anyone here going to vote sinn féin?

Indestructable

I will be. I like their hard stance on Europe.

SafeSurfer

danbohan wrote: »

except most peoples mothers are not british spys

Links? Proof?

Most people's drivers were not British spies, so what should they be disappeared too?

Wolfe Tone

SafeSurfer wrote: »

Links? Proof?

Most people's drivers were not British spies, so what should they be disappeared too?

Proof that Gerry ordered it, as far as I can see both claims come from the same source.

SafeSurfer

bergkamp10 wrote: »

indeed, my fellow drog-ledyte. May i indulge for a moment, if i was to be equally disengenuous, couldn't we in an equally 2+2=almost5 way argue that the Queen ordered the murder of, or at least approved the murders of 13 (forgive me if that number is wrong feel free to correct) innocent ordinary people and a priest in derry one sunday morning. For certain, Did she not personally pin medals on the soldiers responsible for the atrocity, who pretended they shot at IRA activists when the whole world could see they opened fire on a peaceful local march, attended by nationalists, loyalists, mothers with buggies, workers, clergy, organised by a derry local councillor? In fact, one could argue that the IRA could have awarded the queen a medal of their own for doubling their ranks in derry overnight

True but the Queen isn't running for a seat in Dail Eireann.

Cool Beans

SF's economic policies are non-existant, there not realistic and their simply appealing to a populist vote with their "No to IMF" and "burn the bondholders" stance...if that were to happen their would be a run-on-the banks in no time, and all that money you saved in your piggy bank will be gonzo!!! Just not feasible.

In saying that, SF offer other advantages apart from thier failed economic policies (such as provisions on the Irish lang and general republican values) and can also mobilise a key anti-system vote (i.e SF had a hand in most protests outside the Dail in recent times). So with the tough policies the next govt will inevitable have to undertake, me thinks its better to have them inside the tent pissing out than outside the tent pissing in!!! Here's hoping for a Labour-Green-SF-Socialist-Independants left-wing Aliiance...u can only dream :P

SafeSurfer

Wolfe Tone wrote: »

Proof that Gerry ordered it, as far as I can see both claims come from the same source.

So if one is to believe that J. Mc Conville was a British spy one must also accept that as Brendan Hughes claims, Adams was the person giving orders to the group tasked with disappearing collaborators, informants, IRA members who stole weapons or disobeyed orders etc?

The disappeared include Brian Mc Kinney, John Mc Clory and Danny McIllhone, who were killed in 1978 because they used IRA weapons in a robbery.
Fast forward 30 years to the release from prison of O'Neil, Sheehy, Walshe and Mc Cauley for the same offence, during which a gaurd was killed and a Sinn Fein TD picks them up from prison.
How standards have slipped.

Wolfe Tone

SafeSurfer wrote: »

So if one is to believe that J. Mc Conville was a British spy one must also accept that as Brendan Hughes claims, Adams was the person giving orders to the group tasked with disappearing collaborators, informants, IRA members who stole weapons or disobeyed orders etc?

The disappeared include Brian Mc Kinney, John Mc Clory and Danny McIllhone, who were killed in 1978 because they used IRA weapons in a robbery.
Fast forward 30 years to the release from prison of O'Neil, Sheehy, Walshe and Mc Cauley for the same offence, during which a gaurd was killed and a Sinn Fein TD picks them up from prison.
How standards have slipped.

Pretty much, yes. What do you believe?

SafeSurfer

Wolfe Tone wrote: »

Pretty much, yes. What do you believe?

I believe its hypocrisy.

the_syco

GFJD wrote: »

Jaysus , were gonna be an even bigger laughing stock than we already are with Enda Kenny as Taoiseach.

Can't be as big a laughing stock as when Gerry finds it's not so easy to run a country, when two other countries are no longer bankrolling you.

danbohan wrote: »

except most peoples mothers are not british spys

Nor are pizza delivery people. They still get shot, though.

Wolfe Tone

SafeSurfer wrote: »

I believe its hypocrisy.

What is hypocrisy? You either believe Hughes or you dont

SafeSurfer

the_syco wrote: »

Can't be as big a laughing stock as when Gerry finds it's not so easy to run a country, when two other countries are no longer bankrolling you.


Nor are pizza delivery people. They still get shot, though.

I think you will find Gerry Adams condemned that attack and no informed person would argue that those killings have anything to do with Gerry Adams or Sinn Fein.

bergkamp10

SafeSurfer wrote: »

True but the Queen isn't running for a seat in Dail Eireann.

suggest you go back, thoroughly re read and examine the context of my post and also consider that it is a reply to wolfe tone post no 1297 which in turn is a reply to kelticknightt post on 1288. Once you have read the three posts and the previous posts leading up to them, you will spot that the crucial subject matter in my post is not 'queen' !!! its 'disingenuous', ie designed, adroit, crooked, which is what i was being. Lets keep the context of my post exactly what it was, in context. Theres a good fellow.

droicead

sorry if this is in the wrong area,im living abroad and was watching the latest frontline show on rte realplayer..is it true that the taoiseach
gets paid more than the president of the u.s.???????

Wolfe Tone

droicead wrote: »

sorry if this is in the wrong area,im living abroad and was watching the latest frontline show on rte realplayer..is it true that the taoiseach
gets paid more than the president of the u.s.???????

Yes. Obscene. SF of course only take home the industrial wage.

bergkamp10

SafeSurfer wrote: »

True but the Queen isn't running for a seat in Dail Eireann.

never ever suggested for a moment she was!!??? I suggest you go back, thoroughly re read (and examine the context of) my post, ok, and also consider that it is a reply to wolfe tone post no 1297 which in turn is a reply to kelticknightt post on 1288. Once you have read the three posts and the previous posts leading up to them,if you wish, for further context, you will spot that the crucial subject matter in my post is not 'queen' !!! its 'disingenuous', ie designed, adroit, crooked, which is what i was being, its called illustrating a point, thereby backing up the points raised by wolfe tone in afore mentioned post 1297 and previous. Lets keep the context of my post exactly what it was, in context. Theres a good fellow.

droicead

and no other politican saw it fit to question this daylight robbery?
is it right to be paid more than obama?
and why was kenny set up on the middle podium waving his hand
like the great emperor of rome?

looked like a joke,especially when there was no takers on adams when
he said t.d.s and ministers should have capped salaries

Wolfe Tone

droicead wrote: »

and no other politican saw it fit to question this daylight robbery?
is it right to be paid more than obama?
and why was kenny set up on the middle podium waving his hand
like the great emperor of rome?

looked like a joke,especially when there was no takers on adams when
he said t.d.s and ministers should have capped salaries

Thats because they want to be the next on the gravy train, SF are not motivated by cash, certainly not Adams

droicead

it smells of a load of horses*$t

pat kenny and rte should be ashamed

i hope adams gets elected

Dubol

droicead wrote: »

it smells of a load of horses*$t

pat kenny and rte should be ashamed

i hope adams gets elected

I am voting for SF for the first time. My other preferences will be decided on the day.

Wolfe Tone

Dubol wrote: »

I am voting for SF for the first time. My other preferences will be decided on the day.

Dont forget you can leave it blank and just have the one preference

bergkamp10

droicead wrote: »

it smells of a load of horses*$t

pat kenny and rte should be ashamed

i hope adams gets elected

adams seat is a shoo- in, he's taking over the nailed on seat from retiring arthur morgan.

GFJD

In a room were the negotiations of a proper deal for Ireland is taking place which of the five men would you want thrashing out a deal?

i know who id want. Adams and possibly Gilmore beside him.
Bring the Germans do the brink , then get a deal on our terms.
That aint gonna happen with Kenny walking in all embarrassed looking. The first thing there gonna say is...Mr .Kenny , are you ok? You look like you just fell off your tricycle.

droicead

yeah just one preference

the rest dont deserve consideration

thats just my opinion

phantom_lord

GFJD wrote: »

In a room were the negotiations of a proper deal for Ireland is taking place which of the five men would you want thrashing out a deal?

i know who id want. Adams and possibly Gilmore beside him.

I think I'd prefer someone who had an iota of an idea of what they're talking about and at least a basic grasp of simple arithmetic. Which pretty much rules out either of them.

KELTICKNIGHTT

bergkamp10 wrote: »

KELTICKNIGHTT wrote: »

i dont know if gerry adams did or not,but im sure some research
would show either way ##..... hmmm, 'dont know',... 'some' research,... Gerry... is that you??? (ps , sf is my number one vote because it suits me and my kids locally)

AS they say,,,,,certain types will vote sf,,,,,,,:D

eagle eye

phantom_lord wrote: »

I think I'd prefer someone who had an iota of an idea of what they're talking about and at least a basic grasp of simple arithmetic. Which pretty much rules out either of them.

I don't think you are being fair to Gilmore here.

As far as Sinn Fein go, they had a chance to move forward as a party in this country. Allowing Gerry Adams to run as a candidate is a big mistake because he is a clear link to the ugly past that most people want nothing to do with.

cornerboy

Wolfe Tone wrote: »

Thats because they want to be the next on the gravy train, SF are not motivated by cash, certainly not Adams

I wouldnt be motivated by cash either if I was backed by the Northern Bank.

GFJD

phantom_lord wrote: »

I think I'd prefer someone who had an iota of an idea of what they're talking about and at least a basic grasp of simple arithmetic. Which pretty much rules out either of them.

the irony of it. look at the history of fine gael and their 'arithmetic' leading us into recessions and wearyness in the past , and fianna fails world class arithmetic over the last 10 years in making deals.
that doesnt add up either does it.
fine gaels arithmetic in reducing rates does add up however. they give with one hand and take away with hidden taxes in the other. no difference from fianna fail except just a worse bunch of numpties at the helm.

gerry, eamon , enter.

the biggest mistake labour made was agreeing to go into power with fine gael. they should have left the blueshirts on their own.

phantom_lord

Do SF not take huge amounts of very murky looking expenses?

phantom_lord

GFJD wrote: »

the irony of it. look at the history of fine gael and their 'arithmetic' leading us into recessions and wearyness in the past , and fianna fails world class arithmetic over the last 10 years in making deals.
that doesnt add up either does it.
fine gaels arithmetic in reducing rates does add up however. they give with one hand and take away with hidden taxes in the other. no difference from fianna fail except just a worse bunch of numpties at the helm.

gerry, eamon , enter.

the biggest mistake labour made was agreeing to go into power with fine gael. they should have left the blueshirts on their own.

Citation needed plz. I take it you're more of a fan of SF magic maths where they manage to fix the deficeit with no cuts and no tax increases other than for people on 100k and while removing the USC?