiety, but it's something I've suspected for a while. I may try giving it up again for a while but I imagine the same thought process will eventually win over: I'm single anyway, so what does it matter?

    Of course watching porn may have an influence into why I'm single in the first place, but it is very difficult to put the long term interest over the short term pleasure, day after day after day.


  • #10
    sam34
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,073 ✭✭✭sam34


    leave out the personal sniping please


  • #11
    greengiant09
    Registered Users Posts: 237 ✭✭greengiant09


    liah wrote: »
    Seriously? What the heck did I do to provoke that? :confused:

    Regardless, I'm not trying to imply anything - from what I've gathered it's not exactly a propaganda piece. I didn't post this because of a personal axe to grind, and I honestly don't appreciate the implication. I genuinely thought some people might find it interesting because it's to do with Erectile Dysfunction, what is so bad about that?

    Either way, I'll not be coming back to the thread. Just felt that was really unfair.

    i have to say i've had problems with ED and i'm pretty damn sure it's to do with excessive porn use. I would have been a hard user of porn before i seen videos like this and linked it with my ED problems. basically, what happened to me was that i was finding the need to search for harder and harder porn to get aroused. i didn't conciously realise this when i was doing it but i can see thats what i was doing after.

    i mean i was starting to jack off to stuff i would never do in reality in a million years but the craziness of it all was the turn on. i never ever hard a problem getting a hard on when i was watching it....

    if you think back, can you remember when you were young and you could jack off to a porn magazine....i can look at one of these now and feel basically fock all....my mind has come accustomed to hardcore videos which are a lot more stimulating.

    if you're young (under 40) and have ED....and you masturbate a lot to porn, then i recommend cutting back big time


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  • #12
    FewFew
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    Me thinks this is going to be a case of ignorance is bliss. Must resist pressing play, damn my curious nature!


  • #13
    Snowie
    Closed Accounts Posts: 22,048 ✭✭✭✭Snowie


    i think smoking does more harm then anything else...
    but also none existant sex life and having some restrained and self controll its all to easy to bash one of... .


  • #14
    HellFireClub
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,912 ✭✭✭HellFireClub


    I wonder how I might be received if I started a thread in tLL on women who might have an over reliance on their vibrators???

    Seriously Mods... :rolleyes:


  • #15
    parker kent
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,289 ✭✭✭parker kent


    HellFireClub wrote: »
    I wonder how I might be received if I started a thread in tLL on women who might have an over reliance on their vibrators???

    Seriously Mods... :rolleyes:

    I have mentioned that there before. Nobody said anything to me. Once it is relevant, who cares who posted it?


  • #16
    HellFireClub
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,912 ✭✭✭HellFireClub


    parker kent wrote: »
    I have mentioned that there before. Nobody said anything to me. Once it is relevant, who cares who posted it?

    Did you start a thread on the subject or just make some general comment on the topic within some other thread???


  • #17
    Wolfe Tone
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    Someone give me the jist of the video?

    I can't watch it unfortunately.


  • #18
    HellFireClub
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,912 ✭✭✭HellFireClub


    Wolfe Tone wrote: »
    Someone give me the jist of the video?

    I can't watch it unfortunately.

    It's like reading the Irish Catholic with one eye and watching porn with the other. ;)


  • #19
    Otis Driftwood
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,925 ✭✭✭Otis Driftwood


    HellFireClub wrote: »
    I wonder how I might be received if I started a thread in tLL on women who might have an over reliance on their vibrators???

    Seriously Mods... :rolleyes:

    Im beginning to get seriously tired of the sniping posts that are constantly being directed at the Ladies Lounge.

    For the last time.

    This is The Gentlemen's Club.

    We are self moderating and as such it is of no concern how any other forum is moderated.

    Any further mention of tLL,or any other forum on boards,in a negative,bitchy or whiny manner will result in infractions and/or bans.

    If people cant post without behaving like bloody children then they will be treated as such.


  • #20
    sam34
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,073 ✭✭✭sam34


    HellFireClub wrote: »
    I wonder how I might be received if I started a thread in tLL on women who might have an over reliance on their vibrators???

    Seriously Mods... :rolleyes:

    a)I've seen such posts in the ladies lounge over the years, no big issue caused by them being there

    b) in any event we're not a mirror forum of tll and what's acceptable there may not be so here and vice versa

    c) you reported the op here, no need to drag the thread off topic by discussing moderation here and other fora.


  • #21
    sam34
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    sorry Otis, just saw your post now.


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  • #22
    HellFireClub
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    The video claims that 16 year old lads have ED due to watching porn, somehow I very much doubt it, it sounds like a religiously inspired piece of work and a lot of what is claimed sounds like absolute and utter rubbish imo.


  • #23
    parker kent
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,289 ✭✭✭parker kent


    HellFireClub wrote: »
    The video claims that 16 year old lads have ED due to watching porn, somehow I very much doubt it, it sounds like a religiously inspired piece of work and a lot of what is claimed sounds like absolute and utter rubbish imo.

    It happens to some people whether you believe it or not.


  • #24
    liah
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,750 ✭✭✭liah


    HellFireClub wrote: »
    The video claims that 16 year old lads have ED due to watching porn, somehow I very much doubt it, it sounds like a religiously inspired piece of work and a lot of what is claimed sounds like absolute and utter rubbish imo.
    Science teacher Gary Wilson explains the physiology of erections

    Doesn't seem religious imo.

    Nowhere does it say masturbation is wrong, or that porn is full of sin or anything. It contains no social commentary. It's for men who may be experiencing ED, not for all men in general. There's even guys on this thread who said it made sense to them.

    Can you explain where the religious parts come in, because I seem to have missed it? Or are you just making assumptions about the content because you think I have some problem with all porn (which I don't, by the way) and think I'm trying to make some social commentary (which I'm not)?


  • #25
    SugarHigh
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,265 ✭✭✭SugarHigh


    One thing I didn't fully understand was the "novelty" aspect. You start watching porn and then it loses novelty so you have to start looking at more extreme porn to get the same level of arousal but why doesn't real sex hold the same value. If you were used to watching porn surely real sex would then start to hold novelty value the same way extreme porn did?


  • #26
    HellFireClub
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,912 ✭✭✭HellFireClub


    liah wrote: »
    Doesn't seem religious imo.

    Nowhere does it say masturbation is wrong, or that porn is full of sin or anything. It contains no social commentary. It's for men who may be experiencing ED, not for all men in general. There's even guys on this thread who said it made sense to them.

    Can you explain where the religious parts come in, because I seem to have missed it? Or are you just making assumptions about the content because you think I have some problem with all porn (which I don't, by the way) and think I'm trying to make some social commentary (which I'm not)?

    My point is that to say, as your source does, that 16 year old's in general do experience ED as a consequence of watching porn is just rediculous and that men in their teens and early 20's will experience ED as a result of watching porn, this is not something that I think is credible in the slightest.

    There isn't religion mentioned in the source, and there is no mention of porn being wrong or immoral, but there is clearly something driving the author to come out with such idiotic statements such as that a teenager consistently watching porn could cause the person to experience ED, and my educated guess is that it is a religious mindset behind it. You are obviously free to form your own view but I don't believe I have ever heard such rubbish in my life.


  • #27
    SugarHigh
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,265 ✭✭✭SugarHigh


    HellFireClub wrote: »
    My point is that to say, as your source does, that 16 year old's in general do experience ED as a consequence of watching porn is just rediculous and that men in their teens and early 20's will experience ED as a result of watching porn, this is not something that I think is credible in the slightest.

    There isn't religion mentioned in the source, and there is no mention of porn being wrong or immoral, but there is clearly something driving the author to come out with such idiotic statements such as that a teenager consistently watching porn could cause the person to experience ED, and my educated guess is that it is a religious mindset behind it. You are obviously free to form your own view but I don't believe I have ever heard such rubbish in my life.

    I don't know it's not like the video was saying anything too controversial. If you watch a lot of porn you do become desensitized to it. I do think it's possible to masturbate too much and I think porn makes it very easy to do that.

    If you've ever gone a few days without masturbating you realise you do start to feel different. I was on another forum where there was basically a challenge of not **** for a month and most guys said they felt more confident and energized. I do also think there is the other end of the spectrum where not doing it enough is bad for you.

    I don't really know how much of whats in the video is related to porn or just simply masturbating more because of porn.


  • #28
    28064212
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,864 ✭✭✭✭28064212


    HellFireClub wrote: »
    My point is that to say, as your source does, that 16 year old's in general do experience ED as a consequence of watching porn is just rediculous and that men in their teens and early 20's will experience ED as a result of watching porn, this is not something that I think is credible in the slightest.

    There isn't religion mentioned in the source, and there is no mention of porn being wrong or immoral, but there is clearly something driving the author to come out with such idiotic statements such as that a teenager consistently watching porn could cause the person to experience ED, and my educated guess is that it is a religious mindset behind it. You are obviously free to form your own view but I don't believe I have ever heard such rubbish in my life.
    "Could cause" is not the same as "will"

    My reading of the site is that it's a resource for men who have ED where porn may be the cause of it. I don't see anywhere the author has said that watching porn will cause you to have ED

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  • #29
    liah
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,750 ✭✭✭liah


    HellFireClub wrote: »
    My point is that to say, as your source does, that 16 year old's in general do experience ED as a consequence of watching porn is just rediculous and that men in their teens and early 20's will experience ED as a result of watching porn, this is not something that I think is credible in the slightest.

    There isn't religion mentioned in the source, and there is no mention of porn being wrong or immoral, but there is clearly something driving the author to come out with such idiotic statements such as that a teenager consistently watching porn could cause the person to experience ED, and my educated guess is that it is a religious mindset behind it. You are obviously free to form your own view but I don't believe I have ever heard such rubbish in my life.

    It seems to be drawn from here:

    http://yourbrainonporn.com/book/export/html/301

    I can't find anything on there that looks religious or otherwise suspect tbh. I think you may be being a bit quick rejecting it out of hand like that. Again, this isn't a problem for the majority of men, but it clearly is an issue for some or else this wouldn't exist in the first place, and there wouldn't be anyone in here feeling like it may ring true for them.


  • #30
    parker kent
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,289 ✭✭✭parker kent


    SugarHigh wrote: »
    If you've ever gone a few days without masturbating you realise you do start to feel different. I was on another forum where there was basically a challenge of not **** for a month and most guys said they felt more confident and energized. I do also think there is the other end of the spectrum where not doing it enough is bad for you.

    I don't really know how much of whats in the video is related to porn or just simply masturbating more because of porn.

    Due to injury and stitches on my penis (ouchies :o) I had to go 6 weeks without anything. I wouldn't say I felt more confident and energized, but afterwards I realised the benefits of not doing it so often. Too much masturbation easily leads to desensitizing the penis and erection difficulties and porn is linked to that in a large amount of cases.


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  • #31
    5live
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,438 ✭✭✭5live


    What rubbish! At the start he states quite categoritically that watching porn causes ED.

    Then about 7 minutes in states that no studies have been done examining porn and ED.

    Well which is it:confused::confused::confused::confused:


  • #32
    HellFireClub
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,912 ✭✭✭HellFireClub


    28064212 wrote: »
    "Could cause" is not the same as "will"

    My reading of the site is that it's a resource for men who have ED where porn may be the cause of it. I don't see anywhere the author has said that watching porn will cause you to have ED

    Well, what is the purpose of the video then?


  • #33
    HellFireClub
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,912 ✭✭✭HellFireClub


    I just want to add, people who might often by motivated to create some piece of information based on a religious conviction, and who might want to try to push that view onto others, as I believe to be the case here in terms of the author of the source, they usually don't go about it by stating: "Hey I'm a Catholic or a Right Wing Conservative and I want you to change your view to one that is more aligned with mine so let's watch this bit of a video and we'll discuss it after..."

    People who generate questionable material like this, they might have an angle that is often not declared at any stage in the delivery of their content...


  • #34
    parker kent
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,289 ✭✭✭parker kent


    HellFireClub wrote: »
    I just want to add, people who might often by motivated to create some piece of information based on a religious conviction, and who might want to try to push that view onto others, as I believe to be the case here in terms of the author of the source, they usually don't go about it by stating: "Hey I'm a Catholic or a Right Wing Conservative and I want you to change your view to one that is more aligned with mine so let's watch this bit of a video and we'll discuss it after..."

    People who generate questionable material like this, they might have an angle that is often not declared at any stage in the delivery of their content...

    The key words in your post are "might" and "often". I think throwing the religious element into the thread with the zeal you did with no evidence that it is related to anybody with a religious motivation is misleading. You could easily have phrased it much better in every post leading up to this one.


  • #35
    liah
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,750 ✭✭✭liah


    SugarHigh wrote: »
    One thing I didn't fully understand was the "novelty" aspect. You start watching porn and then it loses novelty so you have to start looking at more extreme porn to get the same level of arousal but why doesn't real sex hold the same value. If you were used to watching porn surely real sex would then start to hold novelty value the same way extreme porn did?

    See that's also what I don't get. But perhaps it does happen if you have sex as much as you use porn?

    I don't know tbh. Would be interested in people's theories on this.


  • #36
    28064212
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,864 ✭✭✭✭28064212


    HellFireClub wrote: »
    Well, what is the purpose of the video then?
    :confused: To make men aware that if you have ED, porn may be a cause of it?

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  • #37
    HellFireClub
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    28064212 wrote: »
    :confused: To make men aware that if you have ED, porn may be a cause of it?

    I accept that, but to say that 16 year olds may experience ED due to watching porn I think is throwing your credibiliy out the window...


  • #38
    parker kent
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,289 ✭✭✭parker kent


    liah wrote: »
    See that's also what I don't get. But perhaps it does happen if you have sex as much as you use porn?

    I don't know tbh. Would be interested in people's theories on this.

    My guess is that due to de-sensitizing the penis and over reliance on masturbation whilst watching porn, they could only orgasm through masturbation whilst watching porn. They probably associate masturbating in front of a screen with erections given it is the only place severely addicted people would do it.

    It is similar to other advice to men to stop them relying on one single method of reaching orgasm, it becomes difficult to achieve orgasm through other means. The best example is men who only ever masturbate with one particular hand and do so with a vice-like grip.


  • #39
    parker kent
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,289 ✭✭✭parker kent


    HellFireClub wrote: »
    I accept that, but to say that 16 year olds may experience ED due to watching porn I think is throwing your credibiliy out the window...

    It's not just saying "Using porn leads to ED", you are being far too simplistic with that post. It is about severe addictive usage leading to problems. Psychological influences are extremely important in arousal.

    Edit: Also, it is that it MAY lead to problems. Not that every 16 year old who whacks off to porn will get ED.


  • #40
    MonkieSocks
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    The evidence that watching too much porn causes ED simply wouldn't stand up in court

    =(:-) Me? I know who I am. I'm a dude playing a dude disguised as another dude (-:)=



  • #41
    5live
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,438 ✭✭✭5live


    At the end of the 'infomercial' he states that in the 1950s only 10% of Ed was organic while today 90% is. Is there any source whatsoever quoted anywhere on this glorious interweb thingy that could back up those figures?

    I dont know if they are a shower of religous maniacs, a company doing a cheap ad for ED relief (pardon the pun) or genuinely interested in the problem for the sake of solving it.

    But from the tone of what i have heard so far(and no further!!!) it reminds me of something some way-out-there rabid US republican grouping would stick together on a budget of $2 with some scientific facts scooped up from the lower reaches of the 'science' of creationists.

    One word springs to mind. BALDERDASH.

    Is it a revelation that the more sex you have, either alone or with a partner, the less sensitive you become?
    Sorry liah, no offence meant


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  • #42
    liah
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    Did you look at the link I posted a few posts back? If so, how do you interpret them as religious?

    It's not a direct study of the correlation, but they're sources the makers of the video have used.


  • #43
    28064212
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    HellFireClub wrote: »
    I accept that, but to say that 16 year olds may experience ED due to watching porn I think is throwing your credibiliy out the window...
    You think that's impossible? No 16 year old has ever been masturbating with porn so often that they actually have trouble becoming aroused?

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  • #44
    MrStuffins
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    liah wrote: »
    I think you may be being a bit quick rejecting it out of hand like that.

    Boom boom!


  • #45
    Bodhisopha
    Registered Users Posts: 4,068 ✭✭✭Bodhisopha


    It's a bit like saying watching too much football on tv will make kick abouts with your friends less enjoyable.


  • #46
    parker kent
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,289 ✭✭✭parker kent


    Bodhisopha wrote: »
    It's a bit like saying watching too much football on tv will make kick abouts with your friends less enjoyable.

    It is in no way like saying that. I don't get why people are so dismissive of the idea that porn may lead to some problems for some people. It is not the porn itself will cause it, but addictive, excessive masturbation is associated with internet porn.

    Look at what research into porn says about people who excessively use it, they are clearly are differences with people who search for extremely high amounts of porn. It is hardly surprising that other issues would result.
    Did you find evidence that porn is addictive?

    We looked at individual search histories for half a million people using an AOL data set [which does not identify the users]. It seems to be less than 2% of people, among the people who search for porn, who have a significantly elevated number of searches.

    And there's a [shared] characteristic among these searchers: they search for a really wide variety of porn, which is atypical. Usually, people search for the same things over and over. But these people who search for notably more porn tend to search for [many different things].

    Two things tend to show up in these searches, oddly: bestiality and granny porn. There's clearly something different about that group. Having said that, there isn't overwhelming evidence that porn addiction exists. Probably the best way to define whether it's a problem is if you want to stop and you can't.

    Full article here: http://healthland.time.com/2011/05/19/mind-reading-the-researchers-who-analyzed-all-the-porn-on-the-internet/


  • #47
    Count Duckula
    Closed Accounts Posts: 570 ✭✭✭Count Duckula


    There's a clear bias in this thread from those who are known to despise porn supporting this video and it's meagre evidence with all their worth.

    That video provides next to no evidence and no studies to support their claims. It's crap.


  • #48
    Count Duckula
    Closed Accounts Posts: 570 ✭✭✭Count Duckula


    parker kent wrote: »
    people are so dismissive of the idea that porn may lead to some problems for some people

    No one would argue with that, because it's hardly worth arguing about.

    Eating corn may cause death by choking for some people some of the time. Should I create a thread with a poorly-made and poorly-researched video claiming that corn is, essentially, bad for you?


  • #49
    parker kent
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,289 ✭✭✭parker kent


    Count Duckula wrote: »
    There's a clear bias in this thread from those who are known to despise porn supporting this video and it's meagre evidence with all their worth.

    That video provides next to no evidence and no studies to support their claims. It's crap.

    Attack the post, not the poster, surely?

    I think the people ridiculing the video by associating it with the religious extreme right (despite zero evidence) are the ones providing next to no evidence to their arguments.

    I am pro-choice when it comes to porn. I still dabble every now and then. But there obviously are connections between ED and porn. I don't think people are zealously defending the video, more defending that there is even an issue to debate.

    Most of the "debate" has been attacking the OP and dismissing the video as the work of extreme religious fanatics despite there being no evidence produced that there is a connection. I get the feeling that if studies relating to porn addiction and ED were produced here (which do exist btw), they'd be dismissed or ignored anyway.


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    Count Duckula
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    One thing that always amuses me is that - as we see in this thread - we're expected to all believe that sex is somehow better than masturbation. For some people, that simply ain't true. Yeh, extreme porn and masturbation might mean they're no longer so aroused by sex, but that's surely their choice? They've decided they prefer masturbation. When a woman does that with a sex toy it's "empowering" and showing that "she don't need no man for sexual gratificataion". When a man does it he's a creep and a weirdo and he's not going to get erections anymore.


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    parker kent
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,289 ✭✭✭parker kent


    Count Duckula wrote: »
    One thing that always amuses me is that - as we see in this thread - we're expected to all believe that sex is somehow better than masturbation.

    Where has anybody said that? Don't make stuff up to suit your own view.


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