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Does my bum look big in this squat rack?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,863 ✭✭✭kevpants


    Bruce7 wrote: »
    Anything over 8 metres would be good going for a complete beginner. Wasn't aware of the place in Richmond Road. If this doesn't pan out, you can get a shot delivered from fitnessfunctions.ie for around 35 quid.

    You should try to get to a coached session, or at least train alongside an experienced thrower as quickly as possible. Throwing in the garden is fun - as long as aren't that bothered about your lawn - but you will probably find your own ways of adding distance, and these are likely to be bad, if not illegal, habits (illegal as in they would be fouls in competition). Then you will have to unlearn all of these when you do start getting coaching, which is frustrating for people, as they get worse (distance-wise) before they get better.

    Good luck with it. Looking at the weights you are doing, you should be competitive in no time.

    I bought a shot at lunch! A bit of internet research threw up John Shields details, rang him and it turns out his warehouse is up the road. €24 for a 16lb shot.

    Nice guy too. Turns out he's a sprint coach with Clonliffe Harriers so he's invited me up to one of the next sessions. Apparently throwing coaches are scarce enough but any little bit of coaching or even the opportunity to train alongside some proper dudes would be great.

    Took it out to the back garden and just chucked it up the hill from the patio, which is also sunk down by about a foot. It went 6.7m. It also went 6.7m down into the ground! Reckon on a flat surface there was probably another metre in it, the ground it landed on is about a metre above where I threw it.

    Like you said I'm sure I used all the wrong muscles and it has no bearing on what I'd throw with actual technique!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,348 ✭✭✭the drifter


    *Follows thread....


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 500 ✭✭✭Bruce7


    The Masters National Indoor champs is on Sunday the 23rd in Nenagh. At Masters (35+) level, you never know who is going to show up, but, given that these will mostly be older throwers, there will definitely be a few guys there that do some coaching as well, as well as possibly the guy who has trained every thrower in the country.

    You could just go down to watch, and talk to them afterwards. It's a small world, and they will be delighted to help you arrange something.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,863 ✭✭✭kevpants


    Monday 10/1/11

    Squat (beltless)

    185kg
    3x5

    Power cleans (shotput obsession/ read a Dan John book)
    60 x 3
    80 x 2
    100 x 1
    120 x miss... Bambi doing a high pull
    100 x 1
    100 x 1
    110 x miss
    110 x miss

    20kg plate raises
    16/8/6 rp


    Wed 12/1/11

    Warmed up by attempting to snatch/power snatch. It was funny, that is all.

    Heavy squat:
    60,100,140
    180 x 1
    *belt*
    200 x 1
    215 x 1
    230 x miss

    2nd ever missed squat! Felt weak going into it but just want to keep pushing. I was loose TBH, just went soft on the way up.

    Power curls
    50kg x 3
    60kg x 3
    70kg x 2
    80 x 1
    90 x 1
    100 x miss

    Power clean
    100 - 5 singles

    Overhead squats

    40kg x 3, x2 eeeek
    bar x 5, x10, x8

    My god, if you ever wanted to know what the muscles inbetween your ribs are for, do an overhead squat. Holy crap. My shoulder stability was terrible,My body was doing something no other movement I've trained has ever been even similar to. How can my core and spinal erector support a 230kg+ squat but quiver like Michael J fox's car keys overhead squatting an empty bar?

    Quite excited about getting into throwing, hence the "power" movements. I'm not currently conditioned to move weight that feels light to me but that's substantial, very fast. I can move it without hassle but it's all slow. I'm way behind the curve in my power clean numbers and I haven't the stability flexibility or strength to snatch. Very humbling.

    Also it's making my hips work soooo much. God the cramp I got in them tonight putting Moya to bed, I was on the edge of a chair with my legs spread leaning into her cot helping her back to sleep after she woke. I nearly yelped.

    I'm seriously tired after just 2 of these sessions with the cleans etc. Full body tiredness.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 500 ✭✭✭Bruce7


    I'm not going to keep invading your log, but you might find this useful:

    http://www.athleticscoaching.ca/UserFiles/File/Sport%20Science/Theory%20&%20Methodology/Throwing%20Events/Shot%20Put/Stasjuk-%20General%20and%20Specific%20Exercises%20for%20the%20SP.pdf

    I would avoid the specific exercises 19-24 at this stage though, and also the general exercises 11-13.

    In all of the throwing style drills, make sure you keep your elbow up, and the shot pressed into your neck.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,863 ✭✭✭kevpants


    Bruce7 wrote: »
    I'm not going to keep invading your log, but you might find this useful:

    http://www.athleticscoaching.ca/UserFiles/File/Sport%20Science/Theory%20&%20Methodology/Throwing%20Events/Shot%20Put/Stasjuk-%20General%20and%20Specific%20Exercises%20for%20the%20SP.pdf

    I would avoid the specific exercises 19-24 at this stage though, and also the general exercises 11-13.

    In all of the throwing style drills, make sure you keep your elbow up, and the shot pressed into your neck.

    Invade away Bruce you've been seriously helpful! If there's a shotputter lurking around who wants to take me under their wing I'm open to offers as well. I'll bring cake.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 500 ✭✭✭Bruce7


    I'm a shotputter (albeit an over the hill one...), but I live on the southside and don't have a massive amount of free time at the moment. If you were willing to come over to Irishtown stadium or Belfield the odd Saturday morning, I could get you started. Only thing is, I won't be able to commit to anything regular, so it might just be now and again...

    Closer to the season, if you are still at it, there will be more going on.

    If this suits, drop me a PM. No worries if not.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 22,819 ✭✭✭✭g'em


    I'm no shotputter but if you ever want an eye thrown over that OH squat and the power movements let me know. With a squat like that you could be putting up much higher numbers. Are you doing full power cleans or from the hang? There's something else in my head that's telling me that a power snatch would be better than a clean but I can't quite figure why. Or even alternating power cleans and power snatches.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,863 ✭✭✭kevpants


    Bruce7 wrote: »
    I'm a shotputter (albeit an over the hill one...), but I live on the southside and don't have a massive amount of free time at the moment. If you were willing to come over to Irishtown stadium or Belfield the odd Saturday morning, I could get you started. Only thing is, I won't be able to commit to anything regular, so it might just be now and again...

    Closer to the season, if you are still at it, there will be more going on.

    If this suits, drop me a PM. No worries if not.

    I'll definitely do that, thanks for the offer. I won't take up too much of your time. A quick session to impart even a few nuggets of info would help. Will PM you to set something up some Daturday this month. I'm not too hot timewise myself!
    g'em wrote: »
    I'm no shotputter but if you ever want an eye thrown over that OH squat and the power movements let me know. With a squat like that you could be putting up much higher numbers. Are you doing full power cleans or from the hang? There's something else in my head that's telling me that a power snatch would be better than a clean but I can't quite figure why. Or even alternating power cleans and power snatches.

    I was going to PM you anyway!

    I need a serious examination of how I do those movements. I may as well be a man off the street beginning, yesterday was the first time I ever snatched! I think I'm currently the epitome of misdirected strength. It feels like that when I'm messing about with the shot as well. I'm transferring approximately 5% of my strength to it. Same with the Oly lifts.

    I'll head to Bray some evening or weekend you'll be around and have a little clinic. I'll PM you.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,917 ✭✭✭Barry.Oglesby


    When you said "a throwing sport" I was hoping you'd say "wellies". Chucking stuff is awesome I threw shot in school in nineteen diggity dang until someone realised that lanky children are best suited to running away from the type of kid who shot puts and put a pair of short shorts on me and gave me 20 minutes to get back.

    For me there are only a few questions that really matter in life:
    "can you get over there quicker than me?"
    "Can you jump over that?"
    "How far can you fire that yoke?"
    "Can I throw you and hold you down?"
    "Can you make that woman copulate with you?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,863 ✭✭✭kevpants


    When you said "a throwing sport" I was hoping you'd say "wellies". Chucking stuff is awesome I threw shot in school in nineteen diggity dang until someone realised that lanky children are best suited to running away from the type of kid who shot puts and put a pair of short shorts on me and gave me 20 minutes to get back.

    For me there are only a few questions that really matter in life:
    "can you get over there quicker than me?"
    "Can you jump over that?"
    "How far can you fire that yoke?"
    "Can I throw you and hold you down?"
    "Can you make that woman copulate with you?

    I referreed the welly throwing contest at the World Sheep Sheering Championships in 2000. Little known fact.

    No truth to the rumour that I was expelled before the 2001 championships after a massive bribery/cocaine/green diesel smuggling scandal.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 22,819 ✭✭✭✭g'em


    kev as it turns out one of the coaches in ECB is an ex-Intervarsities and Irish team shot-putter and she said she's more than happy to run though some drills with you if you want to come down :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,863 ✭✭✭kevpants


    15/1/11

    Front squat

    60 x 5, x 5
    80 x 5
    100 x 3
    120 x 2
    140 x 1
    100 x 8
    100 x1

    ooow my f'ing wrist! I have limited movement/loads of scar tissue in my right wrist. It's solid but very immobile and inflexible. I want to try and stretch the crap out of it so it doesn't hamper me in the throwing.

    Snatch grip high pulls (from RDL position)
    60 x 5
    80 x 5, x 5, x5, x 5, x 5

    OH Squat

    40kg x joke
    bar x12, x6, x16 :confused:

    Triceps

    17/1/11

    Squat

    187.5 x 5, x5, x5

    Happy with these, gone from 180 3x5 to this without hassle over 3 weeks.


    power Cleans
    60 x 3
    80 x 2
    100 x 1
    112.5 x 1 PR then I passed out
    100 x1, x1

    Hang power snatches:
    Worked up to 55kg for reps just to see how these work

    I remember catching the 112.5 PC and then waking up bent over a safety bar with a noise not dissimilar to the intro to Doctor Who going through my head at about 1billion decibels. Guess I squished that artery then.

    20/1/11

    Isometric (yes) squat off pins
    Did 5 "holds" with 200kg off the 8th pin.

    Read about these and said I'd have a go. Basically it's so much weight that you can't actually move it but just get it to barely budge and try and hold it. At least I think that's it. Old timer way of doing things but it's not recommended by t-nation so it's alright with me.

    Bench
    80 x 10
    100 x 10
    120 x 2

    1arm T-Bar overhead press:
    40kg
    x12,x12,x10 per side

    Power Snatch (Outdoors.....low ceiling)
    60kg x several singles
    70kg x several singles
    80kg x 2 singles nice!

    OH Squat
    60kg x fail
    30kg x 5, x5, x9

    Happy with that. Fucked up my lawn and it was freeeezing but snatching is awesome! Possible the most fun lift there is

    22/1/11

    Front squat

    100 x 2, x2
    120 x 1
    140 x 1
    150 x fail
    120 x 3, x 5

    RDL
    140g
    x5, x7, x10

    Biceps and triceps superset thing

    Went up to Morton stadium today and spoke with the throwing coach. Heading up for my first session on Thursday night. Should be fun. What a facility! Didn't realize the place even existed. Great equipment in the weights room, all eleiko bars and plates. GHR reverse hyper. Seriously top end racks and benches.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,863 ✭✭✭kevpants


    24/1/11

    Overhead squat
    40kg x3,x5, x2, x8
    50kg x3, x6

    They're coming along

    Outdoors - Clean and Press
    70kg x5
    80kg x 5
    90kg x 1, x1

    Biceps and triceps


    30/1/11

    Squat

    No belt:
    190kg x5, x5, x5

    Clean and press:
    100kg
    clean + miss
    clean + miss
    clean + 1 press
    clean + miss

    technically it was clean and press

    60kg
    clean + 17 presses:)
    clean + 9 presses

    Suitcase DL Side bends
    60kg
    L: x10, x8
    R: x10, x8


    31/1/11

    RDL's 150kg x5, x7, x10

    Barbell Row + Pullup medley
    100kg + normal grip
    x a few rounds

    Bench
    85 x 10
    105 x 8
    125 x 1

    Biceps/ triceps/ side raises

    Had my first training session in shot put last week. I'm incredibly awkward at it but it feels great when you actually hit one right. Dunno how much time I'll be able to dedicate to it with my own training and my wife gone back to work as well as my own workload in work doubling since Xmas, it might not fit. If I can get some basic training and a few drills I can practice myself it can be something I can tip away at in the background.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,359 ✭✭✭Pavel66


    Hi Kev,

    Just thought I would let you know that I recently came across your article "Westside for confused bastards", and have been following it for the last few weeks.

    I always wanted to try westside, but let the DE, bands and chains put me off. Your article simplified the whole thing and made sense to me.

    Seems to be going well so far :)

    Thanks


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,863 ✭✭✭kevpants


    Pavel66 wrote: »
    Hi Kev,

    Just thought I would let you know that I recently came across your article "Westside for confused bastards", and have been following it for the last few weeks.

    I always wanted to try westside, but let the DE, bands and chains put me off. Your article simplified the whole thing and made sense to me.

    Seems to be going well so far :)

    Thanks

    No worries man that was the goal. An awful lot of bull out there about it since it's been "adapted" by so many gurus. What I wrote about was really just ME training for dummies. It'll probably work for most too, at least for a few months.

    4/2/11

    Front squat
    Worked up to a max attempt of 145kg but missed it... was very angry.

    Deadlift
    Worked up to a max attempt of 260kg but missed it...japanese cartoon style rage episode

    <cleaned up plates etc that were thrown>

    Seated BTN Press:
    60kg x7/x4/x3/x3/x2 rp

    20kg x20/13/12 rp

    Pullups until I couldn't hold on to the bar.

    Was a bit stressed the previous week. I'd have been banned from a gym for losing it like I did when things weren't going well but it was very therapeutic.

    6/2/11

    RDL's
    140kg
    x10
    x10
    x10

    Bench
    Worked up to 130 x 1
    120x5
    100x6, x4, x4


    9/2/11

    Squat
    60,100,140, 180 - warmups
    *belt on*
    200x5
    220x1
    210x3 Narrow Stance - we have a weiner

    GM's
    60kg
    x15
    x15
    x15

    Seated BTN Press
    30kg x25/x12/x8 rp

    Pullups
    Slow with dead hang
    x10/x5/x3

    I've been squatting with a fairly wide stance for quite a while now. Just thought it would be a better way to make sure my hips etc were all involved. Brought the stance in for my final set with 210 and I stormed through the reps despite the fatigue - quad dominance FTW!

    Think I'll leave the posterior chain/hip rehab to the RDL's etc. My quads are where my squat's based so I'm gonna use them.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,863 ✭✭✭kevpants


    12/2/11

    Bench
    120x1
    130 x2, x2
    120 x4, x2

    Wide Neutral chins
    Strict +dead hang
    9/5/4 rp

    Clean and Press

    2 movements:
    70kg x12
    80kg x 5

    Single clean, multiple press:
    80kg x 3
    60kg x 7 + 3 lockouts

    Pressing was outdoor which is just fun. Lifting weights outside is deadly, I'd highly recommend it.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 21,981 ✭✭✭✭Hanley


    I was going to say I'm glad you're getting weak like me... and then you pull a f*cking 210kg x3 squat outta nowhere. B*stard.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,863 ✭✭✭kevpants


    Hanley wrote: »
    I was going to say I'm glad you're getting weak like me... and then you pull a f*cking 210kg x3 squat outta nowhere. B*stard.

    Squat's in good shape I think. Moved from 180 to 190 for beltless sets of 5 fairly easily. Bringing in the stance made that 210 very easy. Hopefully 235 and 240 for singles are achievable over the summer anyway.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,863 ✭✭✭kevpants


    14/2/11

    Good Mornings:

    100 x 5
    120 x3, x3, x3
    100 x8, x10

    Foam Roller Bench
    100 x 5
    120 x 3
    140 x 2, x2, x1

    Close grip bench
    100kg
    5/2/1 rp

    Good mornings were all below parralel with a rounding of the back at the bottom. My spinal erectors still haven't recovered, 2 days after this I was in a conference on bloody conference chairs all day. Some of the positions I was taking up to avoid cramping must have looked hilarious.

    17/2/11

    Squat

    60,100,140 - warmups
    180 x1
    *belt on*
    200 x1
    220 x2
    210 x2
    200 x4

    Sotts Press
    bar x pffffffffffffftttt
    30kg x pffffffffffffffffft

    Oh Squats x some - I'm much better at these now. 60kg is where I stop being able to hold the shape though.

    Clean & Press
    100kg
    x0
    x1
    x1
    x0
    x1 (missed a second rep....just)

    Kickbacks vs Red Band
    3 sets per side

    Getting better at clean and press. It's weird but my max clean is about the same as my max press, the 2 misses were 1 missed clean and 1 missed press.

    The kickbacks are posteriorific when you add resistance. My ass had a serious case of pumphausens syndrome by proxy afterwards.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,863 ✭✭✭kevpants


    Catchy uppy

    19/2/11

    Bench:
    130 x 5 singles
    100kg a 10/3/3 rp

    Strict pullups
    10/3/2rp

    Push press
    80kg x3,x4,x2

    BB Row 80kg
    15/7/5rp

    Biceps+triceps


    Deadlift *beltless*

    240 x 1, x1
    220 x 2, x2

    Blue band ghr's
    x8,6,5,4,3

    Russina twists with 10kg plate


    Squat
    Worked up to 225 x 1, x 1
    215 x 1

    Seated BTN press
    50kg
    11/5/3rp

    Side raise 15kg plate
    14/8/7rp

    Hanging leg raises

    Non deadlifting deadlift day

    Good mornings:
    130 x3, x 3, x5

    Rack pulls (3rd pin, no belt)
    250 x 1, x 2, x1

    Power cleans
    Elbow pain ruined these... did high pulls with 100kg instead

    Bench
    135 x1
    120 x 3
    100 x8
    80x10

    BTN Press
    50kg x 5 x5 x3

    BB Row 50kg Strict form
    20/11/9/6/5 rp

    Biceps and triceps


    Good mornings
    130 x 5, x 5, x5

    Rack pulls (3rd pin, no belt)
    260 x 2
    250 x 2, x2

    Power cleans
    100x1
    110 x 0, x0
    100 x 1x1x1
    110 x 0, x 1 wahey! , x0

    Bench
    Worked up to 137.5 x 2 PR!
    130 x 3 PR!
    130 x 2
    100 x 9
    80 x 9

    Push press
    80kg x3 x3 x3

    Strict and slow side raises
    5kg plates
    10/7/5 rp

    BB Row strict
    80kg
    8/8/6 rp

    Triceps

    Good mornings
    135 x 5 x 5 x5

    Rack pulls
    250 x 1
    270 x 0.5 Just missed

    Power Cleans
    105 x1, x 0, x1, x0 ,x0

    So I've been busy. Major updates are:

    - Working on my deadlift in a big way through not deadlifting. Really my lower back gets fatigued too quickly from full pulls so GM's rack pulls and Cleans are my staple for the next few weeks. Heavy good mornings make you feel like a collosus
    - Taking a break from squatting, my elbows were badly wrecked again there from them. I've enquired about having a special bar made and might be purchasing very soon. This basically if an SSB isn't an option

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    - Bench is great at the moment. Doubled 137.5 like they were fake plates. Really pleased.
    - Bought a tub of Jack3d. They may have sent me crystal meth instead. It does give you dome energy and focus and I think it actually helps performance and recovery time as well but there are 3 stages:
    1. Energy stage: Great workout, really quick recovery and focus.
    2. Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas stage: Tripping off your tits as the effects start to wear off. Not a frantic energetic type of effect either, more of a sitting in your room talking to your curtains and not able to focus your eyes kind of experience.
    3 The Crash: Unbelievable. Like you downed a full bottle of sleep snoozy dreamy night night.

    It also disturbs your sleep. I had some seriously crazy dreams the other night while it was still in my system. Not #winning.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 16,165 ✭✭✭✭brianthebard


    Nice bench pb. How's the shot putting? Thought you had jacked before or was that something called pulse or something else? Blog more!


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 21,981 ✭✭✭✭Hanley


    What's going on with the power cleans? The reps seem hit and miss? You're deffo good for more weight based on your raw strength anyway.

    Nice benching too!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,863 ✭✭✭kevpants


    Nice bench pb. How's the shot putting? Thought you had jacked before or was that something called pulse or something else? Blog more!

    Don't have time for the shot putting. Became quickly apparent it takes up an equal amount of it not more time than my current training which I'm not willing to give up or pare back on.

    Blog needs serious attention. I get exactly 10 mins of internet time a day. If my life isn't sorted out by the summer I've promised myself and the family pants big changes.

    I had pulse before which was ok for a few sessions then I became immune. Jack3d is a different beast.

    Pulse was stimulant but Jack3d would appear to be a hallucinogen.
    Hanley wrote: »
    What's going on with the power cleans? The reps seem hit and miss? You're deffo good for more weight based on your raw strength anyway.

    Nice benching too!

    Lol. I sometimes pop them up on my shoulders no problem. Sometimes they hit me in the chest. I have zero technique but I'm just planning on plugging away and trying to move the bar as quickly as possible.

    The misses are all up at chest height so I'm hoping they illicit the same training effect. I mean whats the big benefit of getting down under the bar in time etc. The misses are high pulls ;)

    Plus I do them last and I'm friiiied after the GM's and Rack pulls.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 16,165 ✭✭✭✭brianthebard


    Bummer about the shot put, hope things get sorted out for you. I'm liking the sound of jack3d!!!!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,266 ✭✭✭COH


    I'm immune to jack3d... last time I took it I had 3 scoops then went for a nap. I think I need a break from stimulants in general


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 11,333 ✭✭✭✭itsallaboutheL


    Can i have your ball.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,266 ✭✭✭COH


    Can i have your balls.
    .


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,863 ✭✭✭kevpants


    COH wrote: »
    I'm immune to jack3d... last time I took it I had 3 scoops then went for a nap. I think I need a break from stimulants in general

    It's mad they all seem to have different ingredients so it's worth shopping around if you need a kick. I'm like you I've always been immune to most stimulants. I can have as much caffeine as I like and it does nothing. Pulse was the same really. Jack3d must just have something that affects me.

    Can i have your ball.

    No I still throw it by myself!


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,472 ✭✭✭Kev M


    Jack3d is awesome, but I find it kills the appetite worse than any other pre-wo. Try ALRI WTF if you get a chance. Good good supplement with a much nicer 'comedown'.


  • Registered Users Posts: 769 ✭✭✭Da Za


    With the shot put going out the window a bit, any thoughts on competing again? I know that you were only really competing once a year anyway.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 21,981 ✭✭✭✭Hanley


    Da Za wrote: »
    With the shot put going out the window...

    WAHEYYYYY!!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,863 ✭✭✭kevpants


    Da Za wrote: »
    With the shot put going out the window a bit, any thoughts on competing again? I know that you were only really competing once a year anyway.

    Oh yeah I definitely will. I'm very non commital about it though. I'm definitely not an ex-powerlifter yet.
    Hanley wrote: »
    WAHEYYYYY!!

    Don't laugh, it nearly happened.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,863 ✭✭✭kevpants


    Ohhh god logging is like a chore at this stage! So faaaaar behiiiind!:(

    Anyway just a quick bookmark as to what's up.

    The last 4 weeks have been nuts with life and stress and all the rest that stops you logging trianing but not actually training. Highlights:

    - Weight down to 97kg, I'm nearly 2 stone lighter than fat Kev and I'm delighted. In fairness the stress and the effect it had on my appetite are partially due credit here but I threw in a few Franley's at the end of workouts to speed things along.

    - Went to see an Osteopath for my terrible posture (any of my facebook friends look at my pictures for one of me holding the baby in a white t-shirt :eek:). Diagnosis: My right SI joint was marginally out of line and messing up everything. He basically felt me up and told me all my symptoms before I could tell him. Then he threw me around the room for 10 mins and when I stood up my protruding belly and exaggerated arched lower back were gone. They still are, 3 weeks later. Also after a session of GM's, rack pulls and cleans my LEFT lower back is fried. It feels great! I've never had any experience of muscle fatigue in my left lower back, buttock or hamstring. Never. They're now being asked to help and they're in bits as a result. Once they get up to speed hopefully I'll notice a big difference strength wise.

    - I didn't squat for a full month due to the lower back issue, started back last week and my form has completely changed post osteo. My right hip is under huge stress and I'm descending at a funny angle. All my support muscles are presumably being asked to different amounts of work and it'll take time to adjust.

    - My bench held firm at 145kg during the weight loss. Trained it quite a lot and have been chinning and pulling up like nobody's business while keeping my shoulder work really high too. Several times a week for bench, shoulders and back and I seem to have it cracked... for now.

    - Deadlift, haven't done it in weeks, I've been doing good mornings and rack pulls with some cleans. I pulled 280 x 3 singles from just above the kneecap last week and I good morning'd 140kg for 3 handy reps last night. I'm trying not to actually deadlift because it seems to do nothing but make me tired and injured.

    That's it. I'll keep this updated more often even if it's only summary tuff like this. I'm kind of sick of writing...

    120x3
    130x2
    140x1
    110x8 blah blah blah

    Maybe I'll video myself explaining how training is going through the medium of modern dance or something.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,863 ✭✭✭kevpants


    Wordy update time. The last little while I’ve decided to re-focus how I’m training to try something new up to when I head on hols the first week in June. since I lost weight I have this overwhelming urge to push my conditioning as hard as it will go. Haven’t done that in a long time, last weight loss was due to lo-carb, so I’m thinking I can try to get my fat as low as I can and my general animalness as high as I can over the next 4 weeks.

    I’ve instantly stumbled across the holy grail of exercises if you want to test your metal. Tabata front squats.

    Now I mean real Tabata. Use a timer so you can’t count to 10 really slowly for rest periods and you go as hard and fast as you can when you are “on”. I think I saw god the other day after these and I’m now so sore I can’t go down stairs. Just can’t do it. I’ve tried plenty of tortuous stuff in the past. 20 rep squats with my 10 rep max, Crossfit WOD’s, Hill sprints to failure, absolutely nothing comes close to the feeling after Tabata front squats. I downloaded a Tabata app for my phone so I just go by the whistle on it and I loaded up 40kg. Probably a bit high for a first time but I hate starting slowly.

    I doubt I’d be able to do these too many times a week and still live but we’ll see. I’ll throw in some ridiculous barbell complexes with them and track my progress on how much fat I lose and how much fitter I get.

    Other highlights of the last weeks:

    tested deadlift – 240kg easy 260kg fail
    Bench is still 140kg+ by calculation which is baffling.
    Squat is in the sh1tter for some reason, seems to be to do with my hamstring involvement.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,863 ✭✭✭kevpants


    Last session was benching off a foam roller a la Will Heffernan to remove the eccentric rebound effect and also to load up the weight. Did 140kg for 3 and a few more doubles. Did a round of shoulder work which was really aripoff of the deFranco routine. It was:

    20kg plate raise x 8
    10kg side raises x 8
    20kg plate raise x 8
    10kg side raises x 8

    rest 1 min

    Repeat the above.

    It's quick and it hurts which ticks the boxes.

    I'm getting much better at pullups which I don't think I've mentioned. I do them all dead hand and with a pause at the bottom. Last session I did 35 in total with a medley of different grip pronations and widths. This session I did 36 and I'll continuer to add until that number gets stupid then I'll make them weighted and go back to 35. Repeat for rest of natural life.

    It's Monday and I did tabata front squats on Tuesday last, I still have DOMS and can't really do down stairs walking.This is a massive DOMS PR for me. 6 frickin days!

    I'm going to do them today again at lunch. I may well have to consider an "alternative" lifestyle such is the amount of mincing around the place I'm doing as a result of the pain in my legs.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,863 ✭✭✭kevpants


    So yeah the lunchtime tabatas didnt happen. I planned on squatting somewhat heavy first then finishing off with the tabatas. I worked up to 180 and on the first rep my lower right back went pop, same as here. I can hardly walk.

    Trying to figure this out, my right glute was really sore and tingly yesterday but my posture still seems good so I don't really think the SI joint and bad posture have returned. My theory on it is that for the last few days my quads have been so sore from last weeks tabatas that I've been walking rather strangely and not really bending my right knee to prevent the unbelievable pain in my right quad. I think this could ahve been causing my glute to help and get badly fatigued then it let me down today squatting and my lower back went bang.

    I can't buy a feckin break! I never seem to get any momentum with training anymore.

    Already iced it and I'm gonna go and bully a pharmacist into selling me nurofen plus this afternoon.

    Hopefully it heals quick enough for me to front squat soon so at least I can keep this tabata thing going until hols. From experience it will swell and stiffen badly for the next 3 days. I iced it pretty quickly and plan on takin plenty of painkillesr so hopefully by 3 or 4 days I'll be able to perform stuff that doesn't put it under too much pressure.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,175 ✭✭✭✭Sangre


    Nightmare. Hope you're back logging soon. One of the most interesting logs imo.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,863 ✭✭✭kevpants


    Sangre wrote: »
    Nightmare. Hope you're back logging soon. One of the most interesting logs imo.

    Cheers.

    Today's update. Took 20 mins to get out of bed. Long hot shower made it possible to go downstairs. Worked from home for obvious reasons.

    After 4 hrs of waterboarding, a 6 page essay and a full background check a pharmacist agreed to sell me 3 nurofen plus tablets so long as I promised to slice and take wafer thin pieces of the tablets and stop taking them after 3 days. This is the first time I tried to buy them since the ban came in, I've been living off the massive swag of painkillers the doc gave my wife when she left the maternity hospital. Think it's time for an addition to the family I can't be handling this nurofen plus crap!

    Confident this is just a muscular thing and that I haven't messed up my SI again but I'll look at it after the swelling and stifness subsides. It will be pretty obvious if it's gone back.

    One thing I've noticed so much now that my posture has changed is how badly imbalanced my muscles really were. The title of this log is pretty ironic. The arched back I had made me think my ass was huge as it really stuck out, now that I've straightened up I have very little glute or hamstring mass to speak of. Realistically they're a bit wasted. Had I not been training so much these past few yeares I'd say I'd be in an awful way. It really is no wonder this happened.

    apparently Lordosis (curvature of lower back) causes a few things:
    - lower back fatigue and injurys (check)
    - wastage and dormancy of glutes and hamstrings (check)
    - stretching and weakening of abs and suporting trunk muscles (Check??)

    The third one is weird, I've always prided myself on the amount of ab work I do and how they help support me but I reckon they're probably pretty weak. I seem to be the only one who gets ab-cramp ALL THE TIME. Everytime I do any kind of ab work I get bad cramp across my stomach. Not a "I'm gonna sh1t myself" cramp but a muscular one. Hanley will atest to me begging him to pull my arms back and up as I lay face down on the ground in TF trying to un-cramp my abs. I think they've been compromised by being overstretch all the time.

    I really need all these muscles to catch up. Gotta throw away aspirations of maintaining a certain total from a powerlifting perspective and really just get healthy. What I mean is I might have to switch to wide stance squats and maybe start squatting off a box so they become a posterior chain movement. My quads can lift just about anything and the fact that they're so massive and dominant aparently really pulls the pelvis into that lodotic position, I'm the poster child for quad dominance. Maybe they need to be ignored for a year or so and let me get my glutes as strong. A real tester of this is how I cna engage them. I can flick my quds and flec them really easily and the bounce and move around at my will, sorta like the "dancing pecs" thing you can do not but not before you started benching. I can only really flex my right glute and even then not very well. My left one just kind of pulses if I try to felx it. How bad is that?

    Also a permananent switch to sumo DL's is probably for the best. I've managed to pull 250kg with no glutes or hamstrings so it can only help. Jesus when I think of the loads I've been asking my tiny little lower back muscle to move all these years. It's a wonder I've really only had 2 or 3 bad breakdowns in them.

    Overall I'm very frustrated right now. Want to train!!


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,917 ✭✭✭Barry.Oglesby


    Lordosis can also cause a gradual degeneration of the facet joints. These in turn cause pain and discomfort and loss of sensation when the disc gets pinched and becomes inflamed. I'm no Doctor, but I think your problem isn't muscular.

    Take this from a fellow Neurofen scabber (the laws are driving me to get my codeine from the back streets).


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,863 ✭✭✭kevpants


    Lordosis can also cause a gradual degeneration of the facet joints. These in turn cause pain and discomfort and loss of sensation when the disc gets pinched and becomes inflamed. I'm no Doctor, but I think your problem isn't muscular.

    Yeah I think the muscular thing is a symptom. Like they've weakened over time.

    The lordosis is gone since my trip to the Osteo so that's got to be positive. I can now palpably feel my hamstrings and glutes stabilising me when I'm standing around rather than always feeling it in my lower back.

    Never heard of facet joints before though I'm sure I've fucked them up as well! I've no idea of the health of the discs etc in my back.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,175 ✭✭✭✭Sangre


    Think I've pretty pronounced lordosis as well. Might try and use this as motivation for actually addressing the problem.

    Is it a case of loosening out the hips and strengthening the abs or is there more to it?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,863 ✭✭✭kevpants


    Sangre wrote: »
    Think I've pretty pronounced lordosis as well. Might try and use this as motivation for actually addressing the problem.

    Is it a case of loosening out the hips and strengthening the abs or is there more to it?

    I've no idea. I don't think losening the hips or activating the glutes is enough to actually fix the tilt in your pelvis. I had an osteopath manipulate me and that's the only time I ever noticed an improvement.

    I'm thinking the tight hips and weak muscles might be symptoms rather than causes but also the fact that my spine and pelvis isn't being suported properly is bad well.

    Sure we'll see how I get on. It's a pretty specific thing to everyone really. My back problems might be caused by different issues to yours.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 11,333 ✭✭✭✭itsallaboutheL


    My terribly basic knowledge of lordosis is that it's caused by very tight hip flexors and weak ass extensors (geddit:pac:)

    Ergo stretch hip flexors, stregthen glutes and hams (RDLs, hip Thrusts?)

    I do wonder how much of the KevPants Ab Pulldowns were hip flexor and how much were abs :/

    In a slightly related note, i think, and i maye be imagining it, that i've been able to get into my hip flexors with the end of a roller/ball manouvering from the groin rolling position.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,863 ✭✭✭kevpants


    I do wonder how much of the KevPants Ab Pulldowns were hip flexor and how much were abs :/

    Good point. That video is a youtube sensation now though so it doesnt matter


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,144 ✭✭✭Parsley


    kevpants wrote: »
    Good point. That video is a youtube sensation now though so it doesnt matter

    which?? link? :pac:

    :edit: nevermind, found it!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 11,333 ✭✭✭✭itsallaboutheL


    kevpants wrote: »
    Good point. That video is a youtube sensation now though so it doesnt matter

    Holy ****, disabling comments and everything, i can't believe you kept that quiet!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,863 ✭✭✭kevpants


    Been humming and hawwing about logging and generally participating in this forum for a while now, but I can officially say that I'm back.

    For the past 5 months I've been engaged in a pretty epic battle of Michael Bay CGI proportions with my old friend anxiety. I've spoken here before about having OCD (kind of post traumatic stress disorder related ever since childhood) and that I'm not ashamed of it. It's my cross, others have worse. For whatever reason it decided in March to kick the living crap our of me with a ferocity I haven't experienced from it in years. At the lowest point it left me shaking in bed at 3am wondering if there was any way out of this other than death. I don't suffer from depression per se but suffice to day having a 3 month long panic attack will leave you feeling more than a little blue. I feel bad for stopping logging and posting while this was going on but I was kind of saving it as a little reward for myself when I was better. That was probably stupid but whatever. Not going to whinge on about it but I'm coming out of the fight now, not back to my best but I have it on the ropes.

    It's been a hard time, worse seeing the effect on wifepants and babypants but I managed to keep being a dad and a husband and didn't miss any work despite the pretty much constant mental pain. More importantly ;) I didn't stop training either.

    The thing about anxiety is it sure does burn calories, also makes it hard to eat. So my weight went down to a trim 15st 1lb, I'm now back to 15st 4lb but I'm still 2st lighter than fat kevpants. I managed to keep most of my strength when this was going on, I needed to lose weight anyway even though this wouldn't be anyones preferred method for losing it I decided to take advantage of it. I'm in the best physical shape I've been in quite some time!

    Through some miracle of nature my squat and deadlift are really the lifts that have suffered. I can still bench 140kg easily enough despite not training it that often and dropping all this weight. I dunno what that's about. I'm sumo deadlifting to try and get my glutes and hamds up to speed. I also want to box squat but don't have said box. Need to get one of those.

    I didn't want to just start logging again with no explanation for the break, particularly because this is a forum with probably a higher % of young men hanging around it than most others and I've been around here quite a while and people prob have an idea of who I am. If letting young blokes know that I have to deal with this sh1t makes someone realise they aren't the only ones or gets someone to talk to someone instead of suffering in silence then it's worth it. There's some kind of epidemic of mental illness among young men in particular that's really disturbing and the stigma around it is still there.

    I'm not a crazy person, I don't hear voices or talk to myself, I'm a normal bloke. Because my anxiety is categorized as OCD people think I repeatedly wash my hands or turn the light switch on and off 7 times before leaving the room. I do none of that. When this first became a problem I was nearly 24 and even when it was at its worst never did I think it was a "mental illness" because as I said I wasn't crazy. Mental illness isn't craziness. If your anxiety or worry or guilt get to the point where you can't function, that's mental illness. It doesn't just happen to other people and isn't something that stands out all your life. It's not about sitting at home dressed as a spice girl smearing mustard on your private parts, it's about all those young people in your community who took their own lives out of the blue. They were mentally ill but didn't even know it in most cases.

    So look. Anyone who reads this and is even slightly reminded of themselves if they are harbouring anxiety or worries or guilt that seems too shameful or embarrasing to talk about, go and talk to someone. If you can't talk to someone you know or even feckin send me a PM if you like, if you don't want to do that then just make an appointment with a GP. It's not about being a mental case or being given antidepressants (I don't take any) or being locked up in a home. You just deal with things in an unhealthy way and need to get help changing that. Happiness is not the absence of problems but the ability to deal with them.

    So yeah... lifting things.

    8/8/11

    sumo's

    220 x 1
    230 x miss
    220 x 1
    220 x 1

    I'll slowly add weight to these singles over the next few weeks. Mad the way 220kg can fly but 230 is nailed down. Sumos are just like that I suppose.

    Single leg deadlifts - 40kg bar

    x15, x10 per side with no break between sets (didn't put the bar down)
    Left x 15
    *break*
    Right x 15

    Abs vs red bands and side bends with 40kg bar.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 21,981 ✭✭✭✭Hanley


    tl;dr


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 21,981 ✭✭✭✭Hanley


    ...just kidding, good to have ya back :D

    I bumped your westside for confused b*stards thread while you were gone and got it added to the useful threads link, so you weren't forgotten!


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