Why the disregard of Sinn Féin?

wee truck big driver · 24-01-2011 10:44PM

sligopark wrote: »

any idea where one might obtain this said 'Green Book' ?

join the r.i.r.a

sligopark · 24-01-2011 10:46PM

wee truck big driver wrote: »

join the r.i.r.a

They have a rule book of principles outlining how not to be a criminal?

wee truck big driver wrote: »

principle dont win wars especially when the enemy lacks any its also abit sickening to keep hearing about gerry mc cabe what an insult to all the other people killed in the last 40 years

Gerry McCabe was murdered in a robbery commited by Prov. IRA members - how was this to assit a united Ireland?

guinnessdrinker · 24-01-2011 10:52PM

sligopark wrote: »

any idea where one might obtain this said 'Green Book' ?

From memory, I think the Green Book is printed as an appendix to Brendan O' Brien's book, The Long War. Years since I read it so could be mistaken.

Liam Byrne · 24-01-2011 10:52PM

wee truck big driver wrote: »

principle dont win wars especially when the enemy lacks any its also abit sickening to keep hearing about gerry mc cabe what an insult to all the other people killed in the last 40 years

Gerry McCabe comes up for a number of reasons.

Firstly, because it was in this state.
Secondly, because it was - supposedly - post-ceasefire
Thirdly, because it shows that some SF members have no regard for the laws of a country they supposedly want to "join"
Fourthly, because collecting those involved from prison was a very recent cock-up by SF
Finally, because SF tried to get those involved released under the GFA, even though it would have meant that they'd broken the ceasefire, and engaged in even more double-standards in trying to imply later that they hadn't broken it

I mean absolutely no disrespect to anyone else murdered by terrorists, but we were asked to vote in the interests of the island to overlook all of the prior atrocities and release those involved; in the interests of the country, and to prevent any further murders of innocents, I did just that.

Bottle_of_Smoke · 24-01-2011 10:54PM

sligopark wrote: »

any idea where one might obtain this said 'Green Book' ?

There's a book called 'The IRA' by Tim Pat Coogan its included in. Part of it is here

http://www.irishrepublican.net/forum/showthread.php?18482-The-IRA-s-Green-Book

mickdw · 24-01-2011 10:56PM

And to hear g adams refuse to condemn Gerry McCabes killers/killing when confronted by his wife was just sickening. I wouldnt vote for them under any circumstances

Fitzerb · 24-01-2011 10:58PM

sligopark wrote: »

They have a rule book of principles outlining how not to be a criminal?

Gerry McCabe was murdered in a robbery commited by Prov. IRA members - how was this to assit a united Ireland?

It wasnt. In my view at that stage it was every man for himself to gain as much as they could before the end of the troubles. I view the northern bank raid as the money to pay redundancy to the IRA.

As bad as FF are / were and all the f ups made it will be a disaster for this Country if SF have a strong election. The message it will send accross Europe is that we support murderers SF will grow over the coming years but for too many people the memory is still raw and Europe is aware of that too. It would be like the Nazi party winning an election in Germany, think how we would view that in Ireland.

sligopark · 24-01-2011 10:59PM

mickdw wrote: »

And to hear g adams refuse to condemn Gerry McCabes killers/killing when confronted by his wife was just sickening. I wouldnt vote for them under any circumstances

that said not as bad as actually ordering him shot and buried on a beach - unless he actually authorised this robbery and murder too?

LordSutch · 24-01-2011 11:02PM

Here we are in the politics forum mostly talking about a terrorist organisation, (the PIRA). No wonder most peoples disregard of Sinn Fein.

sligopark · 24-01-2011 11:02PM

Fitzerb wrote: »

I view the northern bank raid as the money to pay redundancy to the IRA.

It was. And why the loyalist volunteers were so up in arms (so to speak).

'where's our money - we were working for you and to maintain the British Union'

Fitzerb · 24-01-2011 11:03PM

sligopark wrote: »

tjhat said not as bad as actually ordering hi shot and buried on a beach - unless he actually authorised this robbery and murder too?

I dont believe Admas knew about the bank raid before it happened. A golden rule for the IRA was they acted in "cells" A group of 8-10 who told no-one what the planned operations were.

sligopark · 24-01-2011 11:07PM

Fitzerb wrote: »

I dont believe Admas knew about the bank raid before it happened. A golden rule for the IRA was they acted in "cells" A group of 8-10 who told no-one what the planned operations were.

believe me - this was the exception

Shea O'Meara · 24-01-2011 11:14PM

Fitzerb wrote: »

It wasnt. In my view at that stage it was every man for himself to gain as much as they could before the end of the troubles. I view the northern bank raid as the money to pay redundancy to the IRA.

Quite possible.

Fitzerb wrote: »

As bad as FF are / were and all the f ups made it will be a disaster for this Country if SF have a strong election.

Lets not re-write history just yet. FFail didn't mess up from their point of view. They knew what the choices where, took them and to this day stand by them. That is the problem with them, not that they f'ed up, but that they don't see they did. Also I believe there was a conscious effort to channel funds to pals and put other pals in nice cushy posts...not quite the northern bank raid but...

Fitzerb wrote: »

The message it will send accross Europe is that we support murderers SF will grow over the coming years but for too many people the memory is still raw and Europe is aware of that too. It would be like the Nazi party winning an election in Germany, think how we would view that in Ireland.

That's a little over the top. Anyway these people are finance driven. If Ireland begins to make money they won't care who's in charge. They all do business with China don't ya know? Not exactly liberal or democratic.

maccored · 24-01-2011 11:24PM

im still looking for the evidence to say the ira robbed the northern bank. hopefully one of you can point the way ..... something tangible that is, or real actual, honest to goodness proof. you'll have a hard time.

50,000 sterling, traced to the bank, though was found in an ruc locker room

"The Police Service of Northern Ireland (PSNI) recovered £50,000 in unused Northern banknotes at Newforge Country Club, a sports and social club in Belfast for off-duty and retired police officers"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northern_Bank_robbery

Anyone care to explain that one?

sligopark · 24-01-2011 11:31PM

maccored wrote: »

im still looking for the evidence to say the ira robbed the northern bank.

they didn't rob it - it was gifted. RUC no where to be seen in the city centre? How many runs does it take to physically loa dup £25 million?

maccored wrote: »

50,000 sterling, traced to the bank, though was found in an ruc locker room

"The Police Service of Northern Ireland (PSNI) recovered £50,000 in unused Northern banknotes at Newforge Country Club, a sports and social club in Belfast for off-duty and retired police officers"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northern_Bank_robbery

RUC man in pay of Prov.IRA - your point? That an RUC man may have been dishonest?

blahfckingblah · 24-01-2011 11:31PM

sligopark wrote: »

believe me - this was the exception

why should we just "believe" you?? were you involved or have you inside knowledge?

maccored · 24-01-2011 11:34PM

sligopark wrote: »

they didn't rob it - it was gifted. RUC no where to be seen in the city centre? How many runs does it take to physically loa dup £25 million?

Is this in your opinion, or is there proof of this (as in it was 'gifted'?)

RUC man in pay of Prov.IRA - your point? That an RUC man may have been dishonest?

You can look at it that way if you wish. doesnt really make much sense considering where it was found mind you. Plus, I thought the RUC were 'gifting' things. that would take more than one RUC member.

sligopark · 24-01-2011 11:36PM

blahfckingblah wrote: »

why should we just "believe" you?? were you involved or have you inside knowledge?

Blah - of course I wasn't involved or I would removed myself from my employment and have little time past sporting my leisure to come back to the reality of boards.ie

I unlike most on here lived up North during the troubles - it was more than a rumour and to remove physically that size of paper involved more that one three man cell and required a lot of laundering past the same.

Do you think a single Prov.IRA cell committed this robbery and it was not passed by army council given its occurrence post ceasefire?

MagicSean · 24-01-2011 11:37PM

maccored wrote: »

im still looking for the evidence to say the ira robbed the northern bank. hopefully one of you can point the way ..... something tangible that is, or real actual, honest to goodness proof. you'll have a hard time.

50,000 sterling, traced to the bank, though was found in an ruc locker room

"The Police Service of Northern Ireland (PSNI) recovered £50,000 in unused Northern banknotes at Newforge Country Club, a sports and social club in Belfast for off-duty and retired police officers"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northern_Bank_robbery

Anyone care to explain that one?

Evidence other than all the arrests made in the Republic of Ireland?

maccored · 24-01-2011 11:43PM

ira people where arrested and put in jail for the robbery? I must have missed that. chris ward, the guy in the bank, was charged - though he was released (he wasnt in the ira i assume) and a financial fella was found guilty of money laundering.

i still dont see your proof that the IRA robbed anything.

sligopark · 24-01-2011 11:43PM

maccored wrote: »

Is this in your opinion, or is there proof of this (as in it was 'gifted'?)

robbery occurred in the city centre - unlike Dublin in Leinster where you are located - if you knew Belfast and the City centre it is never left unpatrolled by the RUC/PSNI.

Suddenly it is not and a robbery requiring several returns to load up the van occurs and is not noticed or followed up depsite Automatic Number Plate readers placed all over the city.

Do you need proof or are you able to measure the lack of?

maccored wrote: »

You can look at it that way if you wish. doesnt really make much sense considering where it was found mind you. Plus, I thought the RUC were 'gifting' things. that would take more than one RUC member.

Ok then lets go with your theory that the RUC committed the robbery - please expand this for me please since I have never heard of this theory before.

Its a new one on me.

I wonder how Bertie had Gerry in the frame when it was the RUC all along?

blahfckingblah · 24-01-2011 11:45PM

sligopark wrote: »

Blah - of course I wasn't involved or I would removed myself from my employment and have little time past sporting my leisure to come back to the reality of boards.ie

I unlike most on here lived up North during the troubles - it was more than a rumour and to remove physically that size of paper involved more that one three man cell and required a lot of laundering past the same.

Do you think a single Prov.IRA cell committed this robbery and it was not passed by army council given its occurrence post ceasefire?

my reply was meant to be a light hearted response to your matter of fact tone. i dont know enough about the robbery to say who i think was and was not involved.

maccored · 24-01-2011 11:46PM

sligopark wrote: »

Blah - of course I wasn't involved or I would removed myself from my employment and have little time past sporting my leisure to come back to the reality of boards.ie

I unlike most on here lived up North during the troubles - it was more than a rumour and to remove physically that size of paper involved more that one three man cell and required a lot of laundering past the same.

Do you think a single Prov.IRA cell committed this robbery and it was not passed by army council given its occurrence post ceasefire?

I think it was organised by an undercover british associated gang of some form.

Think back - trimble, who refused to speak to SF, was under pressure to do just that. what happened, like a miricle, before he had to meet them? the bank was robbed! Amazing! Now David could avoid talking to SF again!

A bit fecken coincidental if you ask me. add in the 50 grand in the ruc gaff and it should make sense.

To clarify - it was a politically motivated robbery that - due to the severe lack of evidence to point to the ira - more than likely had nothig to do with republicans. Others had much more to gain (and thats not counting the money)

maccored · 24-01-2011 11:48PM

sligopark wrote: »

robbery occurred in the city centre - unlike Dublin in Leinster where you are located - if you knew Belfast and the City centre it is never left unpatrolled by the RUC/PSNI.

I was born and bred in the north. sorry to ruin your little dreamscape there.

Suddenly it is not and a robbery requiring several returns to load up the van occurs and is not noticed or followed up depsite Automatic Number Plate readers placed all over the city.

Do you need proof or are you able to measure the lack of?

what - that the IRA had invisible cars? Or that the RUC purposely werent looking? (they would have been busy robbing probably)

Ok then lets go with your theory that the RUC committed the robbery - please expand this for me please since I have never heard of this theory before.

Its a new one on me.

Youre the one talking about the RUC mysteriously not being about when the robbery happened - not me.

I wonder how Bertie had Gerry in the frame when it was the RUC all along?

Oh aye - bertie. Sure he was the image of honesty :rolleyes:

charlemont · 24-01-2011 11:56PM

mcwhirter wrote: »

If sinn fein get in then forget about ireland doing business with UK

Rubbish and you know it..

KeithAFC · 25-01-2011 12:21AM

charlemont wrote: »

Rubbish and you know it..

Well they do hate the way of British life. British culture, British people, people in Ulster who are British. The British Army etc.

maccored · 25-01-2011 12:23AM

KeithAFC wrote: »

Well they do hate the way of British life. British culture, British people, people in Ulster who are British. The British Army etc.

Im a paid up member of sinn fein and I dont hate the way of British life. British culture, British people, people in Ulster who are British. i dont have much time for the british army, after the way they went on for years, mind you.

Hotblack Desiato · 25-01-2011 12:29AM

KeithAFC wrote: »

What do you want Sinn Fein to do with them?

Respect their wish to remain within the United Kingdom.

KeithAFC · 25-01-2011 12:32AM

maccored wrote: »

Im a paid up member of sinn fein and I dont hate the way of British life. British culture, British people, people in Ulster who are British. i dont have much time for the british army, after the way they went on for years, mind you.

Yeah but you don't run the Sinn Fein party. That is what Sinn Fein as a party is all about.

maccored · 25-01-2011 12:34AM

sf is about the people in it and the general man/woman on the street. im afraid your bias against sinn fein, doesnt mean you have a valid point.

Why the disregard of Sinn Féin?

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