Have you ever been ridiculed for your beliefs?

Rds1989

One of my closest friends mentioned in passing that he believed 9/11 was an inside job, straight away my other 3 friends ganged up on him calling him insane if he believes that sort of stuff and referring to Reptllians and Jim Corr. I said i believed it was too giving them some of the facts, they didn't even attempt to engage with it. Have you ever experienced this sort of reaction?

Wolfe Tone

Mentioned UFOs to a mate the other day, cue much laughter.

Monty Burnz

Rds1989 wrote: »

Have you ever experienced this sort of reaction?

If you were one of the people who pointed out the property bubble between 2002-2007, you would already have been very familiar with this phenomenon.

Talk E

Rds1989 wrote: »

One of my closest friends mentioned in passing that he believed 9/11 was an inside job, straight away my other 3 friends ganged up on him calling him insane if he believes that sort of stuff and referring to Reptllians and Jim Corr. I said i believed it was too giving them some of the facts, they didn't even attempt to engage with it. Have you ever experienced this sort of reaction?

All the time mate. I suppose the answer is just keep speaking what you believe to be the truth, even though that truth was probably implanted into you're skull; wirelessly from your parents skulls and their parents skulls, leading all the way up to the guys pulling the levers. And those guys have skulls too.

Wolfe Tone

Talk E wrote: »

All the time mate. I suppose the answer is just keep speaking what you believe to be the truth, even though that truth was probably implanted into you're skull; wirelessly from your parents skulls and their parents skulls, leading all the way up to the guys pulling the levers. And those guys have skulls too.

Skulduggery!

nullzero

I'm not sure if I have solid beliefs in terms of CT's.
I like to entertain ideas and I sometimes discuss them with people.
I've met with oppossing arguments which is normal, but the only place I've ever been ridiculed about discussing CT topics in this forum if I'm honest.

tuxy

Wolfe Tone wrote: »

Mentioned UFOs to a mate the other day, cue much laughter.

How can anyone argue against the existence of flying objects that may not be identifiable?

espinolman

When i was 18 years old i got beaten up very badly because of my beliefs .
I remember there were these lads they were all laughing at me , they picked up bricks and threw them at my head , i lost pints of blood that gushed out of my head , and nearly died that day .
You should report anyone who ridicules your beliefs to the garda siochana .

Monty Burnz

espinolman wrote: »

You should report anyone who ridicules your beliefs to the garda siochana .

Why?

Undergod

espinolman wrote: »

When i was 18 years old i got beaten up very badly because of my beliefs .
I remember there were these lads they were all laughing at me , they picked up bricks and threw them at my head , i lost pints of blood that gushed out of my head , and nearly died that day .
You should report anyone who ridicules your beliefs to the garda siochana .

That sounds terrible, did you bring it to the guards?

I don't think you should necessarily go to the police just for ridicule- it's not going to come to that kind of violence in most cases, it's not a crime in and of itself, and the gardaí will probably not be best pleased with you for taking up their time.

Di0genes

espinolman wrote: »

When i was 18 years old i got beaten up very badly because of my beliefs .
I remember there were these lads they were all laughing at me , they picked up bricks and threw them at my head , i lost pints of blood that gushed out of my head , and nearly died that day ..

Out of curiosity what beliefs where these?

You should report anyone who ridicules your beliefs to the garda siochana

epionolman you're vehemently anti nwo, and suspicious of the state so why would the police help you?

Means Of Escape

Rds1989 wrote: »

One of my closest friends mentioned in passing that he believed 9/11 was an inside job, straight away my other 3 friends ganged up on him calling him insane if he believes that sort of stuff and referring to Reptllians and Jim Corr. I said i believed it was too giving them some of the facts, they didn't even attempt to engage with it. Have you ever experienced this sort of reaction?

Log on to corkskeptics.org and you will find the answers my friend

espinolman

Monty Burnz wrote: »

Why?

Because such people , who ridicule your beliefs are dangerous .

espinolman

Di0genes wrote: »

epionolman you're vehemently anti nwo, and suspicious of the state so why would the police help you?

Do you think the nwo wants police !
The thugs who ridicule your beleifs should be reported to the police so that if they kill you , the police will know who to investigate .

Monty Burnz

espinolman wrote: »

Because such people , who ridicule your beliefs are dangerous .

Can you give me an example of anyone in Ireland who has been killed due to their beliefs in the last - say - 25 years?

I would say that people who ridicule your beliefs may be impolite (depending on their tone). I don't think that they are dangerous. In fact, it's usually the people who have the strange beliefs who are dangerous.

Di0genes

espinolman wrote: »

Do you think the nwo wants police !
The thugs who ridicule your beleifs should be reported to the police so that if they kill you , the police will know who to investigate .

And these beliefs were?

villabren

Rds1989 wrote: »

One of my closest friends mentioned in passing that he believed 9/11 was an inside job, straight away my other 3 friends ganged up on him calling him insane if he believes that sort of stuff and referring to Reptllians and Jim Corr. I said i believed it was too giving them some of the facts, they didn't even attempt to engage with it. Have you ever experienced this sort of reaction?

No, but my younger brother and his friend believed that theory after seeing that Loose Change film and I have to admit I did take the mickey a bit. We did talk it out in a civil manner as well mind you. Think they've changed their mind now

Di0genes

It really depends.

The JREF forum conspiracy theory forum is dedicated to discussing conspiracy theories. It has very strict rules on language, and civility.

However they have a monthly thread called the stundies where the silliest conspiracy theories of the month are mocked.

http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=208429

Is my favourite

The snow is melting faster because of daylight savings time. There is the same amount of sunlight, but the extra hour of afternoon sun is warmer than the hour of morning sun. Go back to standard time and the melting will slow down and less flooding. Problem solved.

espinolman

Di0genes wrote: »

However they have a monthly thread called the stundies where the silliest conspiracy theories of the month are mocked.

That could be hurtful to the people who are being mocked .

Monty Burnz

espinolman wrote: »

That could be hurtful to the people who are being mocked .

It could. But it must also be hurtful to be accused of being part of an evil conspiracy when you are not.

espinolman

Monty Burnz wrote: »

It could. But it must also be hurtful to be accused of being part of an evil conspiracy when you are not.

Yes it can be .

2wsxcde3

I've been ridiculed for this http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056258519

yosemite_sam

Rds1989 wrote: »

One of my closest friends mentioned in passing that he believed 9/11 was an inside job, straight away my other 3 friends ganged up on him calling him insane if he believes that sort of stuff and referring to Reptllians and Jim Corr. I said i believed it was too giving them some of the facts, they didn't even attempt to engage with it. Have you ever experienced this sort of reaction?

I get ribbed for being a Spurs fan

Monty Burnz

espinolman wrote: »

Yes it can be .

So does this mean you will be slower to accuse people of taking part in conspiracies without very good evidence?

CiaranMT

2wsxcde3 wrote: »

I've been ridiculed for this http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056258519

Ridicule? Point out the posters who are ridiculing you.

espinolman

Monty Burnz wrote: »

So does this mean you will be slower to accuse people of taking part in conspiracies without very good evidence?

Yes . And i will say again , i am not part of a conspiracy to take over the world .

Di0genes

2wsxcde3 wrote: »

I've been ridiculed for this http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056258519

That ridicule was a trickle that came with a torrent of polite facts and information explaining how wrong you are.

2wsxcde3

Di0genes wrote: »

That ridicule was a trickle that came with a torrent of polite facts and information explaining how wrong you are.

I was told to go inject myself with HIV. It was hardly polite.

Monty Burnz

espinolman wrote: »

Yes . And i will say again , i am not part of a conspiracy to take over the world .

I believe you, 100%. But I don't think anyone here accused you of that, did they?

Monty Burnz

2wsxcde3 wrote: »

I was told to go inject myself with HIV. It was hardly polite.

Why would it be impolite to tell someone to inject themselves with something that the person says is harmless?

If I said to you that water is harmless, you would be within your rights to suggest to me that I get a water injection. If I chickened out of it for some reason, perhaps that might be seen as undermining my claims that it is harmless.

jive

Most conspiracy theorists deserve to be ridiculed because their beliefs are based on erroneous facts that have been spouted by a chancer who wanted to make a quick buck on the internet. You like to believe your opinion holds more weight than another persons because they are just 'sheep' and you know the real truth but the reality of it is you are deluded and mislead.

2wsxcde3

Monty Burnz wrote: »

Why would it be impolite to tell someone to inject themselves with something that the person says is harmless?

If I said to you that water is harmless, you would be within your rights to suggest to me that I get a water injection. If I chickened out of it for some reason, perhaps that might be seen as undermining my claims that it is harmless.

Injecting yourself with water could cause an ambulism. I wouldn't advise it.

We all have viruses in our bodies. Ever get a cold sore? That's a virus lodged at the top of your spine. It's a relatively harmless virus but i wouldn't go injecting myself with it at the same time.

Monty Burnz

2wsxcde3 wrote: »

Injecting yourself with water could cause an ambulism. I wouldn't advise it.

An ambulism? Is that something to do with walking?

2wsxcde3 wrote: »

We all have viruses in our bodies. Ever get a cold sore? That's a virus lodged at the top of your spine. It's a relatively harmless virus but i wouldn't go injecting myself with it at the same time.

So is HIV harmless or not?

2wsxcde3

Monty Burnz wrote: »

So is HIV harmless or not?

According to Deusberg, no. It's not going to kill you just like cold sores aren't going to kill you. But cold sores are better than the medical establishment telling you you are going to die in about 20-25 years time and the only way you can slow it down is to take this extremely toxic pill (AZT) everyday till you do die.

Penn

If anyone is ridiculed on this forum, please report the post.

As for this thread, please keep on topic and keep the discussions to occasions of ridicule that happened outside of this forum. Thanks.

nullzero

jive wrote: »

Most conspiracy theorists deserve to be ridiculed because their beliefs are based on erroneous facts that have been spouted by a chancer who wanted to make a quick buck on the internet. You like to believe your opinion holds more weight than another persons because they are just 'sheep' and you know the real truth but the reality of it is you are deluded and mislead.

What a statement.
This is of course in your own opinion.
We can't make people agree with us, we have to accept that others will take a different viewpoint, otherwise you'd spend your life taking offence.

When I see somebody come out with a statment like that highlighted above it does serve to make the person making the statement look like quite a judgemental person lacking somewhat in terms of tact.

Ridiculing people for their beliefs is wrong, plain and simple.

I for instance don't agree with religious beliefs of any kind. The fact that religious beliefs are to my mind highly illogical and the fact that people allow themsleves to be dicatated to by their religious leaders is from a neutral perspective tantamount to a form of insanity does not make me feel that all or any people with religious beliefs are deserving of ridicule.

I don't feel that anyone is deserving of ridicule.
The world we live in is enriched by the diversity of beliefs and peoples all around us. It should be obvious to see ridiculing somebody for any reason which might cause offence is highly immoral and something to be avoided by those wishing to be part of an understanding, informed and inclusive society.

Di0genes

nullzero wrote: »

What a statement.
This is of course in your own opinion.
We can't make people agree with us, we have to accept that others will take a different viewpoint, otherwise you'd spend your life taking offence.

When I see somebody come out with a statment like that highlighted above it does serve to make the person making the statement look like quite a judgemental person lacking somewhat in terms of tact.

Ridiculing people for their beliefs is wrong, plain and simple.

I for instance don't agree with religious beliefs of any kind. The fact that religious beliefs are to my mind highly illogical and the fact that people allow themsleves to be dicatated to by their religious leaders is from a neutral perspective tantamount to a form of insanity does not make me feel that all or any people with religious beliefs are deserving of ridicule.

I don't feel that anyone is deserving of ridicule.
.

Do you enjoy south park?

nullzero

Di0genes wrote: »

Do you enjoy south park?

Am I missing the joke?

jive

nullzero wrote: »

What a statement.
This is of course in your own opinion.
We can't make people agree with us, we have to accept that others will take a different viewpoint, otherwise you'd spend your life taking offence.

When I see somebody come out with a statment like that highlighted above it does serve to make the person making the statement look like quite a judgemental person lacking somewhat in terms of tact.

Ridiculing people for their beliefs is wrong, plain and simple.

I for instance don't agree with religious beliefs of any kind. The fact that religious beliefs are to my mind highly illogical and the fact that people allow themsleves to be dicatated to by their religious leaders is from a neutral perspective tantamount to a form of insanity does not make me feel that all or any people with religious beliefs are deserving of ridicule.

I don't feel that anyone is deserving of ridicule.
The world we live in is enriched by the diversity of beliefs and peoples all around us. It should be obvious to see ridiculing somebody for any reason which might cause offence is highly immoral and something to be avoided by those wishing to be part of an understanding, informed and inclusive society.

I feel that people spouting known falsities are deserving of ridicule. If they have access to the information they should be able to find out what is factual and what is not. This forum and all conspiracy theorists I have come across is full of erroneous statements based on nothings from a few ill informed people searching for a story where there isn't one.

I don't believe in religion either, but I don't ridicule them. Religious people are brought up with religion and there is no changing them and there is no point in trying; each to their own. Conspiracy theorists, however, were not brought up to believe in conspiracies which for the most part are ridiculous and in this day and age people should know better.

This whole 9/11 was an inside job and all the rest of it are disrespectful to the families of the dead who have people on ground zero forcing dvds down their throats when they are mourning. 9/11 would have required a relatively large number of people to know about it to make it happen - people would willingly have had to have ended their lives to crash planes as well as taking the lives of others with them - how many immoral people are there? How can you trust that one of them wouldn't have squeeled? Not only that but all this took about the steel being able to handle this that and the other is ridiculous and has been disproven yet people still go on about Loose Change like it's gospel while preaching it to the families of the dead who don't deserve to be harassed in such a manner. At least religion serves a purpose to teach right and wrong - conspiracy theories achieve nothing and if anything do damage which is why I think that all bogus conspiracy theorists deserved to be ridiculed.

I don't know what I was infracted for above but I assume I've broken some more forum charter rules above somewhere because I was typing fairly fast. If there's something wrong with the post just edit that bit out I can't be arsed getting banned over this.


EDIT: here is a prime example from a poster above. "We all have viruses in our bodies. Ever get a cold sore? That's a virus lodged at the top of your spine. It's a relatively harmless virus but i wouldn't go injecting myself with it at the same time." - NO. This is false. A quick google would even show you this is false. You must be aware that you are actually lying? A cold sore is caused by human herpes virus 1 (or herpes simplex virus 1). It has 2 programs of gene expression - latent and lytic. Lytic = cold sore. Latent = becomes dormant and re-appears periodically giving you cold sores. "lodged in the top of your spine" LOL. It causes a lesion in the oro-facial region so what makes you think it's 'lodged in your spine'? :S

With regards to the post you made about HIV - it is a known fact that HIV progresses to AIDS. A fact. It can't be disputed because it is known. Constant production of CD4 cells over years and years trying to rid the body of HIV leads to a depletion in CD4 cells which becomes AIDS due to the exhaustion of the immune system.

It's **** like this that makes me have no time for conspiracy theorists. Half boiled arguments built on lies.

Di0genes

nullzero wrote: »

Am I missing the joke?

It's a simple question. Yes or No?

nullzero

Di0genes wrote: »

It's a simple question. Yes or No?

How is it relevant to this topic?
Could you not PM me about it?

Di0genes

nullzero wrote: »

How is it relevant to this topic?
Could you not PM me about it?

It's a simple question do you are do not enjoy the comedy in south park?

nullzero

jive wrote: »

I feel that people spouting known falsities are deserving of ridicule. If they have access to the information they should be able to find out what is factual and what is not. This forum and all conspiracy theorists I have come across is full of erroneous statements based on nothings from a few ill informed people searching for a story where there isn't one.

I don't believe in religion either, but I don't ridicule them. Religious people are brought up with religion and there is no changing them and there is no point in trying; each to their own. Conspiracy theorists, however, were not brought up to believe in conspiracies which for the most part are ridiculous and in this day and age people should know better.

This whole 9/11 was an inside job and all the rest of it are disrespectful to the families of the dead who have people on ground zero forcing dvds down their throats when they are mourning. 9/11 would have required a relatively large number of people to know about it to make it happen - people would willingly have had to have ended their lives to crash planes as well as taking the lives of others with them - how many immoral people are there? How can you trust that one of them wouldn't have squeeled? Not only that but all this took about the steel being able to handle this that and the other is ridiculous and has been disproven yet people still go on about Loose Change like it's gospel while preaching it to the families of the dead who don't deserve to be harassed in such a manner. At least religion serves a purpose to teach right and wrong - conspiracy theories achieve nothing and if anything do damage which is why I think that all bogus conspiracy theorists deserved to be ridiculed.

I don't know what I was infracted for above but I assume I've broken some more forum charter rules above somewhere because I was typing fairly fast. If there's something wrong with the post just edit that bit out I can't be arsed getting banned over this.


EDIT: here is a prime example from a poster above. "We all have viruses in our bodies. Ever get a cold sore? That's a virus lodged at the top of your spine. It's a relatively harmless virus but i wouldn't go injecting myself with it at the same time." - NO. This is false. A quick google would even show you this is false. You must be aware that you are actually lying? A cold sore is caused by human herpes virus 1 (or herpes simplex virus 1). It has 2 programs of gene expression - latent and lytic. Lytic = cold sore. Latent = becomes dormant and re-appears periodically giving you cold sores. "lodged in the top of your spine" LOL. It causes a lesion in the oro-facial region so what makes you think it's 'lodged in your spine'? :S

With regards to the post you made about HIV - it is a known fact that HIV progresses to AIDS. A fact. It can't be disputed because it is known. Constant production of CD4 cells over years and years trying to rid the body of HIV leads to a depletion in CD4 cells which becomes AIDS due to the exhaustion of the immune system.

It's **** like this that makes me have no time for conspiracy theorists. Half boiled arguments built on lies.

Talk about half boiled arguments.
You're assuming anyone who has ever taken any interest in CT's defends them to the hilt.
You also seem to believe that anyone who questions the truth of 9-11 is "forcing dvd's down the troaths" of family members of 9-11 victims.

You then go on to attempt to take some sort of moral high ground based upon the misconception outlined previously that anyone who questions 9-11 is in someway being inconsiderate towards the family members of 9-11 victims.

Lets get one thing straight, anyone who forces the family members of 9-11 victims to accpet their views on the 9-11 issue has got a major problem.
Upsetting people in that way is wrong on so many levels and would not be something I would ever defend.

The fact that you think somebody should be ridiculed because of their beliefs is saddening.
I drew a comparison between alternative beliefs and religion because although people are brought up with religion, when they reach adulthood and they're capable of rational thought, religion should be cast aside, however people on the whole tend to hold onto their religious beliefs because of conditioing and fear, something a rational person should not be restricted by.

If a person wants to believe in Fairies it's their decision.
Just because they should know better or you don't like it doesn't mean they should be open to ridicule.

If you're going to feign interest in peoples feelings, surely you can see how it is morally wrong to ridicule someone for what they believe?

I think you will also find that I made no post about HIV, if this comment was not intended for me I would suggest you clarify yourself.

I don't think you should be unsure of why you were infracted.
You came in and made a sweeping statement which directly insulted a lot of users of this forum, it's pretty simple wheh you break it down that way.

nullzero

Di0genes wrote: »

It's a simple question do you are do not enjoy the comedy in south park?

I'll answer you if you can tell me how relevant it is to this thread.

zuroph

nullzero wrote: »

I'll answer you if you can tell me how relevant it is to this thread.

ah come on, how can you not figure out how he is going to mkae it relevent to the thread.

nullzero

zuroph wrote: »

ah come on, how can you not figure out how he is going to mkae it relevent to the thread.

I'm at a loss to be honest.

zuroph

nullzero wrote: »

I'm at a loss to be honest.

do you watch south park?

nullzero

zuroph wrote: »

do you watch south park?

Again I have no idea what that's got to do with this topic?

Did I say something that's a running joke in the show?

Di0genes

nullzero wrote: »

I'll answer you if you can tell me how relevant it is to this thread.

It has everything to do with the thread title.

zuroph

I'll take that as a no then?

Im presuming he asked because it constantly mocks people for their beliefs, like a lot of comedy.

nullzero

Di0genes wrote: »

It has everything to do with the thread title.

I don't know what you're after.
I've watched South Park, but I don't go out of my way to see it so I must have msised the reference.