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Smoking Area FAILURE....typically Ireland

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  • #62
    MrStuffins
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,412 ✭✭✭✭MrStuffins


    Dudess wrote: »
    Well yeah, but you get geniuses calling anyone who merely says they hate smoking preachy etc. No, they find cigarette esmoke unpleasant and they can't help that - they're not trying to spoil people's fun.

    Exactly! if I had a heroin addiction, that just effects me for the most part . But if I sat in a restaraunt, was shooting up heroin and then was going around shooting everyone else up with a little bit of my lovely heroin, those people wouldn't be happy would they? Why should cigarette's be any different? BEcause you can buy them in a shop?


  • #63
    MrStuffins
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,412 ✭✭✭✭MrStuffins


    luvbulmers01 wrote: »
    So angry relax, hmm maybe you using the word stupid to describe smokers is whats enflaming the anger of people towards you? I supposse you have no unhealthy habits.

    Plus if non smokers dont want to breathe in second hand smoke the solution is fairly obvious no? Get out of the smoking area, or is just that smokers sharing the same oxegen as you what you find offensive?

    For someone to start up an addiction like smoking is pretty brutally stupid. And most smokers I know agree with this!

    I'm sure I Do have bad habits! But I don't shove them in peoples' faces and then get offended and call them wan*ers if they don't like it!


  • #64
    Logical Fallacy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,933 ✭✭✭Logical Fallacy


    MrStuffins wrote: »
    Exactly! if I had a heroin addiction, that just effects me for the most part . But if I sat in a restaraunt, was shooting up heroin and then was going around shooting everyone else up with a little bit of my lovely heroin, those people wouldn't be happy would they? Why should cigarette's be any different? BEcause you can buy them in a shop?

    lol, that is the most awesome metaphor of second hand smoke i have seen to date.

    "Second hand smoke - it's just like having a junkie inject heroin into you".

    Are you sure you haven't been checking out Bill Hicks videos?:D

    In all seriousness i am completely seeing where you are coming from , were i a non smoker I wouldn't much like people smoking in my face either...but you seem to be completely unwilling to appreciate that in the circumstances described by the OP the management of the property need to be held more accountable than the smokers, who may be genuinely under the impression that they are in a designated smoking area.


  • #65
    Oranage2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,129 ✭✭✭✭Oranage2


    We all know smoking is the catalyst for heroin - smokers should be shot or their dole cut - if they can afford to smoke they can afford to get their dole cut!


  • #66
    indough
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,857 ✭✭✭indough


    MrStuffins wrote: »
    Exactly! if I had a heroin addiction, that just effects me for the most part . But if I sat in a restaraunt, was shooting up heroin and then was going around shooting everyone else up with a little bit of my lovely heroin, those people wouldn't be happy would they? Why should cigarette's be any different? BEcause you can buy them in a shop?

    and i suppose you have never consumed alcohol in front of strangers? nobody was forcing anyone into the smoking are so the part about forcing other people to endure it is irrelevant


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  • #67
    Saviola
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 184 ✭✭Saviola


    MrStuffins wrote: »
    Exactly! if I had a heroin addiction, that just effects me for the most part . But if I sat in a restaraunt, was shooting up heroin and then was going around shooting everyone else up with a little bit of my lovely heroin, those people wouldn't be happy would they? Why should cigarette's be any different? BEcause you can buy them in a shop?

    So what about exhaust fumes from cars? Surely they aren't good for your health so would you expect people to stop driving near you?


  • #68
    MrStuffins
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,412 ✭✭✭✭MrStuffins


    Logical Fallacy wrote: »
    lol, that is the most awesome metaphor of second hand smoke i have seen to date.

    "Second hand smoke - it's just like having a junkie inject heroin into you".

    Are you sure you haven't been checking out Bill Hicks videos?:D

    In all seriousness i am completely seeing where you are coming from , were i a non smoker I wouldn't much like people smoking in my face either...but you seem to be completely unwilling to appreciate that in the circumstances described by the OP the management of the property need to be held more accountable than the smokers, who may be genuinely under the impression that they are in a designated smoking area.

    As i said earlier, I like Bill Hicks.

    I think maybe the smoking ban needs to be updated to include more liability on the part of the offending smoker here.


  • #69
    Gulliver
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    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    This was a 'smoking area'.
    I am a smoker and I have no idea what defines a 'smoking area'. I just ask where the 'smoking area' is when I enter a premises or I follow the signs, safe in the knowledge that only the illiterate or challenged non smokers will be able to figure out where the SMOKING AREA is too. But even the illiterate and challenged will generally know what that area is, what with the delicious smell of nicotine hanging around in whitish wisps and the white stick like things in people mouths.
    In my life, if I don't like what somebody is doing, I move away from them, I don't seek them out or confront them. People with no joy in their lives generally shorten my life so I move away from them to. Must always avoid anything that shortens my life.

    LOL :pac:


  • #70
    MrStuffins
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    Saviola wrote: »
    So what about exhaust fumes from cars? Surely they aren't good for your health so would you expect people to stop driving near you?

    Just dont park your car at the table next to mine in a restaraunt and rev your engine and i'll be grand!

    :rolleyes:


  • #71
    Logical Fallacy
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    MrStuffins wrote: »
    As i said earlier, I like Bill Hicks.

    I think maybe the smoking ban needs to be updated to include more liability on the part of the offending smoker here.

    Well, it's hard to ad more "liability" to the offending smoker, as they are clearly the one liable...if you get me...i am merely pointing out that some management may imply things are legal when they are not because it will boost their profits.

    I think the whole thing needs to be properly overhauled and enforced correctly, instead of the ramshackle approach that has been taken to date.


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  • #72
    amacachi
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    Eric Cartman wrote: »
    you non smokers can all just go f*ck off, im in favour of the smoking ban as i was sick of all yee whinging , now your whinging about me being outside too, just leave us alone to smoke, if you dont like it dont go/work/eat there

    It's coming up to summer now as well, having braved the weather condition for the last 7-8 months we'll soon have an invasion of fcukers whinging about the smoke in beer gardens. :mad:


  • #73
    Happyman42
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,066 ✭✭✭✭Happyman42


    If I didn't smoke a loaf of bread would cost you 20 euros.

    The hypocrisy of government and non smokers.
    Ban it altogether if it annoys you so much or if you are so concerned about 'people's health'.


  • #74
    drkpower
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,475 ✭✭✭drkpower


    MrStuffins wrote: »
    Just dont park your car at the table next to mine in a restaraunt and rev your engine and i'll be grand!

    :rolleyes:
    What about I am cycling? Should driving be banned? If not, why not?


  • #75
    Chuck Stone
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    Dudess wrote: »
    Well yeah, but you get geniuses calling anyone who merely says they hate smoking preachy etc. No, they find cigarette esmoke unpleasant and they can't help that - they're not trying to spoil people's fun.

    I agree. I wouldn't consider that preachy. Especially from a person who never smoked.

    I guess I was talking about ex-smokers who take any opportunity that presents to rub it in a smokers face about 'how easy it was to give up' and how 'great their life is since they stopped' and how they can taste their ****ing celery soup and rye crackers so much better.

    /rant.


  • #76
    Monty Burnz
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,455 ✭✭✭✭Monty Burnz


    Da Shins Kelly wrote: »
    Who cares? It's a stupid law anyway. Listen to Bill Hicks.
    Ah yes, the great, late Bill Hicks.
    Hicks died of pancreatic cancer in 1994 at the age of 32.
    Cigarette smoking has a risk ratio of 1.74 with regard to pancreatic cancer; a decade of nonsmoking after heavy smoking is associated with a risk ratio of 1.2.[16]
    From Wikipedia...


  • #77
    Gulliver
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,028 ✭✭✭Gulliver


    Happyman42 wrote: »
    If I didn't smoke a loaf of bread would cost you 20 euros.

    The hypocrisy of government and non smokers.
    Ban it altogether if it annoys you so much or if you are so concerned about 'people's health'.

    I'm pretty sure they'd still make bread out of flour and not tobacco. ;)


  • #78
    strobe
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,872 ✭✭✭strobe


    MrStuffins wrote: »
    Just dont park your car at the table next to mine in a restaraunt and rev your engine and i'll be grand!

    I'm sure he will agree to that if you agree not to bring your coffee and prawn sandwich out to the car park and eat it there while complaining about all the cars revving in it. :)


  • #79
    Happyman42
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,066 ✭✭✭✭Happyman42


    Gulliver wrote: »
    I'm pretty sure they'd still make bread out of flour and not tobacco. ;)
    :confused:


  • #80
    Happyman42
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,066 ✭✭✭✭Happyman42


    strobe wrote: »
    I'm sure he will agree to that if you agree not to bring your coffee and prawn sandwich out to the car park and eat it there while complaining about all the cars revving in it. :)

    Coffee??? Sure that stuff will kill ye altogether!


  • #81
    iPlop
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,822 ✭✭✭iPlop


    I smoke electronic cigarettes which is just vapour and are odourless.I've been smoking these since July 2010, I still get people coming over to me telling me to put my cig out even when I've been given permission from the bar manager.

    I don't mind though because it gives me time to explain what it is and how it works.


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  • #82
    MrStuffins
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,412 ✭✭✭✭MrStuffins


    drkpower wrote: »
    What about I am cycling? Should driving be banned? If not, why not?

    Because you are not in an indoor workplace. If you are, you shouldnt by cycling!


  • #83
    drkpower
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,475 ✭✭✭drkpower


    MrStuffins wrote: »
    Because you are not in an indoor workplace. If you are, you shouldnt by cycling!

    So you are in favour of uncovered smoking areas or smoking areas which allow for the rapid disbursement of cigarette smoke (at least equal to the capacity for engine smoke to disperse in the outdoors)?


  • #84
    Gulliver
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    Happyman42 wrote: »
    :confused:

    Well, if there was no smoking, they would have to be making the bread out of something costly like tobacco, oil or gold for it to cost €20. There's no way it would rise to that level as our healthcare system would have less strain on it, even if people did live longer.


  • #85
    aligator_am
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,598 ✭✭✭aligator_am


    Chuck Stone wrote: »
    The 'evangelical' ones are insufferable bastards in fairness.

    I say this as an atheist and ex-smoker.

    Yeah, the preachers are usually too busy being up to their root in hookers to worry about such trivial matters as smoking :)


  • #86
    MrStuffins
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,412 ✭✭✭✭MrStuffins


    drkpower wrote: »
    So you are in favour of uncovered smoking areas or smoking areas which allow for the rapid disbursement of cigarette smoke (at least equal to the capacity for engine smoke to disperse in the outdoors)?

    I'm in favour of eating in a restaurant with no cars dining next to me and of you not cycling indoors while you're working, hope that clears thing up!


  • #87
    aligator_am
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,598 ✭✭✭aligator_am


    Sink The Banana wrote: »
    I smoke electronic cigarettes which is just vapour and are odourless.I've been smoking these since July 2010, I still get people coming over to me telling me to put my cig out even when I've been given permission from the bar manager.

    I don't mind though because it gives me time to explain what it is and how it works.

    A lad I work with uses those, seems they're quite good too, in fact I may get one just to see how the legion of maryites react, could be good fun :)


  • #88
    drkpower
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    MrStuffins wrote: »
    I'm in favour of eating in a restaurant with no cars dining next to me and of you not cycling indoors while you're working, hope that clears thing up!
    Are you trying to avoid the question?

    Are you in favour of uncovered smoking areas or smoking areas which allow for the rapid disbursement of cigarette smoke (at least equal to the capacity for engine smoke to disperse in the outdoors)?


  • #89
    DublinWriter
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,578 ✭✭✭DublinWriter


    Sink The Banana wrote: »
    I smoke electronic cigarettes which is just vapour and are odourless.I've been smoking these since July 2010, I still get people coming over to me telling me to put my cig out even when I've been given permission from the bar manager.

    I don't mind though because it gives me time to explain what it is and how it works.
    Their basic problem isn't that you're smoking, it's that you're enjoying yourself.


  • #90
    Son Of A Vidic
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,370 ✭✭✭✭Son Of A Vidic


    MrStuffins wrote: »
    Yeah let's all listen to a guy who died of Cancer, most likely brought on by his horrible lifestyle!

    Sweet!

    If you knew anything about the guy, you'd realise he didn't give a fúck. He made his own choice and he faced his own consequences.


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  • #91
    MrStuffins
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,412 ✭✭✭✭MrStuffins


    drkpower wrote: »
    Are you trying to avoid the question?

    Are you in favour of uncovered smoking areas or smoking areas which allow for the rapid disbursement of cigarette smoke (at least equal to the capacity for engine smoke to disperse in the outdoors)?

    it's not important what 'm in favour of, the law is the law!


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