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Garda Recruitment - Applying to join An Garda Siochana
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See, Irish polititians believe in kneejerk reactions with no investigation or checks on actually how cost effective blanket recruitment bans can be.Its actually costing the HSE more money not to recruit new doctors or nurses because of overtime and the complete reliance on sometimes unreliable agencies.Similar with Dept. of Justice.The public are quickly losing trust in the Police and the prisons are old and/or severely overcrowded and shortstaffed.Because the Police are sooo understaffed around the country morale is taking a beating and sadly for the tax paying public the criminals are having a field-day.In the eighties they did exactly the same thing and it was a total cost failure too.The Government never,ever learns from their mistakes.To many teachers and not enough qualifications running the Government.
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Worth reading:
Maureen O'Sullivan (Dublin Central, Independent) Question 73: To ask the Minister for Justice and Equality when Garda recruitment will be resumed; the numbers of community gardaí in Dublin central in 2010 and currently in the following stations, Store Street, Mountjoy Street, Fitzgibbon Street, Bridewell and Cabra; the current numbers in the Garda Reserve Force; his plans for further recruitment of same; and the number of garda at all levels who have retired in 2009, 2010 and to date in 2011. [7106/11]
Alan Shatter (Minister, Department of Justice, Equality and Defence; Dublin South, Fine Gael) A decision on when Garda recruitment will re-commence will take into account the rate of retirement in the Garda Síochána and Government targets for reductions in public service numbers.
I am informed by the Garda authorities that on 31 December 2010 the number of dedicated Community Gardaí attached to Dublin’s North and South Central Garda Division’s was 159 and 96 respectively.
I am further informed that, as of the latest date for which figures are readily available, the number of Gardaí currently assigned to Community policing in the specific Garda stations referred to by the Deputy, was as set out as follows.
Store St.MountjoyFitzgibbon StreetBridewellCabra782321298The personnel strength of the Garda Reserve, on the latest date for which figures are readily available, was 773 with a further 104 in training. The number of retirements, both voluntary and compulsory, by rank in 2009 and 2010 and the number to-date in 2011 who have either retired or declared their intention to retire, is as set out as follows.
Rank200920102011Commissioner-1-Deputy Commissioner---Assistant Commissioner32-Chief Superintendent143-Superintendent26144Inspector2984Sergeant1779521Garda43723945TOTAL722362740 -
More awful news :mad::mad::mad:: New Govt same rubbish.
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Niall Collins (Limerick, Fianna Fail) Link to this Question 4: To ask the Minister for Justice and Equality the steps he is taking to ensure no reduction in garda numbers and his plans on garda recruitment in 2011 [7165/11]
Add your commentAlan Shatter (Minister, Department of Justice, Equality and Defence; Dublin South, Fine Gael) Link to this I do not want to upset the Deputy on our first Question Time.
Add your commentNiall Collins (Limerick, Fianna Fail) Link to this Not before we even start.
Add your commentAlan Shatter (Minister, Department of Justice, Equality and Defence; Dublin South, Fine Gael) Link to this I congratulate him and wish him well in his position as my opposite number.
Add your commentNiall Collins (Limerick, Fianna Fail) Link to this That is only this week.
Add your commentAlan Shatter (Minister, Department of Justice, Equality and Defence; Dublin South, Fine Gael) Link to this This is a rather odd question and is what would be termed, in the lexicon of the United States and a language with which my father is familiar - Yiddish - as one of the best examples of chutzpah I can find. It is difficult to take the Deputy’s question seriously as the previous Government, led by the Deputy’s party, in its National Recovery Plan 2011–2014 published late last year, required Garda strength to be reduced from its then level of around 14,500 to 13,000 by the end of 2014 as part of a general reduction in public service numbers. That was part and parcel of the EU and IMF framework plan which the previous Government signed up to. Moreover, the plan prescribed a reduction from 14,500 to 13,500 by 31 December 2011 without the plan, or any subsequent initiative, by the outgoing Government detailing proposed steps to effect such a reduction. Effectively, it envisaged a reduction of the Garda force by 1,000 in the space of 12 months without explaining how that would be achieved. There was no initiative taken by the outgoing Government to facilitate this achievement.
This Government has its own overall target for a reduction in public service numbers, as set out in the programme for national recovery, and I will be discussing with the Minister for Public Expenditure and Reform and my other Cabinet colleagues the details of how this will be applied across the various parts of the public service. The outcome of this discussion and the rate of Garda retirements, which has fluctuated significantly in recent years, will determine when Garda recruitment will recommence. It will also determine the manner in which the objectives set by the Deputy’s party, when in Government, of reducing the numbers of gardaí by 1,000 may be achieved.
There is no getting away from the reality that public expenditure and public service numbers must be reduced but I am determined, as are all my Cabinet colleagues, that this will be accompanied by real and substantive reform that will make the delivery of public services more efficient and cost effective. Our programme for national recovery recognises that a key objective of this reform is the protection of front-line services, and I regard that as a priority for Garda reform. I am very anxious to ensure that if numbers are reduced, the current services are maintained.
Add your commentNiall Collins (Limerick, Fianna Fail) Link to this I thank the Minister for his reply and opening comments. I am shadowing the Minister for this week at least but next week may bring something else for me. We must wait and see. I recognise what was contained in the four year programme published prior to the election. The Government parties gave a commitment in the programme for Government to retain a strong and efficient police force and at the same time there has been an indication that it is intended to reduce public service numbers by 25,000. Is the Government committed to reducing the Garda force by 1,000 over the course of the Government’s term as outlined in the programme for Government?
With regard to Garda recruitment and training and balancing the reduction in numbers and retirements, when will the next intake of trainees be taken into Templemore? People have applied to join the force and been vetted but they have been put into a holding cell, so to speak. They are ready to be brought to Templemore to train. When will the next batch be brought in and will the Minister confirm his intention to reduce the number in the force by 1,000?
Add your commentAlan Shatter (Minister, Department of Justice, Equality and Defence; Dublin South, Fine Gael) Link to this The Deputy correctly states that the programme for Government commits to a strong and efficient police force and it is our commitment to maintain such a force. With regard to numbers we are considering the implications of the EU and IMF agreement and I have an obligation in my Department to meet the financial estimates and not to over-reach in that regard. The Garda Commissioner must also meet his financial targets. I cannot say at this stage exactly what the position will be with Garda numbers at the end of this year. As it stands, there is an obligation to effect the reduction which the Deputy’s party committed this State to in the agreement with the EU and IMF.
With regard to recruitment issues, in February last year the former Minister, Dermot Ahern, advertised for Garda recruits and by June there were 400 on a potential panel to go to Templemore. Without making an announcement, the former Minister put all 400 into cold storage. Where there is a commitment to reduce Garda numbers and the finances of the State are constrained, I cannot at this stage indicate when new recruitment might take place other than to indicate that I am anxious that there would be an influx of new young people into the Garda force over a period. I do not see any likelihood of new recruitment during 2011. Beyond that all I can say is the matter is under review.0 -
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"Bear in mind there is a moratorium in place which means you may not get a chance to apply for a few years yet " ,
Blue Belle ' , i know theres no concrete evidence much at all but have you any idea at all how long it will be before recruitment takes place again ? Could it be as far away as 4 years or more and will the force have to be reduced significantly in the next couple of years ? At present it looks very bleak with no sign of any movement and it appears huge cutbacks will be the way of things for a number of years. .
I've no idea I'm afraid. Nobody does. It is probably going to depend on rate of retirements and natural wastage, as the Government want to get the number of Gardai down to 13,000. When the number falls down to that they will probably try to maintain numbers at that level by drafting in some of those on the panel and then starting a new campaign to form a new panel from which to recruit in subsequent intakes.
On the bright side, retiring seems to be very popular among Gardai who are eligible at the moment, due to the possibility of their pensions being hit and their lump sum being taxed. So it may be sooner than later. But then again this is all speculation.
If you want some solid fact, there has been no recruitment (ie intake to Templemore) of new recruits for 2 years now. Since May '09. There has been no new recruitment drive (acceptance of applications) for 3 years now. Since May '08. Could they leave it another 4 years? I don't know. I highly doubt it. But then again I never thought they'd leave it this long.
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zerocoolio wrote: »As someone who is bursting to get into AGS but is going up the walls with all the waiting due to the recruitment embargo, I have a great deal of sympathy with alot of posters in this forum.
This is without a doubt the best place to get information on AGS recruitment so for anyone who is interested in joining forget www.garda.ie and www.publicjobs.ie - this is the only place you need to go. The volume of information here is amazing so read through the forum and you will find whatever it is youre looking for.
The big problem is the embargo. Numbers will be reduced to 2006 levels - this is about 13,000. This will be acheived through natural wastage and no recruitment. I dont want to rain on anyones parade but this means that there will be NO recruitment for at least another 18 months if not longer.
Also, knowing what I know about how the public sector works, those on panels may have to re-apply as panels do expire, usually after 5 years. The last drive was in 2008.If recruitment happens late 2012 or early 2013 you might just get in but I would prepare for the worst case.
For those considering hanging about waiting for recruitment to begin can I offer one piece of advice - dont wait about. If you can, get to university or travel or do something. Any experience you can get will help you when it comes to AGS applications, interviews and in the job. I moved to London in 2009 and am having the time of my life.
Like I said, I know how frustrating it can be - my time is a bit shorter as Im in my 30's and I will have to make a decision very soon as to whether I should shelf this idea/dream altogether. But the embargo cannot last forever. Numbers will have to come up because the simple fact is that its never been a better time to be involved in criminality in Ireland. The force is stretched to breaking point and will not be able to function without recruitment at some point. So stay out of trouble and in good shape and the day will come (hopefully sooner as opposed to later) when AGS are looking for new recruits.
Finally big thanks to Blue Belle and PSNI for this thread. Like I mentioned this is the only place you need to go to learn about AGS recruitment.
OK rant is over.
Welcome aboard zerocoolio, your positivity is very welcome here. Psni is the man to thank for this place however, I'm just a blow-in
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Can someone please advise me on this topic.
I am going to try to meet all of the recommendations before recruitment starts again i.e. safe pass, manual handling, swimming etc. However, I am not sure what kind of swimming qualification AGS is looking for. I can swim but I have no qualifications. What are the various qualifications available out there and are these relavent to what AGS recommends you have? 0 -
Can someone please advise me on this topic.
I am going to try to meet all of the recommendations before recruitment starts again i.e. safe pass, manual handling, swimming etc. However, I am not sure what kind of swimming qualification AGS is looking for. I can swim but I have no qualifications. What are the various qualifications available out there and are these relavent to what AGS recommends you have?
i wonder would your PADI open water level 1 scuba diving cert be sufficient?
surely if you can scuba dive, it proves you can swim!0 -
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