anyone here going to vote sinn féin?

shtemcguire

they have policies that want to help the poor and they are republican which is good

Nozebleed

yes. i look forward to the 5 way leader debate. will make interesting viewing.

shtemcguire

Nozebleed wrote: »

yes. i look forward to the 5 way leader debate. will make interesting viewing.

when is it?

Ken.

yes,if theres one running in my area(kildare south)

lugha

shtemcguire wrote: »

they have policies that want to help the poor

Leaving aside my usual reservations about SF, it is very possible that their policies would make everybody, poor included, considerably worst off. And in any case, their policies won't matter much unless they are in power (most unlikely), and also have sufficient clout to impose their policies over the very different ones of the other parties (even more unlikely).

In truth, if you considering voting SF, you should do so on the basis of effective they will be as an opposition party, not a party of government.

shtemcguire wrote: »

and they are republican which is good

If by this you mean they give the united Ireland project greater priority, then it is largely irrelevant. The mechanism to make this happen is agreed, there is very little they can do in practice to make it happen any quicker.

Nehaxak

Yep, voting SF here.

henryporter

After watching Pierse Doherty on Primetime on Wednesday last an emphatic NO! - I can't believe that the sum total of Sinn Fein's economic policies are to take what remains of the Pension Fund an what is on reserve in the Central Bank and use that to p!ss away on one years Public Expenditure while not having any idea what to do next year, while at the same time allowing us to become alienated by anyone willing to ever lend us money on the future (unless they're aiming to make us the first sub-prime Country!)

dartbhoy

I'll be voting for Sinn Fein,the first time their running a canidate in the Cork North West area and Des O'Grady will be getting my number 1.

eddison

You know it doesn't matter what their financial policies are, we have signed a contract for lots of money, and have to pay it back.
SF are not stoopid, they know if they had the choice to tax company directors like in INTEL to the hilt, they would leave.
But their financial policies are completely irrelevant, because they will be in power with someone else.
But mention that the first president of FG was Eoin O' Duffy also commander of the 2nd Northern division of the IRA, and they go strangely silent !! Funny also it that you will not find this particular piece of history on their web site???

There is no way in hell SF will be voted in, but be in power with FF, or FG, or LB probably. So those other parties who have more financial experience will balance SF out. Therefore it doesn't matter if they have have a policy to bring in the Hijab, they wont be able to do it without agreement from another party...

johngalway

No. I don't believe in wasting my vote.

namelessguy

eddison wrote: »

But that doesn't stop people who are SF haters (also hate travellers, forign nationals, coloured, and vote FG) bashing SF amap.

So you're ok with making sweeping generalisation that anyone who votes for FG are racists? You've obviously had a bad experience, was it the wifes family?

eddison wrote: »

But mention that the first president of FG was Eoin O' Duffy also commander of the 2nd Northern division of the IRA, and they go strangely silent !!

What relevance does that have with anything? Most of the founders of the modern political parties were members of the IRA.

eddison wrote: »

Funny also it that you will not find this particular piece of history on their web site???

I'm sure there's quite a bit of Sinn Féin's history that you won't find on their website. And is it relevant? I remember covering the topic in history in secondary school, as I'm sure anyone who took history at leaving cert level would have.

I won't be voting Sinn Féin. I don't agree with most of their policies and the whole issue of insisting that Gerry McCabe's killers were released not to mention a Ferris going to greet upon their release means I won't for the long term.

keithm1

It will be a first for me and my family voting sf

eddison

So you're ok with making sweeping generalisation that anyone who votes for FG are racists? You've obviously had a bad experience, was it the wifes family?

Ok, you are right, I edited the comment out about FG and racism, fair enough.
The wifes family? ha! no dude, I think your getting me mixed up with Lars1916.

But you keep bringing up history, what about all the victims of Michael Collins? Do you know any of his victims names?

CoalBucket

I have a bit of a quandry when it comes to voting this time around. My constituency is Cork South Central. It looks like the last seat in this 5 seater will be a race between the Fianna Fail candidate Michael McGrath and the Sinn Fein candidate Chris O'Leary.

Normally I would never vote sinn fein. I am against most of their policies.
I don't want to vote for sinn fein but my vote might just be the difference in keeping a Fianna Fail TD out of the Dail.

Before the FF leadership change Micheal Martin was in trouble in this constituency. I definitely would have voted Sinn Fein if it meant keeping that slimeball out. But now he is the FF leader the local FF leeches or supporters as they like to call themselves will get him over the line.

So I am contemplating it.

namelessguy

eddison wrote: »

The wifes family? ha! no dude, I think your getting me mixed up with Lars1916.

My bad!

eddison wrote: »

But you keep bringing up history,?

I do believe you brought up history when you brought up Eoin O'Duffy.

eddison wrote: »

what about all the victims of Michael Collins? Do you know any of his victims names?

Nope. Nor do I know any of the "victims" of other War of Independence era IRA members nor the "victims" of the British forces.

What's the relevance of Michael Collin's "victims"?

eddison

Michael Collins is the founder of FG. I'm kinda used to people reliving history here, and bringing up treaty, anti treaty stuff.

The relevance is all parties had a gun in their hand at one stage, but all have changed. And I believe SF have changed too.

eddison

CoalBucket wrote: »

Before the FF leadership change Micheal Martin was in trouble in this constituency. I definitely would have voted Sinn Fein if it meant keeping that slimeball out. But now he is the FF leader the local FF leeches or supporters as they like to call themselves will get him over the line.

So I am contemplating it.

Why is Martin, (i call him MOTU master of the universe-non smoking) a slimeball?
He does come across as 'quiet now children, adults are talking'.

namelessguy

eddison wrote: »

Michael Collins is the founder of FG..

Michael Collins died in 1922. Fine Gael was founded in 1933.

eddison wrote: »

The relevance is all parties had a gun in their hand at one stage, but all have changed. And I believe SF have changed too.

True but none of them advocated for and celebrated the release of the killers of a Gard who did nothing other than attempt to uphold the laws of the country and protect it's citizens.

CoalBucket

eddison wrote: »

Why is Martin, (i call him MOTU master of the universe-non smoking) a slimeball?
He does come across as 'quiet now children, adults are talking'.

Well apart from his obvious political failings of which theyre are many, he just comes across as a slimeball to me and i have met him many times.

the groutch

CoalBucket wrote: »

I have a bit of a quandry when it comes to voting this time around. My constituency is Cork South Central. It looks like the last seat in this 5 seater will be a race between the Fianna Fail candidate Michael McGrath and the Sinn Fein candidate Chris O'Leary.

Normally I would never vote sinn fein. I am against most of their policies.
I don't want to vote for sinn fein but my vote might just be the difference in keeping a Fianna Fail TD out of the Dail.

Before the FF leadership change Micheal Martin was in trouble in this constituency. I definitely would have voted Sinn Fein if it meant keeping that slimeball out. But now he is the FF leader the local FF leeches or supporters as they like to call themselves will get him over the line.

So I am contemplating it.

yeah, I can see alot of people voting for SF (and ULA and independents) where it's a close thing, just to keep a FF candidate out

Honestly, there's enough threads that delve into the History of Sinn Fein, the title of this thread is

"anyone here going to vote sinn féin?"

So lets keep it to that please. No more derailing please.

eddison

namelessguy wrote: »

Michael Collins died in 1922. Fine Gael was founded in 1933.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fine_Gael

namelessguy

eddison wrote: »

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fine_Gael

Perchance did you look at the frame to the right? Third sentence down, underneath the current deputy leader?

Back on topic, have never voted for Sinn Fein and don't think I ever will. Some of it has to do with their policies but alot of it would have to do with their history. Though if unionists in NI can go in to NI then I should at least consider them and not dismiss them out of hand. The racit FG voter that I am :pac:

thetonynator

shtemcguire wrote: »

they have policies that want to help the poor and they are republican which is good

They have policies - I think you will find every political party has policies!

As for voting for them - I can't imagine why anyone would want to vote for a party that has such strong ties with a terrorist organisation.

They have two candidates in Carlow-Kilkenny, with a 16% support overall. (Opinion poll in Kilkenny people on wednesday). If the transfers work out right for them they might take a seat.

cabledude

What sealed Sinn Fein's fate with me was the time Martin Ferris daughter was a guest on The Late Late show. She at the time was the mayor of Tralee(I think).
She was asked repeatedly to condemn the murder of Det.Garda Gerry McCabe in Askeaton , Limerick in the early 90's. She refused to do so.

Any person elected to any office in Irish society must at all times encourage the citizens to uphold the laws of the land. For her to refuse to condemn this cold blooded murder was a disgracefull way to behave. Whatever her personal views on the matter, she was on the show as the Mayor and youngest member of Tralee council and therefore had an obligation to act accordingly.

I would never vote for a party who's officials would refuse to condemn the murder of a Garda.

On top of this their economic policies are hare brained and off the wall. Gerry Adams was interviewed for BBC radio in recent days and could not tell the interviewer what the VAT rates in Ireland were. He then went on to say that childrens allowance should not have been cut. Again the interviewer probed this point by asking Mr. Adams what the child benefit rates were in Ireland. He did not know. I will rest my case.

tomasocarthaigh

Ill be voting SF / ULA in Laois Offaly, and for Tony Mc Laughlin if he runs in the General Election. What order? Probably ULA No 1, if eleiminated it'll then benefit SF who may need the transfer, maximising my vote...

eddison

Perchance did you look at the frame to the right? Third sentence down, underneath the current deputy leader?

Yes, Namelessguy, Officially, Fianna Gael started in 1933, officially, that is but who is to know when it unofficially started?
Fianna Gael was inextricably linked with the IRA, with Eoin O' Duffy. Eoin O' Duffy was president of Fianna gael. He was also Chief of Staff of the IRA, around 1922. This was also the time Collins was shot dead. So it seems reasonable to assume Collins, and Eoin O' Duffy may have unofficially started Fianna Gael around that time.

Wikipedia also states:
'''Although most Irish political parties recognise his [Michael Collins] contribution to the foundation of the modern Irish state, supporters of Fine Gael hold his memory in particular esteem, regarding him as their movement's founding father, through his link to their precursor Cumann na nGaedheal.'''


Therefore we have Eoin O' Duffy Chief of staff of the IRA, and president of Fianna Gael, and Michael Collins according to wikipedia regarded as the founder. Both men connected with Fianna Gael, and the suggested date around 1922. This could be way out though

femur61

namelessguy wrote: »

I won't be voting Sinn Féin. I don't agree with most of their policies and the whole issue of insisting that Gerry McCabe's killers were released not to mention a Ferris going to greet upon their release means I won't for the long term.

Besides having screwed up economic policies The above reason will have a huge influence on me why I would never vote SF. Burn the bond holders and what happens to my savings?

namelessguy

eddison wrote: »

Yes, Namelessguy, Officially, Fianna Gael started in 1933, officially, that is but who is to know when it unofficially started?
Fianna Gael was inextricably linked with the IRA, with Eoin O' Duffy. Eoin O' Duffy was president of Fianna gael. He was also Chief of Staff of the IRA, around 1922. This was also the time Collins was shot dead. So it seems reasonable to assume Collins, and Eoin O' Duffy may have unofficially started Fianna Gael around that time.

Wikipedia also states:
'''Although most Irish political parties recognise his [Michael Collins] contribution to the foundation of the modern Irish state, supporters of Fine Gael hold his memory in particular esteem, regarding him as their movement's founding father, through his link to their precursor Cumann na nGaedheal.'''


Therefore we have Eoin O' Duffy Chief of staff of the IRA, and president of Fianna Gael, and Michael Collins according to wikipedia regarded as the founder. Both men connected with Fianna Gael, and the suggested date around 1922. This could be way out though

Yes Eoin O'Duffy was a member of the IRA .As where two other leaders of Fine Gael, WT Cosgrave and Richard Mulchay. Eoin O'Duffy was also a general in the Free State Army, which was formed around a core of pre-treaty IRA members when the IRA split after the War of Independence. To top that off he served as the first commissioner of An Garda Síochána.

Why is at all relevant that some Independence era IRA members formed Fine Gael? They also formed Fianna Fail.

Capt'n Midnight

eddison wrote: »

Michael Collins is the founder of FG. I'm kinda used to people reliving history here, and bringing up treaty, anti treaty stuff.

The relevance is all parties had a gun in their hand at one stage, but all have changed. And I believe SF have changed too.

oh dear lord

this crap again

excluding those politicians who were in SF or an offshoot of SF name one elected representative who had a gun in their hand since CJ was accused of gun running 40 years ago ??????

Gerry on the other hand has been president of SF for the last 28 years (so no fresh blood there ) and both the Irish and British governments have stated that he is/was on the IRA Army Council.



I suspect there is a lot of shilling going on, the % of threads about SF are a lot higher than their vote and a lot of posters with low counts.

highlandseoghan

I will be voting sf because they are the only party to care for the poor and unemployed. No other party will do anything for the less well off. I will also be voting for 2 independents.

Sf will work hard for the irish people I dont think any other party will work as hard.

MagicMarker

No.

Seriously, yellow cards have been handed out already. Keep to the topic at hand, which is, "anyone here going to vote sinn féin?". People will start receiving holidays from this forum if they keep going off topic with history lessons

ismiseuisce

No.

moceri

Used to Vote FG, But I somehow doubt they have the BALLS to take on Barosso & Co. who do not want the subordinate Bondholders burnt.

I don't care if the likes of Abramovich, Rothschilds, and Goldman Sachs were foolish enough to advance funds to Anglo Irish Bank, they were paid a premium for the gamble and they lost. I was never asked as a Taxpayer to underwrite their losses.

I say we go the Icelandic route and cut them clear and let Anglo and AIB fail.

I am voting SF.

sollar

I'm voting sinn fein because i want to give the message to barosso and co that alot of people in this country feel they've been had and have no interest in paying private bankers debt. These guys will be looking closely at our election and it would do our cause no harm at all if a party that may play chicken with them does well.

I also think doherty will be good locally.

RustyNut

Im voting sf this time round just to p1ss off the ffers. If they are beaten by the shinners they will be sick as parrots. Thats the best use of my vote, the imf will be making all the big decisions from now on so it makes no real difference who we vote for.

COYW

I have spoken to my local SF candidate now and as a private sector worker in a multi-national company, I will not be voting for SF. I would be truely stupid to do so. Under their policies, I would get taxed even more, whilst those on the dole will be getting boom time benefits.

Also, as long as Gerry Adams has any connection with SF, I will never vote for them unless he finally tells the public about his role within the IRA. I always laugh when SF politicians talk about openness, honesty and transparency for the public when the head of their own party continuously dodges this very basic question. I asked the candidate why he wont answer this question and the candidate gave me the 'not relevant in modern day Ireland' yarn.

FG #1, IND #2 for me now, I think.

Irish Fire

RustyNut wrote: »

Im voting sf this time round just to p1ss off the ffers. If they are beaten by the shinners they will be sick as parrots. Thats the best use of my vote, the imf will be making all the big decisions from now on so it makes no real difference who we vote for.

That's a bloody stupid reason to vote for another party. If S.F. get in it'll be on sympathy votes!!!! To be honest they will win a few extra seats but nothing to make any difference and don't forget folks F.F. will be back in on the term after this because Irish people have a short memory.......

thetonynator

highlandseoghan wrote: »

I will be voting sf because they are the only party to care for the poor and unemployed. No other party will do anything for the less well off. I will also be voting for 2 independents.

Sf will work hard for the irish people I dont think any other party will work as hard.

Not much good looking after the poor and jobless if they haven't got a cent to give to them because no one will loan to us and because their only financial policy is to spend the pension reserve fund, and default on our debt.

UDAWINNER

yes

RightHalfBack

Yes I will or would, but may be out of the country depending on the day.

I think many of us (myself included) should pay more tax, the only problem i have is paying more tax and seeing no benefit to our Society. This is what i see happening now with the Universal Social Charge,

Witcher

I don't intend voting for Sinn Fein in this election nor any election as long as I live.

Their crap about being a changed party and having moved away from being associated with Republican paramilitary groups doesn't convince me when this can be bought on their website.

This is just my opinion and of course everyone is free to vote for who they want be it SF or otherwise but I'd ask them to note that this is what the party is like behind all their rabbling.

sharkie66

Yes, I will vote for Sinn Fein.

Many in the media and the media say that SF's economic policies are downright crazy but top world economists would beg to differ! The private investors should be left to the rules of the market. Taking risks involves losing as well! These investors know the rules so why are the Irish people expected to pay for their bad choices.

Like it or not all the parties will have to come to SF's stance on this as the country simply cannot afford to take on this debt! It would appear that SF got out of the blocks first with the correct solution to the problem and all mainstream parties cannot accept this and have all decided to label SF as losers. The mainstream parties really need to look at each other's policies and figure out what needs to be done for the easing of the misery thousands of hardworking people are experiencing throughout the island of Ireland.

Lets hope all those who intend to vote in this election ask the pertinent questions when the politicians knock on their doors!

mariebeth

I'd vote for FF before I'd vote for SF.

Yes, they're promising great things in order to get votes, but I can't see what benefit to the country their promises will be. It's going to be a tough few years ahead of us, but if SF get their way I honestly believe they'd make things a lot worse.

lugha

sharkie66 wrote: »

Yes, I will vote for Sinn Fein.

Many in the media and the media say that SF's economic policies are downright crazy but top world economists would beg to differ! The private investors should be left to the rules of the market. Taking risks involves losing as well! These investors know the rules so why are the Irish people expected to pay for their bad choices.

Like it or not all the parties will have to come to SF's stance on this as the country simply cannot afford to take on this debt! It would appear that SF got out of the blocks first with the correct solution to the problem and all mainstream parties cannot accept this and have all decided to label SF as losers. The mainstream parties really need to look at each other's policies and figure out what needs to be done for the easing of the misery thousands of hardworking people are experiencing throughout the island of Ireland.

Lets hope all those who intend to vote in this election ask the pertinent questions when the politicians knock on their doors!

It may well go that way. There may be some attempt to revisit the debt problem at some time in the future. The other opposition parties would share this aspiration.
What sets Sinn Fein apart is their populist rhetoric suggesting that we can simply tell the IMF and the EU to sod off. It totally ignores the extent to which we are depending on these strangers, even if they are not terribly kind.

Playing hardball is feasible if you have decent hand (or a party who know they won't be in power and thus have to implement their ideas) but we don't even have a decent card. The parties who matter (i.e. the ones who will be in power and thus will be trying to work through this mess after the election) will bring a bit of realism to bear and accept that persuasion rather than dictation holds a better prospect for improving our arrangement.

The wizzard Gerry is on news at one now,it's comical stuff.

crebel81

Blay wrote: »

I don't intend voting for Sinn Fein in this election nor any election as long as I live.

Their crap about being a changed party and having moved away from being associated with Republican paramilitary groups doesn't convince me when this can be bought on their website..

I will be voting Sinn Fein. Yes their history with the PIRA is no secret, but lets remind all of those in the 26 counties of the injustices that occured in the 6 counties. Interned without trial, bloody sunday, collusion, etc... Occupied illegally by british forces, nationalists and republicans had very little options open to them.

I am a republican and I will be voting Sinn Fein, the party that will focus on those who are less well off in society.

sharkie66

Deleted User wrote: »

The wizzard Gerry is on news at one now,it's comical stuff.

I don't find it comical but in fact rather serious stuff indeed! It is time for people to come to their senses and put their dislike of the person or personality aside and actually take onboard what Mr Adams and his party have to say. You might not like it but dissing a person who puts forward a view held by the world's top economists seems a tad silly! One thing for sure is that we as a nation of people will have to suffer a lot longer if we don't tell the private gamblers to feck off and suffer the consequences for bad investments! It is imperative that we do not pay for private investors bad fortune!

As for the consequences of SF's plan well just look at what Iceland did and where they are today. The market is lending money to Iceland once again so what part of the plan do you disagree with?

As for voting for F Fail I would be very surprised if anyone could justify a vote for that party taking into account what they have just done to the country. Mr Martin contributed to the mess and changing masks still leaves us with the beast underneath. They and their crony ill advised friends need to be kicked so hard that they never return to Irish politics.

I think that the Irish people will see that Fg and Lab are very very close to the old FF stance and vote SF

Wait and see!;)

You want to be like iceland where their central bank interest rate is around 7% ?
I know what would happen here if that was the case.

Max Power1

lucyfur09 wrote: »

yes,if theres one running in my area(kildare south)

There hasnt been up to now.

Ive been a staunch SF supporter until fairly recently, when their ridiculous leftist (OTT) financial policies turned me off them. I would class myself as a republican, however it is the rest of their party policies and ideals that I couldnt vote for. The links to the "troubles" would be the least of my worries if SF were to be in coalition. Especially with similar left-wing socialst parties like Labour.