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Erectile Dysfunction and Porn

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    #32
    HellFireClub
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    28064212 wrote: »
    "Could cause" is not the same as "will"

    My reading of the site is that it's a resource for men who have ED where porn may be the cause of it. I don't see anywhere the author has said that watching porn will cause you to have ED

    Well, what is the purpose of the video then?


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    #33
    HellFireClub
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    I just want to add, people who might often by motivated to create some piece of information based on a religious conviction, and who might want to try to push that view onto others, as I believe to be the case here in terms of the author of the source, they usually don't go about it by stating: "Hey I'm a Catholic or a Right Wing Conservative and I want you to change your view to one that is more aligned with mine so let's watch this bit of a video and we'll discuss it after..."

    People who generate questionable material like this, they might have an angle that is often not declared at any stage in the delivery of their content...


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    #34
    parker kent
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,289 ✭✭✭parker kent


    HellFireClub wrote: »
    I just want to add, people who might often by motivated to create some piece of information based on a religious conviction, and who might want to try to push that view onto others, as I believe to be the case here in terms of the author of the source, they usually don't go about it by stating: "Hey I'm a Catholic or a Right Wing Conservative and I want you to change your view to one that is more aligned with mine so let's watch this bit of a video and we'll discuss it after..."

    People who generate questionable material like this, they might have an angle that is often not declared at any stage in the delivery of their content...

    The key words in your post are "might" and "often". I think throwing the religious element into the thread with the zeal you did with no evidence that it is related to anybody with a religious motivation is misleading. You could easily have phrased it much better in every post leading up to this one.


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    #35
    liah
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    SugarHigh wrote: »
    One thing I didn't fully understand was the "novelty" aspect. You start watching porn and then it loses novelty so you have to start looking at more extreme porn to get the same level of arousal but why doesn't real sex hold the same value. If you were used to watching porn surely real sex would then start to hold novelty value the same way extreme porn did?

    See that's also what I don't get. But perhaps it does happen if you have sex as much as you use porn?

    I don't know tbh. Would be interested in people's theories on this.


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    #36
    28064212
    Registered Users Posts: 10,507 ✭✭✭✭28064212


    HellFireClub wrote: »
    Well, what is the purpose of the video then?
    :confused: To make men aware that if you have ED, porn may be a cause of it?

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    #37
    HellFireClub
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    28064212 wrote: »
    :confused: To make men aware that if you have ED, porn may be a cause of it?

    I accept that, but to say that 16 year olds may experience ED due to watching porn I think is throwing your credibiliy out the window...


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    #38
    parker kent
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    liah wrote: »
    See that's also what I don't get. But perhaps it does happen if you have sex as much as you use porn?

    I don't know tbh. Would be interested in people's theories on this.

    My guess is that due to de-sensitizing the penis and over reliance on masturbation whilst watching porn, they could only orgasm through masturbation whilst watching porn. They probably associate masturbating in front of a screen with erections given it is the only place severely addicted people would do it.

    It is similar to other advice to men to stop them relying on one single method of reaching orgasm, it becomes difficult to achieve orgasm through other means. The best example is men who only ever masturbate with one particular hand and do so with a vice-like grip.


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    #39
    parker kent
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    HellFireClub wrote: »
    I accept that, but to say that 16 year olds may experience ED due to watching porn I think is throwing your credibiliy out the window...

    It's not just saying "Using porn leads to ED", you are being far too simplistic with that post. It is about severe addictive usage leading to problems. Psychological influences are extremely important in arousal.

    Edit: Also, it is that it MAY lead to problems. Not that every 16 year old who whacks off to porn will get ED.


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    #40
    MonkieSocks
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    The evidence that watching too much porn causes ED simply wouldn't stand up in court

    =(:-) Me? I know who I am. I'm a dude playing a dude disguised as another dude (-:)=



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    #41
    5live
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    At the end of the 'infomercial' he states that in the 1950s only 10% of Ed was organic while today 90% is. Is there any source whatsoever quoted anywhere on this glorious interweb thingy that could back up those figures?

    I dont know if they are a shower of religous maniacs, a company doing a cheap ad for ED relief (pardon the pun) or genuinely interested in the problem for the sake of solving it.

    But from the tone of what i have heard so far(and no further!!!) it reminds me of something some way-out-there rabid US republican grouping would stick together on a budget of $2 with some scientific facts scooped up from the lower reaches of the 'science' of creationists.

    One word springs to mind. BALDERDASH.

    Is it a revelation that the more sex you have, either alone or with a partner, the less sensitive you become?
    Sorry liah, no offence meant


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    #42
    liah
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    Did you look at the link I posted a few posts back? If so, how do you interpret them as religious?

    It's not a direct study of the correlation, but they're sources the makers of the video have used.


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    #43
    28064212
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    HellFireClub wrote: »
    I accept that, but to say that 16 year olds may experience ED due to watching porn I think is throwing your credibiliy out the window...
    You think that's impossible? No 16 year old has ever been masturbating with porn so often that they actually have trouble becoming aroused?

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    #44
    MrStuffins
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    liah wrote: »
    I think you may be being a bit quick rejecting it out of hand like that.

    Boom boom!


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    #45
    Bodhisopha
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    It's a bit like saying watching too much football on tv will make kick abouts with your friends less enjoyable.


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    #46
    parker kent
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,289 ✭✭✭parker kent


    Bodhisopha wrote: »
    It's a bit like saying watching too much football on tv will make kick abouts with your friends less enjoyable.

    It is in no way like saying that. I don't get why people are so dismissive of the idea that porn may lead to some problems for some people. It is not the porn itself will cause it, but addictive, excessive masturbation is associated with internet porn.

    Look at what research into porn says about people who excessively use it, they are clearly are differences with people who search for extremely high amounts of porn. It is hardly surprising that other issues would result.
    Did you find evidence that porn is addictive?

    We looked at individual search histories for half a million people using an AOL data set [which does not identify the users]. It seems to be less than 2% of people, among the people who search for porn, who have a significantly elevated number of searches.

    And there's a [shared] characteristic among these searchers: they search for a really wide variety of porn, which is atypical. Usually, people search for the same things over and over. But these people who search for notably more porn tend to search for [many different things].

    Two things tend to show up in these searches, oddly: bestiality and granny porn. There's clearly something different about that group. Having said that, there isn't overwhelming evidence that porn addiction exists. Probably the best way to define whether it's a problem is if you want to stop and you can't.

    Full article here: http://healthland.time.com/2011/05/19/mind-reading-the-researchers-who-analyzed-all-the-porn-on-the-internet/


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    #47
    Count Duckula
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    There's a clear bias in this thread from those who are known to despise porn supporting this video and it's meagre evidence with all their worth.

    That video provides next to no evidence and no studies to support their claims. It's crap.


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    #48
    Count Duckula
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    parker kent wrote: »
    people are so dismissive of the idea that porn may lead to some problems for some people

    No one would argue with that, because it's hardly worth arguing about.

    Eating corn may cause death by choking for some people some of the time. Should I create a thread with a poorly-made and poorly-researched video claiming that corn is, essentially, bad for you?


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    #49
    parker kent
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    Count Duckula wrote: »
    There's a clear bias in this thread from those who are known to despise porn supporting this video and it's meagre evidence with all their worth.

    That video provides next to no evidence and no studies to support their claims. It's crap.

    Attack the post, not the poster, surely?

    I think the people ridiculing the video by associating it with the religious extreme right (despite zero evidence) are the ones providing next to no evidence to their arguments.

    I am pro-choice when it comes to porn. I still dabble every now and then. But there obviously are connections between ED and porn. I don't think people are zealously defending the video, more defending that there is even an issue to debate.

    Most of the "debate" has been attacking the OP and dismissing the video as the work of extreme religious fanatics despite there being no evidence produced that there is a connection. I get the feeling that if studies relating to porn addiction and ED were produced here (which do exist btw), they'd be dismissed or ignored anyway.


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    #50
    Count Duckula
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    One thing that always amuses me is that - as we see in this thread - we're expected to all believe that sex is somehow better than masturbation. For some people, that simply ain't true. Yeh, extreme porn and masturbation might mean they're no longer so aroused by sex, but that's surely their choice? They've decided they prefer masturbation. When a woman does that with a sex toy it's "empowering" and showing that "she don't need no man for sexual gratificataion". When a man does it he's a creep and a weirdo and he's not going to get erections anymore.


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    #51
    parker kent
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,289 ✭✭✭parker kent


    Count Duckula wrote: »
    One thing that always amuses me is that - as we see in this thread - we're expected to all believe that sex is somehow better than masturbation.

    Where has anybody said that? Don't make stuff up to suit your own view.


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    #52
    Count Duckula
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    parker kent wrote: »
    Where has anybody said that? Don't make stuff up to suit your own view.

    Why not? It's exactly what the author of that video did.

    And anyway, it's implied. That video is not saying that watching porn makes you unable to get an erection - it says that watching porn makes you unable to get an erection when having sex. We are therefore supposed to think that this is a bad thing. It says nothing about being able to maintain an erection whilst watching the porn that is causing this "problem" - in fact, I'd imagine the "problem" comes from the fact that these men are able to get an erection when watching the extreme porn and at no other time, supposedly.

    Therefore, if being unable to maintain an erection whilst having sex but do so when masturbating to porn is a bad thing, we must therefore make the assumption that somehow sex ranks as more important than porn.


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    #53
    parker kent
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    Count Duckula wrote: »
    Why not? It's exactly what the author of that video did.

    And anyway, it's implied. That video is not saying that watching porn makes you unable to get an erection - it says that watching porn makes you unable to get an erection when having sex. We are therefore supposed to think that this is a bad thing. It says nothing about being able to maintain an erection whilst watching the porn that is causing this "problem" - in fact, I'd imagine the "problem" comes from the fact that these men are able to get an erection when watching the extreme porn and at no other time, supposedly.

    Therefore, if being unable to maintain an erection whilst having sex but do so when masturbating to porn is a bad thing, we must therefore make the assumption that somehow sex ranks as more important than porn.

    It is not implied. Given I am one of the few defending the thread, I am I presume one of the people you are referring to in that point. I am talking about how porn can affect SOME people. There simply are people who suffer from erection problems due to excessively masturbating with porn. Which does lead to different issues than having constant sex.

    I have no issues with masturbation, nor am I saying one is better than the other. You have just invented that aspect to this debate. I have posted on the masturbation thread in TGC about how it is something all men should do regularly (allowing for differences between various sex drives).

    We are saying that only being able to maintain an erection during porn is a bad thing (given many require harder porn to maintain an erection). Which is vastly different to your imagined ideas about the debate.


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    #54
    Count Duckula
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    parker kent wrote: »
    We are saying that only being able to maintain an erection during porn is a bad thing.

    Which is exactly my point. Why is it a bad thing? Because you can't have sex?


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    #55
    parker kent
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    Count Duckula wrote: »
    Which is exactly my point. Why is it a bad thing? Because you can't have sex?

    Talk about ridiculous logic.

    Saying that somebody should be able to get an erection without hardcore porn is not the same as saying sex is better than masturbation. If you cannot see that logic, there is no point in me continuing this debate.


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    #56
    28064212
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    Count Duckula wrote: »
    There's a clear bias in this thread from those who are known to despise porn supporting this video and it's meagre evidence with all their worth.
    Lolwut? Who are these posters exactly?

    Oh, and there's a big difference between being anti-porn (thinking that porn should be banned), and not personally enjoying porn.
    Count Duckula wrote: »
    That video provides next to no evidence and no studies to support their claims. It's crap.
    You seem to misunderstand what the video is. It's not supposed to be a scientific paper, it's a presentation of their views and ways of dealing with ED which may be caused by porn. If you want links to their actual sources, start reading here: http://yourbrainonporn.com/understanding_porn_addiction
    Count Duckula wrote: »
    Eating corn may cause death by choking for some people some of the time. Should I create a thread with a poorly-made and poorly-researched video claiming that corn is, essentially, bad for you?
    Where has the author said that porn is bad for you? Right at the start of the video, he says he does not want to ban porn, is totally for free will, and doesn't care what anyone does with their genitals
    Count Duckula wrote: »
    Which is exactly my point. Why is it a bad thing? Because you can't have sex?
    Are you saying it's a good thing? Regardless, you've once again missed the point of the author. If someone's happy that all their orgasms come from porn, they're on the wrong site. The site is for people who have ED as a result of too much porn and want to change that.

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    #57
    liah
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    Count Duckula wrote: »
    There's a clear bias in this thread from those who are known to despise porn supporting this video and it's meagre evidence with all their worth.

    That video provides next to no evidence and no studies to support their claims. It's crap.

    Are you effin' serious, like? :confused: The bias is in your head! I did not post this because I disagree with porn - it shows how much you actually know about me to even make that kind of attack. If you knew anything about me, you would know that I disagree with mainstream porn and abuse porn and that I have no problem at all with amateur porn or men using porn (at a normal frequency). The only thing I have issue with is my partner using it when he is living in the same apartment as me. If you honestly think I'm anti-porn because of that, then you need to get your fecking head checked.

    Regardless, this is ridiculous - boards is supposed to be attack the post and not the poster and all you've done is slag me the entire thread and make the entire thing about me, ignoring everything else, including males who are interested in the subject matter. Have I done something to offend you personally? I always respected you as a poster but tbh it's sure as hell gone now.

    Really doubt I'll be returning to this forum.


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    #58
    parker kent
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,289 ✭✭✭parker kent


    Also, I'd recommend people look into the neuroscience of porn watching. Seeing that the brain considers masturbating whilst watching porn as identical to having sex, it is obvious why ED connected to excessive masturbation whilst watching porn would be a problem.
    Porn does not cause us to think about sex. Rather, porn causes to think we are having sex. From the perspective of the brain, the act of arousal is not preceded by a separate idea, which we absorb via the television screen. The act itself is the idea. In other words, porn works by convincing us that we are not watching porn. We think we are inside the screen, doing the deed.
    http://scienceblogs.com/cortex/2006/09/the_neurocience_of_porn.php

    A different but similar blog is here: http://scienceblogs.com/cortex/2009/08/porn_and_mirror_neurons.php

    It is an interesting area, one I'm going to look into a bit more.

    Edit: Here is the link to the research he mentions: A functional endophenotype for sexual orientation in humans. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16979350?dopt=AbstractPlus


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    #59
    Delancey
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    The you tube clip is in my opinion little more than anti-porn propaganda beneath a thin veneer of ' pseudo-scientific ' talk that attemps to give it a voice of scientific authority.
    Complete nonsense and anyone who believes it probably also believes the earth is flat.


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    #60
    parker kent
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,289 ✭✭✭parker kent


    Delancey wrote: »
    The you tube clip is in my opinion little more than anti-porn propaganda beneath a thin veneer of ' pseudo-scientific ' talk that attemps to give it a voice of scientific authority.
    Complete nonsense and anyone who believes it probably also believes the earth is flat.

    The video may have faults. But the underlying idea is actually sound and is similar to other views held by people in various related fields. Comparing the people who are being open minded to the possibility of it being true to those with closed minds and who refused to believe the earth was round is a little ironic.


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    #61
    RGDATA!
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    liah wrote: »
    Saw this earlier on reddit, I haven't watched it myself, but if it's as good as people are saying it is there then maybe some of you might find it interesting.

    i've started watching the video anyway, but i'll simply say it's a bit curious to start a thread about a video you haven't watched yourself


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