anyone here going to vote sinn féin?

Gypsies · 15-02-2011 10:59AM

What worries me is the amount of people in this country who seem to have chosen to forget what happened to Mrs Janet McConville, a woman whose only crime was to show some decency & kindness towards a man in his dying moments. The Herald ran an article yesterday, reminding us all that Gerry Adams gave direct orders for that innocent mother of 10 to be murdered. I am very nervous to be living in a country where such an atrocity can be forgotten & forgiven by so many people and those same people are now voting for the man who gave these orders, to lead our country. I wonder what the family of Janet McConville must think of all this.

KELTICKNIGHTT · 15-02-2011 11:01AM

this about sums up debate

Martin looked like he was going to have a nervous breakdown

Gerry adams was in the wrong country:D

Every time Kenny opened his mouth I expected him to announce extra homework for all the boys for being noisy

Gormley has given up all hope in anything and has become a nihilist

Gilmore came across poor ,same as last debate
so think gerry and sf supports club need too rethink as they havent learnt much from last time,

KELTICKNIGHTT · 15-02-2011 11:04AM

Gypsies wrote: »

What worries me is the amount of people in this country who seem to have chosen to forget what happened to Mrs Janet McConville, a woman whose only crime was to show some decency & kindness towards a man in his dying moments. The Herald ran an article yesterday, reminding us all that Gerry Adams gave direct orders for that innocent mother of 10 to be murdered. I am very nervous to be living in a country where such an atrocity can be forgotten & forgiven by so many people and those same people are now voting for the man who gave these orders, to lead our country. I wonder what the family of Janet McConville must think of all this.

you know the sf supporters club here will tell you different, be same 6 or 5 supporters,you never get a straight answer too all these questions,only smart ones,alot of us dont forget what sf stands for and how they operate
they get votes from people who know no better,that the way it is,on positive side,they never be in goverment at least not for the next 100 years:D

PauloMN · 15-02-2011 11:25AM

Gypsies wrote: »

What worries me is the amount of people in this country who seem to have chosen to forget what happened to Mrs Janet McConville, a woman whose only crime was to show some decency & kindness towards a man in his dying moments. The Herald ran an article yesterday, reminding us all that Gerry Adams gave direct orders for that innocent mother of 10 to be murdered. I am very nervous to be living in a country where such an atrocity can be forgotten & forgiven by so many people and those same people are now voting for the man who gave these orders, to lead our country. I wonder what the family of Janet McConville must think of all this.

The Shinners here will tell you to forget all that nasty stuff, time to move on etc.. Then they'll bleat on about the 1916 heroes of course. And they'll gloss over the fact that SF sell IRA merchandise on their website.

I totally agree with you. I'm very uncomfortable with SF in power here, aside from the fact that their economic "policies" have nothing bar comedic value.

bergkamp10 · 15-02-2011 11:35AM

Irish Fire wrote: »

I'm glad someone agrees with me, I was waiting for the S.F. backlash

I think Michael O'Leary would be wasted on tourism, I think his energy would be better spent on finance.... now that would rattle cages

To be honest Irish people have a short memory..... F.F. will loose power now but two elections from now they'll be back in power..... lets face it if you asked to most of the current "pro" S.F. people 5 years ago would they vote for S.F.?? They'd have laughed at you and come back with the line "ME vote for the political wing of the ..., I don't bloody think so......." thus proving Irish people have a short memory.

massive big up yourself on the michael o leary point, couldn't agree more. Tho he was on ray darcy a while back and ray put it to him that he'd be a fantastict minister of finance and michael o leary replied, to paraphrase" i'm the LAST person you'd want as minister i'd be so realistic and utterly ruthless to get us out of the hole that ye'd be begging me to step down" i guess be careful what you wish for... However, a slightly toned down version of mr o leary would be fine wit me. I'm a sole trader wit children and a wife who's a full time mum, so i'm taking it up the @ss pretty hard as it is, vat hike, child ben cut, childcare subsidy scrapped, new business grant scrapped etc etc etc etc.... i doubt o leary would be any MORE painful- perhaps i'd be rogered slightly harder, for a lot less time!

insight_man · 15-02-2011 12:06PM

caseyann wrote: »

At the same time, Mark Durkan, leader of the Social Democratic and Labour Party (SDLP), which operates solely in the North but supports a united Ireland, spoke of his party’s “affinity” with Fianna Fail. His remarks have raised the possibility of either a pact between the two parties, or a merger to create a new all-Ireland bourgeois party. Currently the only all-Ireland party is Gerry Adams’s republican Sinn Fein.

http://ireland.corrupt.org/entry/107/United_Ireland_by_2016_not_as_

It is always in the pipeline even if you cant see it.They didnt make known the banking crisis till forced.

There is significant support in Great Britain for Ireland to reunify as a political entity. An ICM poll conduced by The Guardian in 2001 revealed that only 26% of Britons supported Northern Ireland remaining a part of the UK, while 41% supported a united Ireland.[6] The British Social Attitudes Survey in 2007 found 32.25% supported Northern Ireland remaining part of the UK, and 40.16% supported Irish re-unification.[7] The poll has been run 19 times between 1983 and 2007, with each result being in favour of Irish unity. The highest support came in 1994 with 59.36% of the respondents supporting Irish Unity, while 24.09% supported Northern Ireland remaining in the UK.

A 2006 Sunday Business Post survey reported that almost 80% of voters in the Republic favour a united Ireland: 22% believe that "achieving a united Ireland should be the first priority of the government" while 55% say they "would like to see a united Ireland, but not as the first priority of government." Of the remainder 10% said no efforts should be made to bring about a united Ireland and 13% had no opinion.[5] This poll was markedly up from one year earlier when a Sunday Independent article[32] reported that 55% would support a united Ireland, while the remainder said such an ambition held no interest.

The second-largest party, Fine Gael a descendent of the pro-Anglo-Irish Treaty section of Sinn Féin upon the partition of Ireland, has also supported reunification as one of the its key aims since its foundation. It supports the Belfast Agreement and had previously negotiated the Anglo-Irish agreement.
The Labour Party, likewise, has also supported reunification since the foundation of the state, although it has always considered this aim secondary to social causes. It also fully supports the Belfast Agreement, and supported the Anglo-Irish agreement. The former President of Ireland, Mary Robinson, resigned from the Irish Labour Party because she objected to the exclusion of unionists from the talks that led to the 1985 agreement.

For a change its nice and refreshing to read a post that has been researched and states the case clearly. I look forward to more of the same

insight_man · 15-02-2011 12:09PM

Gypsies wrote: »

What worries me is the amount of people in this country who seem to have chosen to forget what happened to Mrs Janet McConville, a woman whose only crime was to show some decency & kindness towards a man in his dying moments. The Herald ran an article yesterday, reminding us all that Gerry Adams gave direct orders for that innocent mother of 10 to be murdered. I am very nervous to be living in a country where such an atrocity can be forgotten & forgiven by so many people and those same people are now voting for the man who gave these orders, to lead our country. I wonder what the family of Janet McConville must think of all this.

Well if the Herald said it there is no need to go any further of course as that paper is the final word on everything. P:mad:athetic

Pete_Cavan · 15-02-2011 12:14PM

sharkie66 wrote: »

Well that was a great performance by Gerry. Put the rest of them to shame.

The country has choices to make!

Vote Sinn Fein and sort out the thieving FG/FF dummies for one and for all!

Moving on up....:)

Anybody can win a debate if all your plans are based on having access to a non-existant bottomless sack of money. Gerry wins the fantasy debate, back in the real world he was shown to be the clown that he is.

Gypsies · 15-02-2011 12:17PM

insight_man wrote: »

Well if the Herald said it there is no need to go any further of course as that paper is the final word on everything. P:mad:athetic

Fair play to the paper for running the article. They are stating what has been known for years. Sadly, too many people are in denial of the fact. Janet McConville could have been anybody's mother.

danbohan · 15-02-2011 12:23PM

Pete_Cavan wrote: »

Anybody can win a debate if all your plans are based on having access to a non-existant bottomless sack of money. Gerry wins the fantasy debate, back in the real world he was shown to be the clown that he is.

ogh dear , blueshirts are bit peevish this morning , could it be the sight of kenny looking like a rabbit in the headlights any time gilmore looked at him , poor enda , he really could do without this debate nonsense .speaking of bottomless sack of money any idea where this 5 billion is that fine gael has mislaid ?

that was not a debate last night , it was 5 stooges similarly dressed been interviewed by a chief stooge pretending they were sharing the peoples pain , bs

danbohan · 15-02-2011 12:24PM

Gypsies wrote: »

Fair play to the paper for running the article. They are stating what has been known for years. Sadly, too many people are in denial of the fact. Janet McConville could have been anybody's mother.

except most peoples mothers are not british spys

LK_Dave · 15-02-2011 12:25PM

I fear that a vote for SF will see an end to Irish family farms and usher in foreign owned factory farms. SF’s plan is to place a wealth tax of 1% on all assets valued at €1 million and above. Let’s say a family farm was milking 60 cows on a hundred acres – that would in my opinion value that farm at or above €1 million. That family enterprise would have to pay out another €10,000 on taxes. There is no way they can afford this and will result in farmers going out of business and see no investment in farms below the €1 million valuation mark. Then it will be open for the huge foreign owned (Chinese mostly) factory farms to come in buy up all the land and through huge economies of scale be able to afford this tax.
What will happen to the older generation who purchased their houses 20 to 30 years ago? They will be in established mature estates/neighbourhoods which will be more attractive than living on the ghost estates that litter the country. The value of houses will increase and maybe in a couple of years be valued at this threshold and thus be subject to the tax.
Value does not equal cash flow – have we not learnt anything from our recent past?

golfball37 · 15-02-2011 12:26PM

Gypsies wrote: »

What worries me is the amount of people in this country who seem to have chosen to forget what happened to Mrs Janet McConville, a woman whose only crime was to show some decency & kindness towards a man in his dying moments. The Herald ran an article yesterday, reminding us all that Gerry Adams gave direct orders for that innocent mother of 10 to be murdered. I am very nervous to be living in a country where such an atrocity can be forgotten & forgiven by so many people and those same people are now voting for the man who gave these orders, to lead our country. I wonder what the family of Janet McConville must think of all this.

If you were serious about this you'd have the decency to get her name right at least.

KELTICKNIGHTT · 15-02-2011 12:27PM

danbohan wrote: »

ogh dear , blueshirts are bit peevish this morning , could it be the sight of kenny looking like a rabbit in the headlights any time gilmore looked at him , poor enda , he really could do without this debate nonsense .speaking of bottomless sack of money any idea where this 5 billion is that fine gael has mislaid ?

that was not a debate last night , it was 5 stooges similarly dressed been interviewed by a chief stooge pretending they were sharing the peoples pain , bs

i see sf boyos are outa bed,maybe they should tell gerry the vat rate down here is as he doesnt seem too know

Wolfe Tone · 15-02-2011 12:27PM

Gypsies wrote: »

What worries me is the amount of people in this country who seem to have chosen to forget what happened to Mrs Janet McConville, a woman whose only crime was to show some decency & kindness towards a man in his dying moments. The Herald ran an article yesterday, reminding us all that Gerry Adams gave direct orders for that innocent mother of 10 to be murdered. I am very nervous to be living in a country where such an atrocity can be forgotten & forgiven by so many people and those same people are now voting for the man who gave these orders, to lead our country. I wonder what the family of Janet McConville must think of all this.

You forgot some major points there, what evidence do you have for her "helping a dieing soldier"? Or evidence of Adams having ordered it? Brendan Hughes? He makes the claims against Adams and also claims that she was a British agent twice discovered with a radio transmitter. Why would you not mention that, and put the unfortunate event into its full context?

golfball37 · 15-02-2011 12:29PM

LK_Dave wrote: »

I fear that a vote for SF will see an end to Irish family farms and usher in foreign owned factory farms. SF’s plan is to place a wealth tax of 1% on all assets valued at €1 million and above. Let’s say a family farm was milking 60 cows on a hundred acres – that would in my opinion value that farm at or above €1 million. That family enterprise would have to pay out another €10,000 on taxes. There is no way they can afford this and will result in farmers going out of business and see no investment in farms below the €1 million valuation mark. Then it will be open for the huge foreign owned (Chinese mostly) factory farms to come in buy up all the land and through huge economies of scale be able to afford this tax.
What will happen to the older generation who purchased their houses 20 to 30 years ago? They will be in established mature estates/neighbourhoods which will be more attractive than living on the ghost estates that litter the country. The value of houses will increase and maybe in a couple of years be valued at this threshold and thus be subject to the tax.
Value does not equal cash flow – have we not learnt anything from our recent past?

Family farms do not come under SF's wealth tax proposal.

solutionsolver · 15-02-2011 12:29PM

I have to look to Boyd Barrett and I do believe he'll get in this time .
Couple of good videos that came my way. If you believe in what is being said them pass them on is the message I got so here goes :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vocztMXYMuc and http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7-cLDKl8XhI

KELTICKNIGHTT · 15-02-2011 12:30PM

Wolfe Tone wrote: »

You forgot some major points there, what evidence do you have for her "helping a dieing soldier"? Or evidence of Adams having ordered it? Brendan Hughes? He makes the claims against Adams and also claims that she was a British agent twice discovered with a radio transmitter. Why would you not mention that, and put the unfortunate event into its full context?

google it for yourself

Elmer Blooker · 15-02-2011 12:30PM

PauloMN wrote: »

I totally agree with you. I'm very uncomfortable with SF in power here, aside from the fact that their economic "policies" have nothing bar comedic value.

SF are not in power here and wont be after the GE.
As for their economic policies - it mustn't be forgotten that the previous Government's only economic policy was to hand over the country to the highest bidders - in other words, a bunch of of cowboys and land speculators.
On the subject of comedic value - can anything better Bertiebowl's
"I wish someone told what was going on in the banks in this country"

mouse242 · 15-02-2011 12:30PM

Most definitely not.

LK_Dave · 15-02-2011 12:33PM

golfball37 wrote: »

Family farms do not come under SF's wealth tax proposal.

yes they do, adams himself confirmed it in the past week

Wolfe Tone · 15-02-2011 12:36PM

KELTICKNIGHTT wrote: »

google it for yourself

I want him to back up his claims, a request which is not unreasonable. Im curious as to where the poster got this info from, or indeed(I didnt read) the Herald did. If the source about Adams ordering it is indeed Brendan Hughes, I would like to know why the poster made no mention of him also claiming that she was a British informer(paid) twice caught, and let off with a warning the first time and instead claimed she was killed for helping a soldier. Of course if you dont believe Hughes on this count, how can you claim to believe his claims about Adams? Its not as if he and Adams where best pals.

Im genuinely curious here. Please explain.

Pete_Cavan · 15-02-2011 12:37PM

danbohan wrote: »

ogh dear , blueshirts are bit peevish this morning , could it be the sight of kenny looking like a rabbit in the headlights any time gilmore looked at him , poor enda , he really could do without this debate nonsense .speaking of bottomless sack of money any idea where this 5 billion is that fine gael has mislaid ?

that was not a debate last night , it was 5 stooges similarly dressed been interviewed by a chief stooge pretending they were sharing the peoples pain , bs

FG are not missing €5bn, their policy involves mainly cuts which reduces the amount the government has to spend. They also want to sell off some state owned assets which will raise money. So with FGs plan the government spends less than what any of the other parties are proposing but also have an additional income which other parties do not. FGs books are more balanced than the other parties.

Maybe you can now tell us where the money will come from to pay for the budget deficit for the next six years (€50bn) and fund a €7bn stimulus package while also reversing all cuts and scrapping incomes like the USC? SF say the wealth tax will raise about a billion so only another ~€55bn to go. How they going to fill that hole without IMF, ECB or bond markets?

KELTICKNIGHTT · 15-02-2011 12:43PM

Wolfe Tone wrote: »

I want him to back up his claims, a request which is not unreasonable. Im curious as to where the poster got this info from, or indeed(I didnt read) the Herald did. If the source about Adams ordering it is indeed Brendan Hughes, I would like to know why the poster made no mention of him also claiming that she was a British informer(paid) twice caught, and let off with a warning the first time and instead claimed she was killed for helping a soldier. Of course if you dont believe Hughes on this count, how can you claim to believe his claims about Adams? Its not as if he and Adams where best pals.

Im genuinely curious here. Please explain.

i believe nothing that gerry ads says,doesnt that make it right for her too be killed,gerry adams was a leader in ira,are you trying too say he didnt know or know what was going on

KELTICKNIGHTT · 15-02-2011 12:45PM

Pete_Cavan wrote: »

FG are not missing €5bn, their policy involves mainly cuts which reduces the amount the government has to spend. They also want to sell off some state owned assets which will raise money. So with FGs plan the government spends less than what any of the other parties are proposing but also have an additional income which other parties do not. FGs books are more balanced than the other parties.

Maybe you can now tell us where the money will come from to pay for the budget deficit for the next six years (€50bn) and fund a €7bn stimulus package while also reversing all cuts and scrapping incomes like the USC? SF say the wealth tax will raise about a billion so only another ~€55bn to go. How they going to fill that hole without IMF, ECB or bond markets?

gerry ads was asked this last nite,as other time no clear answer as normal just normal bull ,and again he was talking about the pension fund ,thats sf only answer too everything it seems

Wolfe Tone · 15-02-2011 12:48PM

KELTICKNIGHTT wrote: »

i believe nothing that gerry ads says,doesnt that make it right for her too be killed,gerry adams was a leader in ira,are you trying too say he didnt know or know what was going on

I didnt say anything like that, I am simply asking for sources and questioning why certain facts where ommitted(facts which I believe come from the same source). If you dont believe that source to be accurate on that count how can you believe his claims about Adams?

KELTICKNIGHTT · 15-02-2011 12:49PM

Wolfe Tone wrote: »

I didnt say anything like that, I am simply asking for sources and questioning why certain facts where ommitted(facts which I believe come from the same source). If you dont believe that source to be accurate on that count how can you believe his claims about Adams?

was Gerry Adams in IRA at time ,was sf political party for IRA at the time
yes or no

danbohan · 15-02-2011 12:53PM

Pete_Cavan wrote: »

FG are not missing €5bn, their policy involves mainly cuts which reduces the amount the government has to spend. They also want to sell off some state owned assets which will raise money. So with FGs plan the government spends less than what any of the other parties are proposing but also have an additional income which other parties do not. FGs books are more balanced than the other parties.

Maybe you can now tell us where the money will come from to pay for the budget deficit for the next six years (€50bn) and fund a €7bn stimulus package while also reversing all cuts and scrapping incomes like the USC? SF say the wealth tax will raise about a billion so only another ~€55bn to go. How they going to fill that hole without IMF, ECB or bond markets?

ok , i am not a believer in sinn feins economic plan in any form , i am also not a believer in any of the spin /bs been offered by the other party's either

let me ask you

do you believe you have been told the full truth in this election campaign by fine gael ?
do you believe mr kenny and or mr gilmore wont come out a few weeks after the election and say things like we were mis led or things are worse than we feared
do you think they will be ,a create employment , b , stop emigration , c not increase income taxes and other taxes in next 5 years ?

bergkamp10 · 15-02-2011 12:57PM

danbohan wrote: »

ogh dear , blueshirts are bit peevish this morning , could it be the sight of kenny looking like a rabbit in the headlights any time gilmore looked at him , poor enda , he really could do without this debate nonsense .speaking of bottomless sack of money any idea where this 5 billion is that fine gael has mislaid ?

that was not a debate last night , it was 5 stooges similarly dressed been interviewed by a chief stooge pretending they were sharing the peoples pain , bs

that would be FOUR stooges similarly (identically?) dressed. Clearly john gormless didn't get the memo. Or else he was just bein a rebel.

danbohan · 15-02-2011 01:02PM

bergkamp10 wrote: »

that would be FOUR stooges similarly (identically?) dressed. Clearly john gormless didn't get the memo. Or else he was just bein a rebel.

you know gormless was a impressive last night if a bit ropey as usual , which says all that needs to be said about Ireland and its political leaders

anyone here going to vote sinn féin?

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