ICC considering 12 teams for next World Cup

d'Oracle · 05-04-2011 10:42pm

thebaz wrote: »

such a conservative short sited decision - its like in rugby , if the 6 N kicked out Italy - yet one of the best games from recent 6N was Italy v France - shame on the cricket board - certainly helps to lose many recent converts to the game , including myself

No.
It would be like if Rugby kicked fiji, tonga, samoa, japan argentina and all the rest of the tier 2 nations out and told them they could only play the 7s world cup.

WHich fiji or samoa would have a good shout at winning.
So its not like that at all.

Cremated · 05-04-2011 11:31pm

Just something from our friend Mr.Lorgat,

Lorgat also said the ICC was pleased with the implementation of the Umpire Decision Referral System (UDRS) at the World Cup.

"DRS was successful. It has improved umpiring standards by more than five percent," Lorgat said. "There has been no blatant errors or no complaints from teams over decision that could have affected the outcome of the match." ...

thebaz · 05-04-2011 11:56pm

d'Oracle wrote: »

No.
It would be like if Rugby kicked fiji, tonga, samoa, japan argentina and all the rest of the tier 2 nations out and told them they could only play the 7s world cup.

WHich fiji or samoa would have a good shout at winning.
So its not like that at all.

wow - i was only giving an example ffs

DonRosco · 06-04-2011 12:52am

Cremated wrote: »

Just something from our friend Mr.Lorgat,

Lorgat also said the ICC was pleased with the implementation of the Umpire Decision Referral System (UDRS) at the World Cup.

"DRS was successful. It has improved umpiring standards by more than five percent," Lorgat said. "There has been no blatant errors or no complaints from teams over decision that could have affected the outcome of the match." ...

Clowns!

Harps · 06-04-2011 2:05am

In terms of a monetary decision (which lets be fair is how most if not all organisations really operate) it makes perfect sense to reduce it to 10 teams, expanding the game is pointless when you've got such a massive potential fanbase in the sub-continent. Its hardly a surprising decision and aside from the minority of people in this country who care nobody will really take a notice. Sad but true

I'm not agreeing with the above, just putting forward the obvious and logical thinking

riffmongous · 06-04-2011 2:38am

Harps wrote: »

In terms of a monetary decision (which lets be fair is how most if not all organisations really operate) it makes perfect sense to reduce it to 10 teams, expanding the game is pointless when you've got such a massive potential fanbase in the sub-continent. Its hardly a surprising decision and aside from the minority of people in this country who care nobody will really take a notice. Sad but true

I'm not agreeing with the above, just putting forward the obvious and logical thinking

I know what you're saying but there is a few problems with that thinking. 10 teams alright fair enough, but which 10 teams? Surely the best 10 teams? Not according to the ICC.

And while yes it is mainly about the money for most governing bodies, taking soccer for example, FIFA proved it with their decision to hold the WC in Qatar, yet FIFA haven't compromised the integrity of the tournament by saying who can and can't qualify.

And if its just about money then why insist on keeping Zimbabwe involved? Surely at this stage Ireland must be as much of a draw on subcontinent tours as Zim? At the very least we have the potential to be bigger. Also how much tv revenue do tours of Zim generate? Keeping Zimbabwe a part of the inner circle is purely a political move

riffmongous · 06-04-2011 3:10am

Has a single active-player actually come out and said anything yet?

Harps · 06-04-2011 4:04am

I'd imagine as theyre under contract theyre instructed not to say anything controversial, cant blame anyone in that sense

As for your other post, I'd largely agree with it, the Zimbabwe decision is probably a legal one in that excluding a test nation to our expense would lead to all sort of legal ramblings and it was probably easier to let them in instead of a top 10 ranking system.

Dont ask me about the details because I have no idea but in short I'd imagine it was easier to keep the present structure instead of breaking it up based on current form of associate nations.

Theyve obviously got a logical reasoning to their decision as much as we'd like to dispute it which is what I'm trying to get my head around

myflipflops · 06-04-2011 4:58am

riffmongous wrote: »

Has a single active-player actually come out and said anything yet?

And risk their IPL contracts????

Eoin Morgan is a disgrace for not coming out against it. I fully support the man playing for England and am proud of how successful he is but he needs to remember where he came from. He has tweeted since the announcement but has not said a word against it. Why? Because he is an IPL player. Another slave to the BCCI (Board of Complete C*nts from India) dollar.

EDIT

I may be harsh on Morgan here. Seems the ECB is looking to gag players according to the Indo:

http://www.independent.ie/sport/other-sports/england-try-to-gag-irish-fury-over-exclusion-2611231.html

booth70 · 06-04-2011 6:24am

The best thing Ireland can do now to strengthen its case for inclusion in 2015 is to hammer the Pakistanis (not impossible) in May and catch England out (I'd have Ireland down as favourites for that one) again in July:).....

If that dosen't send a rocket up the a**es of the ICC (Oops sorry..I meant the BCCI) I don't know what will:mad::mad::mad:

thebaz · 06-04-2011 10:58am

myflipflops wrote: »

And risk their IPL contracts????

Eoin Morgan is a disgrace for not coming out against it. I

agree , has he zero pride in being Irish - or perhaps he sees himself being 100 % English now - shame on him

Mr November · 06-04-2011 11:35am

A foolish and convetous descision by the ICC which will utterly destroy the development of and interest in cricket as a 'world game'...

DonRosco · 06-04-2011 12:11pm

thebaz wrote: »

agree , has he zero pride in being Irish - or perhaps he sees himself being 100 % English now - shame on him

You should check the previous posters edit. Players are being told to keep quiet about it:

http://www.independent.ie/sport/other-sports/england-try-to-gag-irish-fury-over-exclusion-2611231.html

ClareVisitor · 06-04-2011 1:20pm

Harps wrote: »

In terms of a monetary decision (which lets be fair is how most if not all organisations really operate) it makes perfect sense to reduce it to 10 teams, expanding the game is pointless when you've got such a massive potential fanbase in the sub-continent. Its hardly a surprising decision and aside from the minority of people in this country who care nobody will really take a notice. Sad but true

I'm not agreeing with the above, just putting forward the obvious and logical thinking

I repectfully disagree. Throwing away the good work done by the associate nations in this way is the worst kind of short-termism. Reagrdless of the size of the fanbase on the sub-continent why would the administrators not want to grow the cricket fanbase worldwide? Doing that won't affect how many people watch cricket in India, Sri Lanka, Pakistan and Bangladesh. If anything they should be looking to do things like giving Ireland and Holland "home" matches when the tournament is next played in England in 2019, one each in Dublin and Amsterdam would fit the bill.

Pauleta · 06-04-2011 5:27pm

ClareVisitor wrote: »

I repectfully disagree. Throwing away the good work done by the associate nations in this way is the worst kind of short-termism. Reagrdless of the size of the fanbase on the sub-continent why would the administrators not want to grow the cricket fanbase worldwide? Doing that won't affect how many people watch cricket in India, Sri Lanka, Pakistan and Bangladesh. If anything they should be looking to do things like giving Ireland and Holland "home" matches when the tournament is next played in England in 2019, one each in Dublin and Amsterdam would fit the bill.

I seem to remember in the 1999 WC they had a West Indies game here during it. I wanted to go on the hop from school. It was the year i fell in love with cricket :cool:

riffmongous · 06-04-2011 5:39pm

myflipflops wrote: »

And risk their IPL contracts????

Eoin Morgan is a disgrace for not coming out against it. I fully support the man playing for England and am proud of how successful he is but he needs to remember where he came from. He has tweeted since the announcement but has not said a word against it. Why? Because he is an IPL player. Another slave to the BCCI (Board of Complete C*nts from India) dollar.

EDIT

I may be harsh on Morgan here. Seems the ECB is looking to gag players according to the Indo:

http://www.independent.ie/sport/other-sports/england-try-to-gag-irish-fury-over-exclusion-2611231.html

Wow, not only have they effectively destroyed any chance the players had of being professional athletes for their country, the ECB are now threatening their county livelihood, very classy.

The silence from non associate player is pretty deafening to me, to think there isn't even one who cares more about the game than money is pretty disheartening, but not very surprising I guess.

d'Oracle · 06-04-2011 5:47pm

thebaz wrote: »

wow - i was only giving an example ffs

And I was illustrating what a poor example it was....eh....ffs.

Also, who in gods name are you to judge Morgans actions or who is anybody else for that matter?
No active England player has come out and said anything.
You don't know the full story, so you should not be criticising people.

d'Oracle · 06-04-2011 6:04pm

riffmongous wrote: »

The silence from non associate player is pretty deafening to me, to think there isn't even one who cares more about the game than money is pretty disheartening, but not very surprising I guess.

Sorry, but this is bullshít.

"Hey you, remember all that hard work you put in trying to get good enough to earn a living playing a game you love? We would like you to jeopardise that opportunity to play said game because some country you don't play for have been given a raw deal."

The whole decision is ****house. But the ICC don't want to be criticised from within. They have shown what greasy corrupt little shít heads they are in the past with regard to players who don't pull the line (ICL anyone?) you can't expect players to mouth off and risk their livelyhood just cos you feel hard done by. Even if you are.

Also, I really feel that we are giving BCCI and PCB an disproportionally hard time here given that NOBODY seems to be shouting about Blighty in all this. ECB are up to their neck in this. Everyone in the Test game wants England tours. Cos they bring more touring fans than anybody else.
Which gives ECB serious clout.

riffmongous · 06-04-2011 6:13pm

d'Oracle wrote: »

Sorry, but this is bullshít.

"Hey you, remember all that hard work you put in trying to get good enough to earn a living playing a game you love? We would like you to jeopardise that opportunity to play said game because some country you don't play for have been given a raw deal."

The whole decision is ****house. But the ICC don't want to be criticised from within. They have shown what greasy corrupt little shít heads they are in the past with regard to players who don't pull the line (ICL anyone?) you can't expect players to mouth off and risk their livelyhood just cos you feel hard done by. Even if you are.

Bs? So do you reckon if Sachin spoke out against it he would be banned from ever playing again? There are players who are big enough to speak out and get away with it if they cared about the game

thebaz · 06-04-2011 6:24pm

d'Oracle wrote: »

And I was illustrating what a poor example it was....eh....ffs.

Also, who in gods name are you to judge Morgans actions or who is anybody else for that matter?
No active England player has come out and said anything.
You don't know the full story, so you should not be criticising people.

sorry Mr arrogant, I didnt realise Morgan was English ,

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Condatis · 06-04-2011 6:25pm

The way to deal with this is to find a new Kerry Packer figure.

The threat of a rival international cricket organisation might bring them to their senses.

There are enough countries playing cricket to make it an option.

d'Oracle · 06-04-2011 6:28pm

riffmongous wrote: »

Bs? So do you reckon if Sachin spoke out against it he would be banned from ever playing again? There are players who are big enough to speak out and get away with it if they cared about the game

Can you back that up?
I reckon the BCCI would have something to say about it, yes.
Is the intimation that Sachin doesn't care about cricket?
If it is then that is more BS.

d'Oracle · 06-04-2011 6:33pm

thebaz wrote: »

sorry Mr arrogant, I didnt realise Morgan was English ,

t

There is nothing arrogant about disagreeing with you.

And nobody said he was English.
Stating that morgan is not speaking out because he has no pride in being Irish is however extremely arrogant.

d'Oracle · 06-04-2011 6:36pm

Condatis wrote: »

The way to deal with this is to find a new Kerry Packer figure.

The threat of a rival international cricket organisation might bring them to their senses.

There are enough countries playing cricket to make it an option.

I think the test nation players want to play ICC cricket against top nations.
I can't see that working these days.

thebaz · 06-04-2011 6:39pm

d'Oracle wrote: »

There is nothing arrogant about disagreeing with you.

And nobody said he was English.
Stating that morgan is not speaking out because he has no pride in being Irish is however extremely arrogant.

your put down to my comments have been extremly arrogant in my mind - no wonder cricket has such a pompous reputation ,

riffmongous · 06-04-2011 7:14pm

d'Oracle wrote: »

Can you back that up?
I reckon the BCCI would have something to say about it, yes.
Is the intimation that Sachin doesn't care about cricket?
If it is then that is more BS.

Do you honestly think Sachin couldn't get away with it? Honestly?
Indian fans are some of the most passionate in the world, I'd say any attempt to censure a local hero like Sachin for speaking up would lead to a huge public outcry. The BCCI couldn't dare touch their 'god' after winning a world cup.

And yeah I reckon he cares about cricket alright, but in a pretty selfish way. But that seems the be the way things are in cricket nowadays

d'Oracle · 06-04-2011 7:59pm

thebaz wrote: »

your put down to my comments have been extremly arrogant in my mind - no wonder cricket has such a pompous reputation ,

No they haven't.
Your Rugby comment was pointless and irrelevant. They are not similar situations.
There is no comparison between cricket and rugby at an organisational level.
I pointed that out and then you went off on one with your ffs and such.

Your Comment on Morgan was ignorant and I treated it as such. You failed to inform yourself at all and then made a hugely harsh judgement of a player. It was an arrogant and not deserving of respect. The you launched a personal attack on me because I didn't just agree with you.

This comment, where you have just criticised the entirety of cricket based on how you perceive cricket as well as how you perceive me.

d'Oracle · 06-04-2011 8:08pm

riffmongous wrote: »

Do you honestly think Sachin couldn't get away with it? Honestly?
Indian fans are some of the most passionate in the world, I'd say any attempt to censure a local hero like Sachin for speaking up would lead to a huge public outcry. The BCCI couldn't dare touch their 'god' after winning a world cup.

And yeah I reckon he cares about cricket alright, but in a pretty selfish way. But that seems the be the way things are in cricket nowadays

I reckon he could yeah.
And I would welcome it.
But I think if you expect him to be some messiah for Ireland right now, you are being naive.
Its not his place and he has never been one to speak out or court controversy.
And to imply he is selfish to not come screaming out about it is absurd.
I'd also point out that he is basically exceptional in this regard.

We are small fry. Its unfair but its not Sachin Tendulkars job to ensure development of the game.

Also I would point out that you mentioned no test nation player coming out and saying it. Most test nation players still want to play cricket and are earning a living from playing cricket. That point still stands.

Noo · 06-04-2011 8:25pm

What is the FA Cup without the lower league teams? The League Cup...and look at the reputation that has, it lacks the excitement of the minnow.

So heres the plan...Get the Associates to hold their own world cup. 32 teams, 8 groups of 4 format. Promote it in the qualifying countries like theres no tomorrow and get it on the national tv stations...imagine the ratings (if properly promoted) with the likes of china, usa, brazil cricket teams battling it out in a major tournament. The associates have nothing to lose and everything to gain so you can guarantee the games would be more exciting than the other 10 countries'. Imagine turning on a tv and saying "wow i didnt know antarctica had a team...and theyre playing easter island...thats so cool". You of course invite ALL countries to participate in qualification as a gesture of good will, of course 10 will decline. You then hold it just before the ICC World Cup 2015...so by the time theirs starts everyone will be in love with the minnows and flick off the tv at the boredom of seeing england play australia AGAIN.

This of course will never happen, its just a little daydream i've created

And Ireland winning it too

riffmongous · 06-04-2011 8:32pm

d'Oracle wrote: »

I reckon he could yeah.
And I would welcome it.
But I think if you expect him to be some messiah for Ireland right now, you are being naive.
Its not his place and he has never been one to speak out or court controversy.
And to imply he is selfish to not come screaming out about it is absurd.
I'd also point out that he is basically exceptional in this regard.

We are small fry. Its unfair but its not Sachin Tendulkars job to ensure development of the game.

Also I would point out that you mentioned no test nation player coming out and saying it. Most test nation players still want to play cricket and are earning a living from playing cricket. That point still stands.

I didn't mean that I was expecting Sachin to save Irish cricket, he is just the best example of a player who has a status within the game that the ICC couldn't just threaten them like the ECB are doing to the Irish county players.

d'Oracle · 06-04-2011 8:32pm

I'd imagine Easter Island and Antartica are probably Affiliates.

thebaz · 06-04-2011 8:56pm

d'Oracle wrote: »

No they haven't.
Your Rugby comment was pointless and irrelevant. They are not similar situations.
There is no comparison between cricket and rugby at an organisational level.
.

perhaps i think your posts are irrelevant, but i dont dismiss them with such arrogance

you have got rid of one cricket boardy - due to your arrogance

goodbye sir

d'Oracle · 06-04-2011 9:42pm

riffmongous wrote: »

I didn't mean that I was expecting Sachin to save Irish cricket, he is just the best example of a player who has a status within the game that the ICC couldn't just threaten them like the ECB are doing to the Irish county players.

I get that.
I just don't think there is anybody else who would enjoy that status.
Punter maybe? He just contradicts himself week to week.

Also I reckon the teams have already been told to stay schtum and I just feel its unfair to expect them to do it. If they do it, I will be the first lad clapping my hands, but you can't expect it from them.

d'Oracle · 06-04-2011 9:45pm

thebaz wrote: »

perhaps i think your posts are irrelevant, but i dont dismiss them with such arrogance

you have got rid of one cricket boardy - due to your arrogance

goodbye sir

If you stop posting cos of me it won't bother me one bit.
You will only spite you.

I'm sorry if I upset you so much. But I felt you were talking rubbish and I called it as I saw it.

booth70 · 06-04-2011 10:15pm

C'mon IRELAND......beat Pakistan next month and show the world what they will miss in 2015

HonalD · 06-04-2011 11:04pm

Condatis wrote: »

The way to deal with this is to find a new Kerry Packer figure.

Mr D(enis) O'Brien to reception please, Mr D O'Brien.........:rolleyes::rolleyes:

d'Oracle · 07-04-2011 3:19pm

HonalD wrote: »

Mr D(enis) O'Brien to reception please, Mr D O'Brien.........:rolleyes::rolleyes:

I reckon its 50/50.

I mean you had Kerry Packer = good.
But lets just cast our minds a year or two back to the last time a stupidly rich man decided to shake up cricket.....

Cremated · 08-04-2011 11:30am

Paddypower getting behind the lads with a petition,

http://paddypowerblog.wordpress.com/2011/04/07/sign-our-petition-let-ireland-play/

and Michael Vaughan was on the BBC Breakfast show yesterday...

Cremated · 08-04-2011 1:23pm

A member from another forum received this back from the ECB,

Dear Katherine

Thank you for your email and your comments re the 2015 Cricket World Cup

ECB has been a strong advocate of meritocracy in the qualification process for the ICC Cricket World Cup. ECB supports the decision to manage the volume of cricket by reducing the number of global events to one in each format of the game in a 4 year period.

A qualification period for a 10-team World Cup, which is by far the best format for this event, needs to commence in 2013 and 2014 and ECB will fully support its introduction at the earliest possible stage.

With best wishes

ECB Feedback...

Noo · 08-04-2011 1:28pm

The silence is deafening.

I believe the ICC really expected this annoucement to go unnoticed. They never expected such a massive backlash from all over the world, and their solution is to ignore it.

They need to defend this controversial decision in order to prevent more damage to their corrupt reputation, but they are choosing not to (because they arent able to?)...their silence speaks louder then their words ever could.

Noo · 08-04-2011 1:37pm

Cremated wrote: »

A member from another forum received this back from the ECB,

Dear Katherine

Thank you for your email and your comments re the 2015 Cricket World Cup

ECB has been a strong advocate of meritocracy in the qualification process for the ICC Cricket World Cup. ECB supports the decision to manage the volume of cricket by reducing the number of global events to one in each format of the game in a 4 year period.

A qualification period for a 10-team World Cup, which is by far the best format for this event, needs to commence in 2013 and 2014 and ECB will fully support its introduction at the earliest possible stage.

With best wishes

ECB Feedback...

This is kind of odd.
They'll support qualification if introduced (because theyll have to) but wont vote for it in the first place?
I'd love to see what the original email sent to them was, i dont really get this reply.

Dozen Wicked Words · 08-04-2011 1:41pm

Noo wrote: »

This is kind of odd.
They'll support qualification if introduced (because theyll have to) but wont vote for it in the first place?
I'd love to see what the original email sent to them was, i dont really get this reply.

There was no vote to vote on was there?

Noo · 08-04-2011 1:43pm

Well speak out during the decision making process or however they decided to come to their wonderous decision

Cremated · 08-04-2011 1:49pm

I asked the person for his/her original email to the ECB, I'll post it up here if I get it...

Noo · 08-04-2011 1:51pm

Great! i'm really surprised they got a reply, anyone know of anyone who has gotten any more replies?

Cremated · 08-04-2011 2:14pm

This is what the person on the Cricket forum said to me when I asked about the email he sent to the ECB,

'' I think I better not post it in full, I was a bit outraged. Basically I said that I was unhappy that the ECB were involved in removing the opportunity for associates to be in the world cup, that it's therefore not a 'world cup', and so I'd not see the point of following 50-over cricket any more. That I didn't see the point of watching domestic list A cricket any more, and I'd rather watch the IPL, domestic T20, and the T20 world cup.

Anyhow, it seems to be a generic reply from the ECB that they've sent out to anyone who emailed them. ''

now there is this on the Cricket Europe website,

http://www.cricketeurope4.net/DATABASE/ARTICLES4/articles/000007/000752.shtml ...

blorg · 08-04-2011 2:17pm

I know very little about cricket but have been here in India for three months and there is a massive amount of good-will felt towards Ireland, due to cricket. It is impossible to over-stress how enamoured they are with the game here, it is played absolutely everywhere, on the beach, in fields, town squares, schoolyards. I was cycling through a small village the other day and kids were playing in a small square trying to bowl their way over a water buffalo that was sitting there quite unbothered. Almost everyone I meet has actually heard of the country now and they all know Kevin O'Brien... no-one was taking the India game for granted either. I snapped this front-page poll from the Times of India on the 17/03:

DonRosco · 08-04-2011 2:33pm

I have to say, from reading comments on cricinfo and elsewhere, the support for Ireland from the fans on the subcontinent has been really heartwarming. It's good to see.

Pauleta · 08-04-2011 3:00pm

Interesting poll from India. I also think Shahrukh IS the most popular Khan in Bollywood :cool:

d'Oracle · 08-04-2011 4:15pm

Pauleta wrote: »

Interesting poll from India. I also think Shahrukh IS the most popular Khan in Bollywood :cool:

Undoubtedly +1.

He is the only Khan I know of in bollywood.

ICC considering 12 teams for next World Cup

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