anyone here going to vote sinn féin?

meglome · 23-02-2011 01:12AM

crebel81 wrote: »

...Sinn Fein are not a party who encorage the rich to get richer, and this does not appeal to the elite who of course will vote FG/FF, and will hide their reasons for not voting Sinn Fein with absolute crap regarding Gerry Adams past etc.

I believe Sinn Fein will do well in this election and will build on the extra seats which they will gain.

I don't care about Gerry Adams past, I care about what he's doing now. My major problem with SF is they are basically anti-business and anti-capitalist. I have a business and I've never ripped anyone off, I haven't overcharged people, I've created jobs. I've voted Labour, I've voted SF but I wouldn't trust them to run a sweety shop never mind a country right now. Even giving them a protest vote right now would be a terrible idea given where we're at.

I hate their attitude (and their supporters), all this talk of the 'rich' or the 'elites' are to blame. No mention that these rich are the ones that actually pay the tax in this country and are the ones who actually create the jobs.

I'm not 'rich' or 'elite' and I resent the implications they make.

Timulus Package · 23-02-2011 01:12AM

paul71 wrote: »

Wrong, I have already addressed the SF stimulus plan in this tread. No-body in the department of finance even saw this plan, government departments are forbidden to contribute to or comment on party policy documents. The press officer at the dept will confirm this for you.

SF are telling lies, in fact all the parties are just the biggest fantasy is coming from SF. The cuts will come and they will be massive no matter what party goes into power because they cant write cheques with money we don't have.

The department didn't look at SFs plan and say - yeah, that'll do fine. The figures used in the plan are care of the department. look at the plan and make up your own mind as to how it sounds.

Nodin · 23-02-2011 01:13AM

colly10 wrote: »

If your friends with people who like to blow other people up, I wouldn't be trusting you to run the country

...don't vote Labour then.

colly10 · 23-02-2011 01:17AM

PomBear wrote: »

Fail. It's called an economic policy. Sinn Féin have one, you should read it some time instead of basing your knowledge on one factor of it

I couldn't be arsed reading Sinn Fein's policy cause I wouldn't consider voting for them regardless of policy.
You tell me where the money comes from, I asked you, if ye couldn't be bothered answering then fair enough. So where's the money going to come from to run the country for the next year?

paul71 · 23-02-2011 01:18AM

PomBear wrote: »

Wrong, Sinn Féin are going down this an alternative route with a stimulus package that has been costed by the Dept of Finance.

Fine Gael just don't have the balls to stand up to the banks because they know where their allegiances but hey, enough people are buying that Fine Gael dribble....

Timulus Package wrote: »

The Bond Market. it has been said 100s of times. Why do so many people pretend not to hear it?

How much is in the NPRF?

What money for the banks? The whole point is that they get no more money. Again, why do people pretend not to hear this?

AIB and BOI can fend for themselves. We need to Guarentee the deposits but the rest can sod off. BoI will manage fine on it's own. If AIB need investors they can look for them themselves.

4.8 billion in the NPRF, enough for 35 days of government spending.

The bond market? Why would anyone lend to a country unable to pay its current debts and unwilling to bring expenditure into line with income. Repeating something 100 times does not change it from fantasy to reality.

Hannibal · 23-02-2011 01:19AM

SafeSurfer wrote: »

The pools show 71% of Sinn Fein supporters do not support Adams as leader of their party.

In my constituency and the neighbouring constituencies all the local candidate's posters show them and Pearse Doherty, not a sign of the dear leader anywhere.
Does that say something about how highly Gerry Adams is regarded within his own party?

Gerry Adams has the full support of his party, there's no doubt about this. I or anyone I know have never once participated in these polls so I dont know where they come from. Adams at 62 will be moving aside when he or the party decide to, yes Pearse Doherty would be an excellent choice as would Conor Murphy etc..
What constituency are you in by the way?

paul71 · 23-02-2011 01:20AM

Timulus Package wrote: »

The department didn't look at SFs plan and say - yeah, that'll do fine. The figures used in the plan are care of the department. look at the plan and make up your own mind as to how it sounds.

I did, and its complete rubbish.

PomBear · 23-02-2011 01:21AM

paul71 wrote: »

Wrong, I have already addressed the SF stimulus plan in this tread. No-body in the department of finance even saw this plan, government departments are forbidden to contribute to or comment on party policy documents. The press officer at the dept will confirm this for you.

SF are telling lies, in fact all the parties are just the biggest fantasy is coming from SF. The cuts will come and they will be massive no matter what party goes into power because they cant write cheques with money we don't have.

Source or is that what your FG cumann chair said?

colly10 · 23-02-2011 01:22AM

Timulus Package wrote: »

The Bond Market. it has been said 100s of times. Why do so many people pretend not to hear it.

And what % do you think we'll get this money at taking into account that we considerably spend more than we take in and we refuse to make cuts?

PomBear · 23-02-2011 01:23AM

colly10 wrote: »

I couldn't be arsed reading Sinn Fein's policy cause I wouldn't consider voting for them regardless of policy.
You tell me where the money comes from, I asked you, if ye couldn't be bothered answering then fair enough. So where's the money going to come from to run the country for the next year?

you couldn't be arsed yet you've no problem forming an opinion on something you haven't read

unfortunately, there are more like you and you all have votes

caseyann · 23-02-2011 01:25AM

Roll on voting day

paul71 · 23-02-2011 01:26AM

PomBear wrote: »

Source or is that what your FG cumann chair said?

The source is the Department of Finance themselves, I rang the press office the day someone brought this plan up on this tread, please call the press office yourself. Once again Government departments are forbidden to comment on or contribute to any party policy document, this has been the case since the foundation of this state, and is true of every other democracy too.

PomBear · 23-02-2011 01:29AM

paul71 wrote: »

The source is the Department of Finance themselves, I rang the press office the day someone brought this plan up on this tread, please call the press office yourself. Once again Government departments are forbidden to comment on or contribute to any party policy document, this has been the case since the foundation of this state, and is true of every other democracy too.

Yet they haven't denied it publicly...... I smell sh1te

SafeSurfer · 23-02-2011 01:30AM

Dotsey wrote: »

Gerry Adams has the full support of his party, there's no doubt about this.

You say this while being aware of the definition of full ?
1. Containing all that is normal or possible

2. Complete in every particular

3. Of maximum or highest degree

Now come on. I don't think even the biggest Gerry supporter believes that.

When was the last time that the party voted on the leadership of Gerry Adams?

Do you know?

Anyone, anyone, Bueller?

colly10 · 23-02-2011 01:31AM

PomBear wrote: »

you couldn't be arsed yet you've no problem forming an opinion on something you haven't read

unfortunately, there are more like you and you all have votes

Yes, and your so bothered by it that you still couldn't be bothered telling me where Sinn Fein will get the money to run the country with no cuts or bailout (when there's not enough in the NPR - it would last no time, and the bond markets would screw us).
Funny that. I know that the reason is that you can't answer the question and if ye even bother you'll give me something vague like "economic policy", saying taxes won't do either cause we could never tax enough

PomBear · 23-02-2011 01:33AM

colly10 wrote: »

Yes, and your so bothered by it that you still couldn't be bothered telling me where Sinn Fein will get the money to run the country with no cuts or bailout (when there's not enough in the NPR - it would last no time, and the bond markets would screw us).
Funny that. I know that the reason is that you can't answer the question and if ye even bother you'll give me something vague like "economic policy", saying taxes won't do either cause we could never tax enough

why would I tell you when you're proving my point?

PomBear · 23-02-2011 01:35AM

SafeSurfer wrote: »

Dotsey wrote: »

You say this while being aware of the definition of full ?
1. Containing all that is normal or possible

2. Complete in every particular

3. Of maximum or highest degree

Now come on. I don't think even the biggest Gerry supporter believes that.

When was the last time that the party voted on the leadership of Gerry Adams?

Do you know?

Anyone, anyone, Bueller?

Gerry Adams leadership has infact never been challenged

paul71 · 23-02-2011 01:37AM

PomBear wrote: »

Yet they haven't denied it publicly...... I smell sh1te

Why should a government deny something publicly that is so obvious, do you really beleive any of the other parties would have their election manifesto produced by a government department here or in any democracy. If they did it would be preversion of democracy.

I am afraid the only smell of sh1te comes from the piece of paper produced by SF.

colly10 · 23-02-2011 01:38AM

PomBear wrote: »

why would I tell you when you're proving my point?

And how's that exactly, I see your proving mine quite well, nothing new from a Sinn Fein supporter, dodging the real question

The fact that they sell ****e like this in their shop means they wouldn't get a vote from me regardless of what they say -
http://www.sinnfeinbookshop.com/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=303

Capt'n Midnight · 23-02-2011 01:39AM

Wolfe Tone wrote: »

They chose to work with anti-gay and sectarian people like Paisley, in the name of progress

They still haven't worked with anyone in Westminster or Leinster House.

Capt'n Midnight · 23-02-2011 01:43AM

Davypat wrote: »

Yes, I would have to agree. They never research the reason "WHY"!!!! 800 long and dreadful years of it.

Hang about you mean the Brits left in 1969 ?

SafeSurfer · 23-02-2011 01:53AM

PomBear wrote: »

SafeSurfer wrote: »

Gerry Adams leadership has infact never been challenged

Oh right. Just like this guy.

Davypat · 23-02-2011 02:05AM

fisgon wrote: »

Don't you mean Northern Ireland, a tiny, insignificant province of the Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland?

Hang on a minute. Where is Northern Ireland? We have 4 Provinces, Munster, Leinster,Connaught & Ulster. Only 6 Counties of Ulster are still in bondage surely.

Fitzerb · 23-02-2011 02:09AM

cornerboy wrote: »

I cant rob banks in order to pay my morgage, so pardon me if I have more important things to be concerned with. I dont give a damn about your precious 6 counties.

Correction, They are OUR 6 Counties

maccored · 23-02-2011 02:17AM

colly10 wrote: »

Yes, and your so bothered by it that you still couldn't be bothered telling me where Sinn Fein will get the money to run the country with no cuts or bailout (when there's not enough in the NPR - it would last no time, and the bond markets would screw us).
Funny that. I know that the reason is that you can't answer the question and if ye even bother you'll give me something vague like "economic policy", saying taxes won't do either cause we could never tax enough

if you watch a week in politics from feb 13th, you might get a better idea.

maccored · 23-02-2011 02:19AM

SafeSurfer wrote: »

Oh right. Just like this guy.

that is so weak it verges on plain silly.

mccoist · 23-02-2011 08:11AM

interesting listening to leaders debate last night all of them talking about negotiating new deal with imf/eu
please refer back to prvious blogs on tread
this deal will be renegotiated
a strong sf vote by the people will send a message to our eoropean friends
1/ we have are are about to wake up
2/in doing so we are not going to be pushed about as we know our leadership will not take it like the lazy ff lenihamn cowan sellouts did

nb /just so you sf non thinkers know i can give a balanced view,
enda kenny was exceptional in leaders debate
he came across as being thoughtful and definately honest,
and took none of that rubbish martin puts out
standing beside G ADAMS must be wearing off on enda

how about a fine gael led goverment backed by sinn fein
end the civil war politics for ever
that would really be a plus for this country

this would give people something to consider

Timulus Package · 23-02-2011 08:23AM

paul71 wrote: »

4.8 billion in the NPRF, enough for 35 days of government spending.

The bond market? Why would anyone lend to a country unable to pay its current debts and unwilling to bring expenditure into line with income. Repeating something 100 times does not change it from fantasy to reality.

There is over 14bn in the NPRF. The government plan to pump another 10bn of that into the black hole of ANGLO even though that is only a percentage of what they want.

As I've said a million times - We were frozen from the bond market as the bank debt hanging from us is to big for us to manage. We cannot pay it. If we remove the bank debt we can return to the bond market.

How can you admit to us not being able to pay our debts yet tell us we must borrow more from the ECB at 5.8%? Where is the logic in that? That has only one outcome -Default. What is your plan then?

SF have a plan to reduce the deficit which includes many cuts.

Regarding L
LB and FG, how much burden sharing do they expect the bond-holders to take?

Sergeant · 23-02-2011 08:54AM

About 3000 posts and 11 seats.

paul71 · 23-02-2011 08:55AM

Timulus Package wrote: »

There is over 14bn in the NPRF. The government plan to pump another 10bn of that into the black hole of ANGLO even though that is only a percentage of what they want.

As I've said a million times - We were frozen from the bond market as the bank debt hanging from us is to big for us to manage. We cannot pay it. If we remove the bank debt we can return to the bond market.

How can you admit to us not being able to pay our debts yet tell us we must borrow more from the ECB at 5.8%. Where is the logic in that? That has only one outcome -Default. What is your plan then?

SF have a plan to reduce the deficit which includes many cuts.

Regarding LD and FG, how much burden sharing do they expect the bond-holders to take?

No there isn't you are weeks out of date there is only €4.8 billion left.

We where frozen out of the bond market because there was no plan in place to curb our spending, we can only attract loans if we can display the ability to generate the funds to repay which would not happen if we continue to spend 13 billion more then we take in tax.

Sinn Feins plans to cut spending are talking about reducing salaries of those above €100,000 in public sector, fine as a point of principle I agree with that but to Cap salaries at €100,000 will result in us losing some good people for a pretty minimal saving. Thereafter they plan a wealth tax to Generate €500,000,000 the basis of this is that France generated this amount (anyone miss the fact that France has a population of 50 or 60 million and we have about 4).

Simple fact is we are losing 13billion a year and our bank system is on the verge of colapse which would hurt the real economy and lose us more jobs if it happens. Fine let the banks collapse but be prepared for Intel or HP or or a big Pharma co to walk when it happens.

Regarding FG/Lab and burning bondholders, at the moment the are saying burn none, but get this Timulus I am not niave enough to think FG/Lab are not lying either. They will use the bondholders and default as a stick to beat IMF/ECB with, they are just not saying it.

Listen they are all lying, and SF have entered the stage with a bang in this election, they have learned that to get votes you must lie because the Irish Electorate do not want to hear the news that the real cuts that are needed are 30% of everything.

And you know what Gerry Adams and SF are not fools, they know all of this and are in the great position that they know they don't have to impliment their unworkable policies because they wont get into power. All they are doing is positioning themselves for the next election. Great tactics.

anyone here going to vote sinn féin?

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