nullzero wrote: » How am I ridiculing people based on my comments about religion? I said I feel religion is a waste of time and I don't believe in it. I then said I would never ridicule somebody who chooses to believe in religion. There is a clear statement there telling the reader that I am not ridiculing people for their religious beliefs. If you think that there is some way that could be seen as ridicule then you should go back, read it again and pay attention this time before you get up on your high horse. You're so desperate to be "right". You came here saying certain people deserve to be ridiculed. Then you try to accuse me of hypocrisy and in your last post your'e falsely stating that what wrote about religion could be viewed as ridicule which makes you a hypocrite seeing you're defending the right of people with religious views to be free from ridicule when you're more than happy to ridicule someone for believing in CT's.
Di0genes wrote: » Comedy and ridicule are important. Believes should be able to stand up to mockery and laughter. And furthermore no one should be so po faced that they should not be able to accept a degree of mockery and laughter. Beliefs shoudl not be respected to the point that it is illegal and immoral to mock them. I firmly belief that the church's authority in Ireland was kept in place by the inability to mock them. Ridiculing beliefs is important.
Wolfe Tone wrote: Mentioned UFOs to a mate the other day, cue much laughter.
Tuxy wrote: How can anyone argue against the existence of flying objects that may not be identifiable?
jive wrote: » I've already explained how it could be construed as ridicule (note: see 'fairies'). I'm not desperate to be right - I just don't like when people tell lies which is essentially what conspiracy theorists do. My belief is that conspiracy theorists should be ridiculed when they are known to be spouting falsities. I've already told you the difference between religion and conspiracy theories. Religion serves a purpose whereas conspiracy theories do not and if anything do more bad than good.
nullzero wrote: » I agree with the above, and I never argued that people should be humourless and take offence at everything. Look back over my posts, pay attention and you'll see as much.
Your attempt to bait me was what I called pathetic.
humanji wrote: » Jive, I'm at a loss as to how you can condemn conspiracy theories but have no problem with religion. Belief in a conspiracy does not automatically line the pockets of those who sell DVD's, much in the same way as giving money to a church on Sunday isn't paying off child molesters. Personally, I'd have more time for someone who talks about a conspiracy than I would for someone who talks about an invisible space pixie. Oh, and there's plenty of conspiracies that have been proven. Wikileaks exposed a few, most notably the US attack chopper that killed some reporters in either Iraq or Afghanistan. There was a conspiracy to cover it up, and it was exposed. There will always be people who ridicule beliefs. The only thing you can really do about it is ignore those who ridicule you, or be able to argue your point in a manner that would explain why you believe. That's the problem with conspiracies (and religion) in general. Lots of people automatically assume a position and argue from that point. And the more fervent you are that you're right, the more others who don't share your belief will want to prove you wrong. It's a truly bizarre situation that results in people being anonymous on the net, yet still not wanting to lose face. The whole point of conspriacy theories is that you pretty much don't know if it's real or not. Sometimes you can come up with an answer, but most of the time it's just speculation. If people can keep in mind that they may not always be right, they can try and find the answers instead of trying to force their belief onto others.
Brown Bomber wrote: » You spouting an awful lot of falsities there yourself Jive. Do I have your permission to ridicule you?
Di0genes wrote: » Nullzero you are humourless and take offence at every perceived slight. See?
nullzero wrote: » What a statement. This is of course in your own opinion. We can't make people agree with us, we have to accept that others will take a different viewpoint, otherwise you'd spend your life taking offence. When I see somebody come out with a statment like that highlighted above it does serve to make the person making the statement look like quite a judgemental person lacking somewhat in terms of tact. I for instance don't agree with religious beliefs of any kind. The fact that religious beliefs are to my mind highly illogical and the fact that people allow themsleves to be dicatated to by their religious leaders is from a neutral perspective tantamount to a form of insanity does not make me feel that all or any people with religious beliefs are deserving of ridicule. The world we live in is enriched by the diversity of beliefs and peoples all around us. It should be obvious to see ridiculing somebody for any reason which might cause offence is highly immoral and something to be avoided by those wishing to be part of an understanding, informed and inclusive society.
nullzero wrote: » Are you serious? I said previously that people shouldn't take offence all the time, read over my posts. You also said Ridiculing people for their beliefs is wrong, plain and simple. I don't feel that anyone is deserving of ridicule. I can't keep track of your paradoxical statements. As for your "See?" Comment, I'm not humourless. You're just assuming I am. You're not shattering that illusion of mine. I haven't taken offence to anything you've said to me. You attempted to bait me with the South Park thing and that was a pathetic attempt at baiting me, I wasn't in the least bit offended. No nullzero you're not humourless, you're about to embark on a three week sell out tour of Vulcan comedy clubs. (that's a joke btw)
I said previously that people shouldn't take offence all the time, read over my posts.
Ridiculing people for their beliefs is wrong, plain and simple.
I don't feel that anyone is deserving of ridicule.
As for your "See?" Comment,
I'm not humourless. You're just assuming I am.
I haven't taken offence to anything you've said to me. You attempted to bait me with the South Park thing and that was a pathetic attempt at baiting me, I wasn't in the least bit offended.
jive wrote: » By giving their websites hits you are lining their pockets, yes. If you go to church and give the church money then yes you are essentially funding an organisation which has been shown to protect rapists which I also wouldn't agree with. I have a lot of problems with religion but the fact of the matter is it is inherent in society now and you can't do anything about it. It's a story for another day but like I said at least it serves a purpose. Sitting around on your laptop debating about subjects the person has little knowledge about (e.g. how many engineers were familiar with the steel that was in the twin towers and how much heat would be generated from a plan crash and also what structural damage a commercial plane would cause and trained to work out this kind of stuff - I'll hazard a guess at none) My problem with conspiracy theorists on the internet is this : they cannot admit they are wrong. They are proven wrong but just choose to ignore it and continue to spread lies. Wikileaks exposes war crimes among other things, and they actively going out seeking documents and releasing them for the world to see. Conspiracy theorists are typically uneducated in the field they are arguing and it shows. From reading this forum they appear to lack common sense and as a result I can't take any conspiracy theorists seriously. I'm sure there are some sensible and well knowledgeable ones but the conspiracy theorist community as a whole is filled with pseudo-intellectual morons. My opinion isn't going to change so I'll stop posting here as I think I've made my point clear. Yeah feel free to highlight them and ridicule them as you wish. If not then don't mention them and not elaborate.
Rds1989 wrote: » One of my closest friends mentioned in passing that he believed 9/11 was an inside job, straight away my other 3 friends ganged up on him calling him insane if he believes that sort of stuff and referring to Reptllians and Jim Corr. I said i believed it was too giving them some of the facts, they didn't even attempt to engage with it. Have you ever experienced this sort of reaction?
uprising2 wrote: » RDS
uprising2 wrote: » Espinolman thats sick what happened to your head at 18, almost killing you for having alternative thoughts, a lot of the time I must admit I don't get some of your theories, but WTF?, leaving you for dead because you think different than them.
Brown Bomber wrote: » Welcome back. It's not the same here without you so try and keep the head in future :pac:
Di0genes wrote: » espinoalman what were the beliefs that got you so badly injuried?
uprising2 wrote: » It doesn't really matter does it?, there are pricks that will do that to you if they want to be bullies and think you are a soft target or simply outnumbered, it happens all the time. A fella I know in Finglas got blasted a few nights ago, he's not into anything criminal activity whatsoever, was just in the wrong place at the wrong time, it's part of life around these parts, it was mistaken identity.
Di0genes wrote: » I'm curious to know what you say and and do that makes violence such a sudden reaction.
uprising2 wrote: » It doesn't really matter what his beliefs are or were at the time, I'm 99% sure he would have still got the same treatment even if he had the exact same beliefs as them.
espinolman wrote: » I have been threatened and then ridiculed by i think it is the MIB on a free energy forum yesterday .
Monty Burnz wrote: » Espinolman, can you give us a little more information about the time those idiots attacked you? I'd be more interested in the events that lead up to the attack rather than the attack itself, which I'm sure you don't enjoy thinking about.
espinolman wrote: » http://www.besslerwheel.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=86494#86494 Here is the link to the post , it is very subtle the way he is doing it , but many posters on that forum will be afraid after reading that . I had to delete posts there just before that , because they went berserk when i posted it . Some of us have solved the bessler wheel , we have been told not to tell anyone .
Monty Burnz wrote: » I meant the physical attack you mentioned earlier in the thread, but I'll have a look at that link anyway.
espinolman wrote: » Oh sorry , i thought you meant the previous post .
