Why the disregard of Sinn Féin?

24-01-2011 09:23PM

maccored wrote: »

im sorry, but thats rose tinted waffle. the 'old' ira fought as hard as the pira ever did.

no the difference is they actually fought while the provos blew up shopping centers, bullied housing estates and abducted and executed Jean Mc Conville

big difference

maccored · 24-01-2011 09:34PM

Deleted User wrote: »

no the difference is they actually fought while the provos blew up shopping centers, bullied housing estates and abducted and executed Jean Mc Conville

big difference

I mean no offence, honestly, but who told you this? Did your granny or someone tell you of the old days? Cus if you read history you'd know the 'old' ira didnt mind killing when they had to.

sligopark · 24-01-2011 09:36PM

Deleted User wrote: »

bullied housing estates

protected housing estates and communities from RUC endorsed and backed thieves, hoods, drug dealers and rapists (in exchange for information)?

wee truck big driver · 24-01-2011 09:37PM

Deleted User wrote: »

no the difference is they actually fought while the provos blew up shopping centers, bullied housing estates and abducted and executed Jean Mc Conville

big difference

the ira fought one of the richest armies in the world and bet them they also policed the estates to make them safe for innocent people well they had to the paid police force where far to busy victimising and harassing these people purely on the basis of their religous beliefs and to do this effectively they had to kill those who where giving information to the sectarian police force for money. war aint nice but if they had been nice they wouldnt have won

sligopark · 24-01-2011 09:42PM

wee truck big driver wrote: »

the ira fought one of the richest armies in the world and bet them

no they didn't and Gerry and Co realised this would never happen (having seen the brute force of the brits in the late eighties / early nineties along with british sponsored loyalist violence) and played the chess game of politics from the early nineties onward...

Fitzerb · 24-01-2011 09:44PM

LordSutch wrote: »

I'm just surprised to learn that the army murdered 400 people during the troubles.

I never knew that before, and I'm shocked, but I also suspect that IRA 'combatants' are being included in this figure?

A little bit of useless info for you.

First death of the 1968 trouble was protestant batton charged by the RUC. He was caught up by accident near a march in Dungiven and his name was mccolskey a 66 year farmer who the RUC mistook for a Catholic

The first British solider was killed by the UVF in 1969 (not sure of the year)

So there you have useless info

sligopark · 24-01-2011 09:50PM

Fitzerb wrote: »

First death of the 1968 trouble was protestant batton charged by the RUC. He was caught up by accident near a march in Dungiven and his name was mccolskey a 66 year farmer who the RUC mistook for a Catholic

The first British solider was killed by the UVF in 1969 (not sure of the year)

not saying I doubt you but any references?

KeithAFC · 24-01-2011 09:51PM

maccored wrote: »

yes, nationalists even made them tea etc - thats true. it all changed though when the army started to help out the loyalists in thei anti catholic stances though.

the soldiers I met growing up - including the ones that - off duty - chased me down omagh high street shouting 'i'll kill you you ****ing taigue' werent trying to help me - believe me.

Who said otherwise? The republican (PIRA) movement to a United Ireland was on its way to blow people up to get that goal.

sligopark · 24-01-2011 10:01PM

KeithAFC wrote: »

Who said otherwise? The republican (PIRA) movement to a United Ireland was on its way to blow people up to get that goal.

not sure I get your point?

Fitzerb · 24-01-2011 10:03PM

LordSutch wrote: »

And the IRA went in with the intention of doing what exactly? Freeing Nationalists from their Unionist chains? fighting the Army? and then as time went by just running riot by planting bombs in pub's, busses, shopping centres, shooting people dead on the streets, car bomb's, etc etc etc.

Oh yeah, I'm sure the IRAs intentions were honourable, and they now tut tut when the new generation of RIRA hoodlums try to plant bombs. Anyway, nowadays they all wear lovely suits, the moustaches have all been shaved off & the balaclavas probably given to Oxfam for the poor people of Columbia

I wouldn't vote for Sinn Fein if they were the last people on Earth.

Firstly I really think you need to understand recent Irish history.
The intention of the IRA in the early days was to protect Catholics from attack. Catholics were burned out of their house prior to the British Army arriving. You have to remember that at that time Catholics did not have a vote in NI were never given houses and never got any decent jobs, so you must understand their frustration and anger. The police force was run the Protestants with the simple policy of "croppy lie down".
In the early days the IRA did protect the Catholics and took on the British soldiers. There were and are an occupying force in a part of our island.
The Brits is true historic fashion thought they could beat the IRA. Bloody Sunday and the Hunger strikers deaths only acted a recruitment process for the IRA.
I admire the volunteers who sacrificed a lot to free Ireland but once they commenced the bombing campaign they lost my respect.
The final straw for me was the murder of Gerry MC Cabe and the fact that Ferris attempted to have the murders freed.
If anyone understands the working of the IRA you will understand rule 8.
Once that was broken it become an organisation for criminals and has remained so to this day.
Sinn Fein are the IRA, just like Labour are the Offiicial IRA, who became the Workers Party then Democratic Left and now Labour. There are still some members of the Workers Party in the Labour Party.
Anyways on the question of Sinn Fein, how can they support cuts in NI government of 2.5 Billion Sterling and then object to cut a 100 miles down the road.

wee truck big driver · 24-01-2011 10:03PM

sligopark wrote: »

no they didn't and Gerry and Co realised this would never happen (having seen the brute force of the brits in the late eighties / early nineties along with british sponsored loyalist violence) and played the chess game of politics from the early nineties onward...

but they did the brits or gone the catholics have eqial rights and the british goverment has agreed to a united ireland the ira and sinn fein used the right amount of war, politics and international support to acheive there aims

Fitzerb · 24-01-2011 10:07PM

sligopark wrote: »

not saying I doubt you but any references?

I dont have the name of the book to hand but if you are interested I can get the name for you. I have it somewhere.

Actually as I think of it now I know I am right re the first man killed but I think the first soldier was killed by the RUC in friendly fire.

I will check the facts for you, they are strange and that is why I remember them.

sparkling sea · 24-01-2011 10:07PM

wee truck big driver wrote: »

but they did the brits or gone the catholics have eqial rights and the british goverment has agreed to a united ireland the ira and sinn fein used the right amount of war, politics and international support to acheive there aims

The only purpose Sinn Fein and the terrorist group known as the IRA did was slow a process in Northern Ireland that would have happened anyway.
And by the by the British Government may have agreed to a "United Ireland" but that doesn't mean that the Irish people have agreed to it or even want it.

sligopark · 24-01-2011 10:12PM

Fitzerb wrote: »

If anyone understands the working of the IRA you will understand rule 8.

what is rule 8?

wee truck big driver wrote: »

but they did the brits or gone the catholics have eqial rights and the british goverment has agreed to a united ireland the ira and sinn fein used the right amount of war, politics and international support to acheive there aims

the british government have agreed to an united ireland?

No they did not re- read the GFA.

Sinn Fein used the war, the northern republican community, non war affiliated catholic community to achieve their political objectives (which are in fact seperate to the northen 'struggle')

put bluntly they used the republican struggle in the North for their marxist objectives....

If in doubt check out Gerry McGeough and Brian Arthurs and what they as self admitted army members and army council advisers have to say about Sinn Fein.

sligopark · 24-01-2011 10:15PM

Fitzerb wrote: »

I dont have the name of the book to hand but if you are interested I can get the name for you. I have it somewhere.

Actually as I think of it now I know I am right re the first man killed but I think the first soldier was killed by the RUC in friendly fire.

I will check the facts for you, they are strange and that is why I remember them.

listen no hurry - tbh I believe you but be prepared - you will be asked!

Fitzerb · 24-01-2011 10:20PM

sligopark wrote: »

not saying I doubt you but any references?

Have it now..... memory serves badly after weekend of drink.

First person killed is as per my post
Its the first RUC man was killed on the shankhill road by UVF.

First soldier was killed by the IRA in Feb 1971 his name was Cutis

First Person Killed

http://www.tribune.ie/news/home-news/article/2009/jul/12/police-still-to-probe-first-killing-of-the-trouble/

First RUC man Killed

On 11 October 1969, Constable Victor Arbuckle was shot dead by loyalists on Belfast's Shankill Road during serious rioting in protest at the recommendations of the Hunt Report. He became the first police fatality of the Troubles"

Read more: http://www.answers.com/topic/royal-ulster-constabulary#ixzz1BzgHHVAo

I got that off the net but if you want I will dig out the name of the book with some interesting "useless" info in it

wee truck big driver · 24-01-2011 10:25PM

sligopark wrote: »

what is rule 8?

the british government have agreed to an united ireland?

No they did not re- read the GFA.

Sinn Fein used the war, the northern republican community, non war affiliated catholic community to achieve their political objectives (which are in fact seperate to the northen 'struggle')

well its like this there is two sides to every story and where irish history is concerned there is twenty sides so i wont be judging anything on somebodys account as every single person has there own agenda

sligopark · 24-01-2011 10:26PM

cheers but interestedin rule 8?

was this from the Green book?

Fitzerb · 24-01-2011 10:26PM

sligopark wrote: »

what is rule 8?

the british government have agreed to an united ireland?

No they did not re- read the GFA.

Sinn Fein used the war, the northern republican community, non war affiliated catholic community to achieve their political objectives (which are in fact seperate to the northen 'struggle')

put bluntly they used the republican struggle in the North for their marxist objectives....

If in doubt check out Gerry McGeough and Brian Arthurs and what they as self admitted army members and army council advisers have to say about Sinn Fein.

The IRA have a very limited set of rules but were upheld by right through the 50's 60's and 70's. One of the rules was never to attack the security forces of the free state. They could and did defend themselves if attacked or fire warning shots if escaping. Garda Mc Cabe was sitting in his car when shot by the IRA. The guy never had a chance to draw his weapon, it was really a cowardly thing to do. Then for Ferris to seek the early release of his murderers really sickened me.

sligopark · 24-01-2011 10:27PM

wee truck big driver wrote: »

sligopark wrote: »

what is rule 8?

the british government have agreed to an united ireland?

No they did not re- read the GFA.

Sinn Fein used the war, the northern republican community, non war affiliated catholic community to achieve their political objectives (which are in fact seperate to the northen 'struggle')

well its like this there is two sides to every story and where irish history is concerned there is twenty sides so i wont be judging anything on somebodys account as every single person has there own agenda

wee truck driver - did you grow up in the north during the troubles? Have you heard of either Gerry McGeough or Brian Arthurs?

wee truck big driver · 24-01-2011 10:28PM

i like to take an overall view an make my own judgement an i believe that within 50 years there will be a united ireland and given the last 500 years or so of irish history thats not too long to wait

Fitzerb · 24-01-2011 10:28PM

sligopark wrote: »

cheers but interestedin rule 8?

was this from the Green book?

Yes it was from the green book. When I say attack I should say kill in my other post

sligopark · 24-01-2011 10:30PM

Fitzerb wrote: »

The IRA have a very limited set of rules but were upheld by right through the 50's 60's and 70's. One of the rules was never to attack the security forces of the free state. They could and did defend themselves if attacked or fire warning shots if escaping. Garda Mc Cabe was sitting in his car when shot by the IRA. The guy never had a chance to draw his weapon, it was really a cowardly thing to do. Then for Ferris to seek the early release of his murderers really sickened me.

There is a Green Book of obligations for volunteers (I don't have one - obvioulsy) - have you heard of this?

Ferris didn't only work for the McCabe murderers - he took them from jail and worked an escape route to avoid Garda survellance on their release - did you know of this?

yosemite_sam · 24-01-2011 10:35PM

mcwhirter wrote: »

If sinn fein get in then forget about ireland doing business with UK

That's a blinkered view

Fitzerb · 24-01-2011 10:36PM

sligopark wrote: »

There is a Green Book of obligations for volunteers (I don't have one - obvioulsy) - have you heard of this?

Ferris didn't only work for the McCabe murderers - he took them from jail and worked an escape route to avoid Garda survellance on their release - did you know of this?

Yes there is was and is a green book. Obligations in the IRA and stronger than than obligations as we know them. Up to the 70's the IRA had some principles but they went out the window when Adams took over.

sligopark · 24-01-2011 10:40PM

wee truck big driver wrote: »

i like to take an overall view an make my own judgement an i believe that within 50 years there will be a united ireland and given the last 500 years or so of irish history thats not too long to wait

there is no doubt something will unite - possibly but less likely is the chance we may return to UK rule (and so get a better deal ala the scottish or welsh) more likely is the chance that we will now become a full slave to the EU - SF sold off the idea of a united ireland with the GFA - its worth reading it in full... then FF FG and LAB sold us off via Lisbon

Gerry Adams, speaking in today’s Guardian, sees a united Ireland in his lifetime, depending on how long his lifetime that he has to live will be lived… out.

Below is an artist’s impression of what a United Ireland will definitely feasibly look like by November 2011.

Fitzerb · 24-01-2011 10:41PM

sligopark wrote: »

there is no doubt something will unite - possibly but less likely is the chance we may return to UK rule (and so get a better deal ala the scottish or welsh) more likely is the chance that we will now become a full slave to the EU - SF sold off the idea of a united ireland with the GFA - its worth reading it in full... then FF FG and LAB sold us off via Lisbon

Excellent LOL

sligopark · 24-01-2011 10:42PM

Fitzerb wrote: »

Yes there is was and is a green book. Obligations in the IRA and stronger than than obligations as we know them. Up to the 70's the IRA had some principles but they went out the window when Adams took over.

Yes and no - it changed when McGuiness and Adams convinced the army council of its strategy of brinkmanship, not realising it was for SF as issue of equlaity to fit their political objectives rather than a war strategy for a United Ireland - SF actually conned the Army Council.

sligopark · 24-01-2011 10:43PM

Fitzerb wrote: »

Yes there is was and is a green book.

any idea where one might obtain this said 'Green Book' ?

wee truck big driver · 24-01-2011 10:43PM

Fitzerb wrote: »

Yes there is was and is a green book. Obligations in the IRA and stronger than than obligations as we know them. Up to the 70's the IRA had some principles but they went out the window when Adams took over.

principle dont win wars especially when the enemy lacks any its also abit sickening to keep hearing about gerry mc cabe what an insult to all the other people killed in the last 40 years

Why the disregard of Sinn Féin?

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