Garda Recruitment - Applying to join An Garda Siochana

WilcoOut

USERNAME24 wrote: »

I wouldn't be surprised if there is further cuts in the future to pay and allowances.:mad:

thats highly anticipated and widely accepted as a sure thing!

senordingdong

Does that salary figure incorporate over time and Sunday allowances etc?

USERNAME24

Has anyone any thoughts on when next recruitment campaign will be?
Given that they have to reduce force by 1500 and there's a established panel of 400 are we looking at a wait of another couple of years.After reducing force by 1500 its unlikely that they will recruit say 400 from a new campaign along with existing 400 totalling 800people.
I cant see AGS reducing force by 1500 and at the same time increasing it by 800 in the next couple of years,hope I am wrong!!

C-J

USERNAME24 wrote: »

Has anyone any thoughts on when next recruitment campaign will be?
Given that they have to reduce force by 1500 and there's a established panel of 400 are we looking at a wait of another couple of years.After reducing force by 1500 its unlikely that they will recruit say 400 from a new campaign along with existing 400 totalling 800 people.I cant see AGS reducing force by 1500 and at the same time increasing it by 800 in the next couple of years,hope I am wrong!!

bear in mind that those retiring are on a much higher wage than student gardai and newly qualified gardai. Even by factoring in their lump sum retirement gratuity and pension, there is still a significant saving to be made by a reduction of 1500. Factor in the fact that the cost of running Templemore at the moment is minimal, as regards no catering staff, civilian staff, other staff being transferred elsewhere, even stuff like less electricity being used, no uniforms, etc are saving money. All of which is good news for us

iarmhii

Hi All

Just wondering what people make of the recent comments by the Justice Minister Alan Shatter regarding the recruitment situation . I suppose i doesn't tell people a whole more than they already knew , that recuitment will not take place for some time. It appears that there will not be graduates for 3 years approx but when pressed today the Minister said that he hoped recruitment would commence in 18 months time. I know this is stil a long time away but would be better than having to wait 2-3 years more to apply. What is the feeling on this , can the Minister be trusted at all , is 18 months wishful thinking ? It is a while away but wouldn't be a complete disaster to have to wait until then, but big danger is that this time frame could be changed in near future depending on circumstances. (IMF/ Economic situation)

spudz21

iarmhii wrote: »

Hi All

Just wondering what people make of the recent comments by the Justice Minister Alan Shatter regarding the recruitment situation . I suppose i doesn't tell people a whole more than they already knew , that recuitment will not take place for some time. It appears that there will not be graduates for 3 years approx but when pressed today the Minister said that he hoped recruitment would commence in 18 months time. I know this is stil a long time away but would be better than having to wait 2-3 years more to apply. What is the feeling on this , can the Minister be trusted at all , is 18 months wishful thinking ? It is a while away but wouldn't be a complete disaster to have to wait until then, but big danger is that this time frame could be changed in near future depending on circumstances. (IMF/ Economic situation)

The way I see it, there is no point speculating, whenever it happens,it happens!

These forums are great for information and support, but I don't pay much heed to the rumours or speculating! It won't be until I've booked a place for the aptitude that I'll believe that recruitment has begun again:)

In the meantime, its more waiting and waiting, I'm fortunate that I'm still young enough and have a decent job to keep me going in the interim! The virtue of patience:o

20 Times 20 Times

Well I have done a HONS DEGREE and am going to start a MASTERS , this all while I have been waiting around for the next drive. If people are waiting around in jobs and not up skilling be prepared i reckon :-)

caseyann

At least they are saying now only eighteen months for new recruits.


Even though i think the TDS should have their pay cut to fund the Garda and emergency services.

Goonerdee

I see on the GS facebook site that 126 people graduated from Templemore yesterday. Wonder how long before the next graduates appear?

Delancey

Bearing in mind the 2 year training programme I would be surprised if there was a Graduation anytime in the next 4 years.

leddpipe

gone fierce quite........hello?!?!

eigrod

http://www.taoiseach.irlgov.ie/eng/Government_Press_Office/Government_Press_Releases_20111/Statement_by_the_Government_and_the_Public_Service_Committee_of_the_Irish_Congress_of_Trade_Unions.html

Statement by the Government and the Public Service Committee of the Irish Congress of Trade Unions
Wednesday, 20th July 2011

In light of progress made in the first year of implementation of the Public Service Agreement 2010 - 2014, the Government can reaffirm its commitments under the Agreement that there will be no further reductions in pay rates for serving public servants and on the non-application of compulsory redundancy (save where existing exit provisions apply).

These commitments are conditional on the ongoing delivery of the flexibilities set out under the Agreement, in particular those relating to cooperation with reduction in numbers, redeployment, cost containment and changes to work practices to improve productivity and maintain public services. The parties also note the need to create a climate to support the recovery in the wider economy, including through the proposals in the Government's Jobs Initiative, and reaffirm their commitment to working together to deliver sustainable economic growth.

The parties note that the EU-IMF Programme of Financial Support for Ireland and the new Programme for Government 2011 contains additional and challenging targets in relation to public service paybill and numbers reductions. Following the outcome of the Comprehensive Review of Expenditure the parties will consult on delivery of any matters that are appropriate to be dealt with under the Agreement.

In light of the severe budgetary position, the Government is not in a position to address the effect on pay rates of the Financial Emergency Measures in the Public Interest Acts of 2009 and reducing the effect of the pension levy at this time.

The moratorium on recruitment and promotion must continue to apply and large scale recruitment to the public service will not feature. It is envisaged that after a period of operation the moratorium would be adapted to a procedure of setting overall targets and pay averages by public service organisation/sector, while ensuring the redeployment of surplus public servants as a priority. Following the outcome of the Comprehensive Review of Expenditure further consideration will be given to the optimum means of achieving numbers targets in each sector with the precise modalities for such a procedure developed in the context of each sector.

In line with the commitment given in the Agreement, adjudication findings that were outstanding at the time of the Agreement will be reviewed by the parties, having regard to the terms of the Agreement, the moratorium on recruitment and promotion and the terms of the Financial Emergency Measures in the Public Interest (No. 2) Act 2009.

The parties will continue to work together to maintain a stable industrial relations climate and to resolve disputes as early as possible and in line with the time bound commitments given in the Agreement.

Ends

Government Press Office
press.office@taoiseach.gov.ie
Ph: 01 6194098

Dan1994

The AGS age limit is 35 at present and if recruitment starts in hopefully 3-4 years is even worth applying if you are say 34-35 any opionions apprehiated:eek:

Geri Boyle

Dan1994 wrote: »

The AGS age limit is 35 at present and if recruitment starts in hopefully 3-4 years is even worth applying if you are say 34-35 any opionions apprehiated:eek:

Hi Dan,
Please read through This Thread as it answers your question along with several others you may have.

In short, many people join AGS at that end of the age scale. Particularly with the Recruitment ban in place at the moment, many hopefuls have been placed on a panel or are simply sitting waiting to apply as the time ticks on, so there will be many people who are 2, 3, 4 years older going into Templemore than perhaps they would have liked to be.
If you are within the age limit, then you are not too old to apply, simple as that.
Best of luck with it.

Dan1994

thanks for your reply.

Chusko

I know a new recruitment campaign is probably a number of years from now but when it does start up again,will there be a recruitment campaign once/twice a year,once every two years?Obviously no-one here knows but it would be nice to get peoples ideas.
During the 'boom' years it was recruiting extra gardai now Im guessing it will be replacing retirements.300 retirements a year used to be the norm...it may depend on what retirements will be...with a young force after next year may not be many.
Having said that if our economy improves might recruit more.
I looked into PSNI recruitment some say they only plan to recruit few hundred next ten years but surely more here with a bigger population????

Geri Boyle

Chusko wrote: »

I know a new recruitment campaign is probably a number of years from now but when it does start up again,will there be a recruitment campaign once/twice a year,once every two years?Obviously no-one here knows but it would be nice to get peoples ideas.
During the 'boom' years it was recruiting extra gardai now Im guessing it will be replacing retirements.300 retirements a year used to be the norm...it may depend on what retirements will be...with a young force after next year may not be many.
Having said that if our economy improves might recruit more.
I looked into PSNI recruitment some say they only plan to recruit few hundred next ten years but surely more here with a bigger population????

Hi Chusko, welcome to the forum.
First off, you seem to have answered your question yourself by pondering out loud..
You're right in that nobody actually knows what they're going to do once recruitment starts again.
Accelerated recruitment is a thing of the past however, I think we can all agree on that so gone are the days of 4 large intakes a year.
My guess is they will reach a number that they are happy with, somewhere around the 12,000 mark and sustain that. ie recruit to replace retirements etc.

Chusko

Thanks for the reply and welcome Blue Belle,you are spot on,I was thinking out loud!Unfortunately,as you say accelerated recruitment isn't going to occur anytime soon.I hope though they will maintain numbers around the 13,000 mark because it will be a long time before they reach 12,000,thanks again

FutureGarda

I have wanted to be apart of the Gardai since I was very young. My uncle is one and I look up to him and I really want to do what he does. I am 15, in 3rd year and I have decent grades. I am a 2 time all-ireland champion at a sport and I am very atlethic. I was wondering, when I finish the leaving cert, should I join? I really want too. Will they be recruiting around that time? Should I go to college and get a degree first? Please answers my questions! I would love a response

King Ludvig

Hey FutureGarda, the general advice you'll find on here is to go to college and study something your interested in first (doesnt have to be garda/law related). You dont want to sign your life into AGS and then feel you missed out on the college experience. That been said, in the past, many have went straight from school into the Gardai and that suited them. To be honest though, Id say having a few extra years of life experience on your shoulders will stand to you in an application to join, be that from college, work or travelling etc.

Welcome to the forum, by the way.

mark420

FutureGarda wrote: »

I have wanted to be apart of the Gardai since I was very young. My uncle is one and I look up to him and I really want to do what he does. I am 15, in 3rd year and I have decent grades. I am a 2 time all-ireland champion at a sport and I am very atlethic. I was wondering, when I finish the leaving cert, should I join? I really want too. Will they be recruiting around that time? Should I go to college and get a degree first? Please answers my questions! I would love a response

As a member of An Garda Síochána I would strongly recommend that you take the 3rd level option, you can join when you finish, having the third level gives you a bit more experience before you join and it also lets you jump up a few pay increments after a short while in the job.

Chusko

I read somewhere,must try and find link,that Alan Shatter has to find savings of 340 million from Department of Justice between now and end of four year plan so I presume he knows at this stage what he can allocate for recruitment between now and 2015...

eroo

mark420 wrote: »

As a member of An Garda Síochána I would strongly recommend that you take the 3rd level option, you can join when you finish, having the third level gives you a bit more experience before you join and it also lets you jump up a few pay increments after a short while in the job.

If I'm not mistaken those increments are now gone?

eroo

FutureGarda wrote: »

I have wanted to be apart of the Gardai since I was very young. My uncle is one and I look up to him and I really want to do what he does. I am 15, in 3rd year and I have decent grades. I am a 2 time all-ireland champion at a sport and I am very atlethic. I was wondering, when I finish the leaving cert, should I join? I really want too. Will they be recruiting around that time? Should I go to college and get a degree first? Please answers my questions! I would love a response

My simple advice would be... do what YOU want to do!

Don't do a college course if you don't have any interest in it. I didn't go on to third level, instead I pursued a part time degree course a year and a bit after I left school.

Unfortunately, everyone sees going to third level as the be all and end all. It isn't! But if you find a course you would like to do.. go for it! Personally I would see work experience as vital and much more important than third level. Why? The Gardai don't want people who spent 3-4 years just drinking in college.. they want people who have experience working in a team, solving problems, working shifts and making decisions. It is possible to go to college and work too, a great way to get the best of both worlds.

At 15 you have plenty of time on your side. I was in your shoes not so long ago.. posting here for info! In the next 3 years you could become proficient in first aid, CPR + Defibrillator as well getting ECDL and a lifeguarding under your belt. These things would be great for when you apply! I'm a Reserve Garda myself and I would highly recommend applying for this role when you turn 18 as it gives invaluable experience!

But the most important thing for you is to do what you want to do.. not what you think you should do!

mark420

eroo wrote: »

If I'm not mistaken those increments are now gone?

My mate just got his increments a few months back, it could have changed alright, its all about saving the pennies now

eroo

mark420 wrote: »

My mate just got his increments a few months back, it could have changed alright, its all about saving the pennies now

AFAIK for new recruits the increments are gone. Penny pinching is right!

FutureGarda

so their is no extra increments for guards who go to college?

eroo

Not anymore unfortunately.

Ruairi88

eroo wrote: »

Not anymore unfortunately.

Hi Eroo,

I was on to Garda Hq today over my Reserve Application. While I was on the phone I requested information in relation to the Increments (Salary Pay Scale) and if they were still in place for people who have completed a third level degree and hoping to join AGS.

The lady in the office CONFIRMED that there is still increments for such as mentioned above, However, she said this was subject to change.

Finally, and not having a go, but, you said and I quote "The Gardai don't want people who spent 3-4 years just drinking" that's prejudicial a lot of people who attend/attended college work their asses off and the prospect of drinking does not appeal to them. It didn't appeal to me anyway.What about the Social Care students who are out on placement from Jan-May? Working with Disabled people, working with children with intellectual disabilities/problems etc...I would encourage people to seek third level education I see it day in day out CV's coming into the office "Anyone without a third level education send it to the shredder. I think it is vital (if) you are ambitious and plan to excel. The ECDL, First Aid and been an efficient swimmer can all be learned on a "Part-time" basis.

Geansai

Just to clarify the National Recovery Plan stated

"Additional pay savings will be achieved through an immediate 10% reduction in the pay of all new entrants to the public service leading to a further sustainable reduction in public service pay costs over the medium term. In addition, all new entrants will start on the minimum point of the scale. "

Now, it could be argued that the minmum point in the scale is when you join Templemore so. Given you don't get the extra increment untila fter your pass out, then this may or may not be relevant.

One last thing to note is that any changes to pay and conditions, including increments and pensions, would only become effective when intakes are being taken into Templemore. Therefore saying "there is still increments for such as mentioned above" really doesn't confirm or deny whether they will be there when the next intake happens.

I suppose to sum it all up, It really will just be a case of waiting and seeing what happens. It could go either way.