anyone here going to vote sinn féin?

johnmcdnl

the_syco wrote: »

Nor are pizza delivery people. They still get shot, though.

wasn't that a RIRA attack - who happen to be completely opposed to Gerry Adams and SF in it's current state...

bergkamp10

KELTICKNIGHTT wrote: »

bergkamp10 wrote: »

AS they say,,,,,certain types will vote sf,,,,,,,:D

oi sonny, who are you calling certain types? Me? Care to elaborate on what type i am? I thought one of the charter fundamental rules was attack the post not the poster. You'd wanna watch out for those moderators. though you seem to like yellow/red cards my non-statistic using young fellow

paul71

phantom_lord wrote: »

Citation needed plz. I take it you're more of a fan of SF magic maths where they manage to fix the deficeit with no cuts and no tax increases other than for people on 100k and while removing the USC?

No SF member or voter will provide Citation phantom_lord. The magic in SFs economic policy is that they themselves know it is pure fantasy, it is a stratagy to win easy votes from people incapable of reasoned thought ie. former FF voters.

They are fully aware they will not be voted into power so their magic numbers will not be tested and in the eyes of simpletons who vote for them they will be proved right by the necessary pain that we must face in the coming decade.

wee truck big driver

Gypsies wrote: »

Fair play to the paper for running the article. They are stating what has been known for years. Sadly, too many people are in denial of the fact. Janet McConville could have been anybody's mother.

only if their mother was a paid informer

SafeSurfer

crooked, which is what i was being,

Agreed

SafeSurfer

wee truck big driver wrote: »

only if their mother was a paid informer

So what? Gerry Adam's father was a paedophile. Its hardly relevent.

Dubol

cornerboy wrote: »

I wouldnt be motivated by cash either if I was backed by the Northern Bank.

Before I decided to vote for SF I checked all the parties. FF Anglo Irish Bank. IMF. Bertie the Bookie etc. FG too right wing and want to abolish the HSE. LP dictated to by the unions. GP did nothing about the bankrupt country until it was too late. SF helped the civil rights movement and gave the minority a vote. Won many admirers from both sides of the water for their skill in their handling of the Good Friday Agreement. Everyone has a choice and nobody is squeeky clean.

bergkamp10

SafeSurfer wrote: »

Agreed

cool.

bergkamp10

SafeSurfer wrote: »

Agreed

cool. Ta.

phantom_lord

Dubol wrote: »

FG too right wing and want to abolish the HSE.

FG aren't very right wing at all. And are you listing abolishing the HSE as a bad thing?

paul71

Dubol wrote: »

Before I decided to vote for SF I checked all the parties. FF Anglo Irish Bank. IMF. Bertie the Bookie etc. FG too right wing and want to abolish the HSE. LP dictated to by the unions. GP did nothing about the bankrupt country until it was too late. SF helped the civil rights movement and gave the minority a vote. Won many admirers from both sides of the water for their skill in their handling of the Good Friday Agreement. Everyone has a choice and nobody is squeeky clean.

So you have decided to vote SF, can you please explain how we maintain public spending at 2010 levels, drop the USC, finance a €40,000,000,000 spending gap while refusing to take EU and IMF loans.

Because Gerry cant.

GFJD

phantom_lord wrote: »

Citation needed plz. I take it you're more of a fan of SF magic maths where they manage to fix the deficeit with no cuts and no tax increases other than for people on 100k and while removing the USC?

Firstly by not doing what finegael blueshirts and fianna fail will do in pumping another 29billion into anglo irish just to let it wind down.

theres 29billion for ya.
cap all government paid jobs to 100k. lead by example. enda , the phantom farter , needs capped too , when he does get into power in a few weeks. which he will blow his chance and the party will run for cover begging bruton to take charge.
thrash out a better deal in europe and saves hundreds of millions a week.

the money that will be saved from wasteing on bankls should be m,ade exclsively available to businesses with records to get cashflow and get this country back to its feet through our own economy and export driven market running hand in hand with emphasis given to all citizens and not just the ones earning over 100k.

i didnt here any responses from any leaders in relation to Mr.Adams proposal on capping td's salaries. They werent too quick to respond.

What about you Phantom?

phantom_lord

GFJD wrote: »

Firstly by not doing what finegael blueshirts and fianna fail will do in pumping another 29billion into anglo irish just to let it wind down.

Uh huh, so you fell for Gerrys nonsense the other night? Do you not realise that even without the money going into the banks the country is running a huge deficit?

GFJD wrote: »

cap all government paid jobs to 100k. lead by example. enda , the phantom farter , needs capped too , when he does get into power in a few weeks. which he will blow his chance and the party will run for cover begging bruton to take charge.
thrash out a better deal in europe and saves hundreds of millions a week.

That's nice and all but it's chump change.

phantom_lord

paul71 wrote: »

So you have decided to vote SF, can you please explain how we maintain public spending at 2010 levels, drop the USC, finance a €40,000,000,000 spending gap while refusing to take EU and IMF loans.

Because Gerry cant.

By not putting one red cent into those toxic banks! not one red cent!

Doesn't matter that's not possible and that's not the question that was asked, or that it wont solve the problem. What matters is that SF supporters are dense enough to satisfied by it.

paul71

GFJD wrote: »

Firstly by not doing what finegael blueshirts and fianna fail will do in pumping another 29billion into anglo irish just to let it wind down.

theres 29billion for ya.
cap all government paid jobs to 100k. lead by example. enda , the phantom farter , needs capped too , when he does get into power in a few weeks. which he will blow his chance and the party will run for cover begging bruton to take charge.
thrash out a better deal in europe and saves hundreds of millions a week.

the money that will be saved from wasteing on bankls should be m,ade exclsively available to businesses with records to get cashflow and get this country back to its feet through our own economy and export driven market running hand in hand with emphasis given to all citizens and not just the ones earning over 100k.

i didnt here any responses from any leaders in relation to Mr.Adams proposal on capping td's salaries. They werent too quick to respond.

What about you Phantom?

You mean 29 billion we are borrowing, since SF are telling IMF to F off it is not money saved it is money not borrowed so we wont have it to spend. Typical SF same money counted twice, and since we are allowing the banks to fail can you explain the mechanism SF use to actually pay salaries to government employees and social welfare recipients as no-one will have a bank account?

KIERAN1

Sinn Féin economic policies are not likened by the the main political parties. Mainly due to the fact, their economic policies in essence do care more about the rights of the ordinary Irish citizen, than protecting until ad-nauseum Irish banks and Europeans banks, which have done nothing since 2008, but show a complete lack of respect for every Irish Citizen in this country.

Our economic woes, will not be fixed by the FG party, like somehow in this bizarre universe we live in, by Sinn Fein claiming we should not burden the Irish Taxpayer with repaying large "Private" debts belonging to people that in large part do not even live in this country, that this would be viewed by the main political parties in Ireland like/ FF and FG and Labour as fantasy policies, well is very funny at least to me, the fact is Sinn Fein were not in office during this financial mess that started in 2008 and probably much further back then that, FF were in fact holding power in 2010, and this state ran out of cash to fund itself for the future in 2010 on their watch, well that to me says alot about their economic knowledge and cleverness, when you cause the very country you've been representing to run out of cash to keep public services running!

Ireland is just a small piece in the bigger jigsaw puzzle, that would be Europe. The Euro currency is going to collapse it unavoidable, not a prediction as all, as economic situations do clearly show, that the debts of nations like Spain and Italy, and the unwillingness of France and Germany to bail them out, will cause the fall of the Euro. I only bring this to attention of people reading this, as the Euro crisis, and our Irish banking crisis are very much linked, as one of the reasons we even got bailed out in the first place was to protect the Euro from falling in 2010!

GFJD

phantom_lord wrote: »

Uh huh, so you fell for Gerrys nonsense the other night? Do you not realise that even without the money going into the banks the country is running a huge deficit?




That's nice and all but it's chump change.

The people around this country phantom who cant put bread on the table my friend would not look on that as chump change. you were the one who mentioned arithmetic. now to get the sums correct , every penny needs tidyed up . that means root and branch change with every penny accounted for and saved in every overpayed leech of the taxpayer.

Do you think the Germans would let the Euro fall before cracking and offering us a deal>?
They need be brought right to the edge. enda ' plankton' kenny aint gonna do that , and anyone who does think that , is in for a rude awakening.

phantom_lord

Also it's pretty laughable that SF are saying they'll get rid of the IMF or renegotiate the deal. Every country in the world borrows at the same rate from the IMF and it's about a third of the rate our bonds were trading at on the international market. It's the equivalent of turning down a bank loan and going around to the loan shark around the corner.

paul71

KIERAN1 wrote: »

Sinn Féin economic policies are not likened by the the main political parties. Mainly due to the fact, their economic policies in essence do care more about the rights of the ordinary Irish citizen, than protecting until ad-nauseum Irish banks and Europeans banks, which have done nothing since 2008, but show a complete lack of respect for every Irish Citizen in this country.

Our economic woes, will not be fixed by the FG party, like somehow in this bizarre universe we live in, by Sinn Fein claiming we should not burden the Irish Taxpayer with repaying large "Private" debts belonging to people that in large part do not even live in this country, that this would be viewed by the main political parties in Ireland like/ FF and FG and Labour as fantasy policies, well is very funny at least to me, the fact is Sinn Fein were not in office during this financial mess that started in 2008 and probably much further back then that, FF were in fact holding power in 2010, and this state ran out of cash to fund itself for the future in 2010 on their watch, well that to me says alot about their economic knowledge and cleverness, when you cause the very country you've been representing to run out of cash to keep public services running!

Ireland is just a small piece in the bigger jigsaw puzzle, that would be Europe. The Euro currency is going to collapse it unavoidable, not a prediction as all, as economic situations do clearly show, that the debts of nations like Spain and Italy, and the unwillingness of France and Germany to bail them out, will cause the fall of the Euro. I only bring this to attention of people reading this, as the Euro crisis, and our Irish banking crisis are very much linked, as one of the reasons we even got bailed out in the first place was to protect the Euro from falling in 2010!

How do econimic policies that stop the supply of money in an economy completly care for Irish citizens. No banks no wages, nonsense.

phantom_lord

GFJD wrote: »

The people around this country phantom who cant put bread on the table my friend would not look on that as chump change. you were the one who mentioned arithmetic. now to get the sums correct , every penny needs tidyed up . that means root and branch change with every penny accounted for and saved in every overpayed leech of the taxpayer.

You're missing the point. SF are telling bare faced lies about what they would do with the country's finances and you're falling for them.

Dubol

phantom_lord wrote: »

FG aren't very right wing at all. And are you listing abolishing the HSE as a bad thing?

The alternative to the HSE is going to cost more than to restructure it and the proposed system has been tried by other countries and failed. I lived in Canada and worked in a hospital/daycare centre/hospice. Their system works for everyone. Very well managed without much interferance from politicians. Many people are talking about it but our politicians are not listening. In house meetings are held with representations from all the different departments and representatives from the general public attend. I was involved in management and it was a pleasure to be part of a team

cursai

I'm mad at the world and have no grasp of how poilitics work so.....i'm going to vote Sinn Fein!

paul71

Dubol wrote: »

The alternative to the HSE is going to cost more than to restructure it and the proposed system has been tried by other countries and failed. I lived in Canada and worked in a hospital/daycare centre/hospice. Their system works for everyone. Very well managed without much interferance from politicians. Many people are talking about it but our politicians are not listening. In house meetings are held with representations from all the different departments and representatives from the general public attend. I was involved in management and it was a pleasure to be part of a team

The system may have worked in Canada, and I am sure the fact that staff were paid at the end of each week helped.
How will we run the HSE in Ireland when SF have turned down the money from the IMF, all our banks are closed and hospital staff are not paid?

SafeSurfer

Dubol wrote: »

Before I decided to vote for SF I checked all the parties. FF Anglo Irish Bank. IMF. Bertie the Bookie etc. FG too right wing and want to abolish the HSE. LP dictated to by the unions. GP did nothing about the bankrupt country until it was too late. SF helped the civil rights movement and gave the minority a vote. Won many admirers from both sides of the water for their skill in their handling of the Good Friday Agreement. Everyone has a choice and nobody is squeeky clean.

And you were completely impartial before you "checked out all the parties"

joey101

doesnt matter sf will have no say in next government thats not saying they could not be any worse than the muppets that ran the country for the last 14 years or so as far as i concerned they are all the same filling their own pockets and laughing at the ordinary joe that pays their taxes to prop up their insolvent banks i say burn the senior bondholders they knew the risks and stood to make big money as they have done down the years

KIERAN1

paul71 wrote: »

How do econimic policies that stop the supply of money in an economy completly care for Irish citizens. No banks no wages, nonsense.

There is no money in Ireland to keep up with these debts. If you believe this can continue, then you are solely mistaken. Banking debt is private debt in the main, we borrowed in large part to pay this debt. Do we have democracy in this country which I support or do we continue supporting this version of fascism capitalism!

colly10

GFJD wrote: »

The people around this country phantom who cant put bread on the table my friend would not look on that as chump change. you were the one who mentioned arithmetic. now to get the sums correct , every penny needs tidyed up . that means root and branch change with every penny accounted for and saved in every overpayed leech of the taxpayer.

So there sorting the small issues (like a cut for ministers) and ignoring the big ones (like where were going to get money to pay for the public service when were not cutting it, reversing the USC? - By adding a bit of tax to the wealthy).

Ok then, are the EU or the bond markets just going to give us a load of money to keep paying our public service even though we won't pay it back, if not, how will we raise this money?

Chucky the tree

1,378 posts in and still not one Sinn Fein supporter can explain there economic policies, laughable how people are willing to vote for them.

paul71

KIERAN1 wrote: »

There is no money in Ireland to keep up with these debts. If you believe this can continue, then you are solely mistaken. Banking debt is private debt in the main, we borrowed in large part to pay this debt. Do we have democracy in this country which I support or do we continue supporting this version of fascism capitalism!

Do you really think that the debt was created by the banks, this was money borrowed by our banks who lent to people to buy houses and vast amounts flowed into the state coffers in the form of VAT, PAYE from the receipts of money on these sales. The state spent this money on a bloated civil service.

Now SF wants to maintain that civil service without the tax reciepts from a false boom, refuse to recognise that banks are needed, introduce extra taxes to punish the remaining sector of the economy that works?

Please answer the question, how do we pay Government salaries when no-one in the country has a bank account, the government has no cash and the governement is refusing to take money from the one source open to us?

Wolfe Tone

cursai wrote: »

I'm mad at the world and have no grasp of how poilitics work so.....i'm going to vote Sinn Fein!

Oh we know how politics works all right, the great thing about it is that we can vote for who we want to, no matter what others will try to say, or how they try to label us.