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It wasn't me! · 22-12-2010 3:33pm

MUSSOLINI wrote: »

Just dont be wasting your time helping Irish homeless people or anything.

Psst... Come here a sec... whisper now; I'm going to tell you the big secret. Are you ready? Listen carefully now. "It's possible to do both." Ssshhh! Don't tell anyone! Heap big secret!

Wolfe Tone · 22-12-2010 3:36pm

It wasn't me! wrote: »

Psst... Come here a sec... whisper now; I'm going to tell you the big secret. Are you ready? Listen carefully now. "It's possible to do both." Ssshhh! Don't tell anyone! Heap big secret!

Its possible all right, but you don't get the same plaudits for both do you? Il say it again I don't mind the motivation as good work is done, but its not some selfless act of charity, it looks good on the CV and you get to be like Bono and spout on about how great you are.

Memnoch · 22-12-2010 3:37pm

Degsy wrote: »

No..there is nothing worse tha a self-righteous idealogue pissing on about thier holiday with a few asides about how great they are thrown in.

Wrong. A self-righteous, self-important, narcissistic idealogue pissing on the genuine efforts of others - trying to make the world a better place in their own small way - by questioning their motivation and disparaging their character without an iota of fact to back such meaningless accusations is far, far worse.

Memnoch · 22-12-2010 3:39pm

MUSSOLINI wrote: »

Its possible all right, but you don't get the same plaudits for both do you? Il say it again I don't mind the motivation as good work is done, but its not some selfless act of charity, it looks good on the CV and you get to be like Bono and spout on about how great you are.

Are you a mind reader?

Just because this is A POSSIBLE motivation, doesn't mean it is THE motivation.

Maybe you chose to believe so because that is the only motivation that you can see pushing you to participate in something worthwhile?

This kind of baseless accusation says 100x more about the person making them than the person they are being made against.

It wasn't me! · 22-12-2010 3:40pm

MUSSOLINI wrote: »

Its possible all right, but you don't get the same plaudits for both do you? Il say it again I don't mind the motivation as good work is done, but its not some selfless act of charity, it looks good on the CV and you get to be like Bono and spout on about how great you are.

Unless you don't do those things, of course. By your same token, any charity work done in Ireland has the same motivations. Now, of course people partake in work because it makes them feel good, but when they draw their joy from helping other people, it's quite difficult to objectively label that selfish.

Degsy · 22-12-2010 3:50pm

Memnoch wrote: »

- trying to make the world a better place in their own small way

A getting a shiitload of kudos for it too...hypocrites to a man.

Memnoch · 22-12-2010 3:54pm

Degsy wrote: »

A getting a shiitload of kudos for it too...hypocrites to a man.

No more than they feckin deserve.

What amazes me more though is your religious zeal in disparaging their motivation without any evidence or indication to back it up.

To you the fact that they get kudos is proof that they did what they did simply in order to get said kudos? Your logic would be laughable if it wasn't so pitiful.

It wasn't me! · 22-12-2010 3:55pm

Degsy wrote: »

A getting a shiitload of kudos for it too...hypocrites to a man.

That's not hypocrisy.

Wolfe Tone · 22-12-2010 3:56pm

Would they do half the charity work if they got no plaudits for it? I don't think so.

It wasn't me! · 22-12-2010 3:59pm

MUSSOLINI wrote: »

Would they do half the charity work if they got no plaudits for it? I don't think so.

Any basis for the speculation? The work isn't easy. If they were doing it just for the pat on the back at the end, they have very low expectations. I think your position is pretty untenable. Would you go two or three thousand miles, into a warzone, risk your life, just for stories to tell and to impress other people?

Wolfe Tone · 22-12-2010 4:01pm

It wasn't me! wrote: »

Any basis for the speculation? The work isn't easy. If they were doing it just for the pat on the back at the end, they have very low expectations. I think your position is pretty untenable. Would you go two or three thousand miles, into a warzone, risk your life, just for stories to tell and to impress other people?

For an adventure? Many would. Why do you think so many go to war?

It wasn't me! · 22-12-2010 4:03pm

MUSSOLINI wrote: »

For an adventure? Many would. Why do you think so many go to war?

I don't think you really understand either mindset, at all.

marco_polo · 22-12-2010 4:03pm

MUSSOLINI wrote: »

Would they do half the charity work if they got no plaudits for it? I don't think so.

Just a thought, why not go find a few charity workers and ask them instead of making lazy generalisations and flawed assumptions.

Degsy · 22-12-2010 4:03pm

Memnoch wrote: »

No more than they feckin deserve.
.

They deserve nothing but abuse..creeping-jesus do-gooders..not only that but they launch "appeals" in work etc before they head off to get people to pay thier airfare.

A woman in work went round collecting money to send her daughter to south africa to build huts for people...expecting US to stump up the money for her holiday..no way,pedro.

Wolfe Tone · 22-12-2010 4:03pm

marco_polo wrote: »

Just a thought, why not go find a few charity workers and ask them instead of making lazy generalisations and flawed assumptions.

I do charity work. Have spent my summers doing such for years, I dont spout n about it.

bmarley · 22-12-2010 4:05pm

Dudess wrote: »

Yeah, silly cow - publicity stunt clearly.

And why shouldn't she tell her story. She went through a terrible ordeal and deserves to be compensated. Goal did not fulfill their responsibilities to her and it was important that this was highlighted.

Wolfe Tone · 22-12-2010 4:06pm

Degsy wrote: »

They deserve nothing but abuse..creeping-jesus do-gooders..not only that but they launch "appeals" in work etc before they head off to get people to pay thier airfare.

A woman in work went round collecting money to send her daughter to south africa to build huts for people...expecting US to stump up the money for her holiday..no way,pedro.

I was at a meeting about those trips to Africa and South America a few weeks ago, you only actually do charity work for half of it, go kayaking and sh!t for the rest.

Degsy · 22-12-2010 4:06pm

MUSSOLINI wrote: »

I do charity work. Have spent my summers doing such for years, I dont spout n about it.

You're doing it now.:rolleyes:

Wolfe Tone · 22-12-2010 4:07pm

Degsy wrote: »

You're doing it now.:rolleyes:

In fairness the poster said to go ask some charity workers

Memnoch · 22-12-2010 4:09pm

Degsy wrote: »

They deserve nothing but abuse..creeping-jesus do-gooders..not only that but they launch "appeals" in work etc before they head off to get people to pay thier airfare.

A woman in work went round collecting money to send her daughter to south africa to build huts for people...expecting US to stump up the money for her holiday..no way,pedro.

You take ONE anecdotal example and use that to tar everyone with the same brush?

It might be true that there are people out these who use the guise of charity work to enrich themselves/enjoy themselves or whatever. But how you go from there to tarring ANYONE who engages in charity work in this way is not a leap of logic, it's a leap of fantasy fuelled by god only knows what.

marco_polo · 22-12-2010 4:15pm

MUSSOLINI wrote: »

I do charity work. Have spent my summers doing such for years, I dont spout n about it.

Fair play, but it only makes it all the more puzzling that you can't seem to accept that the vast majority do the same for nobel reasons.

Degsy · 22-12-2010 4:22pm

Here's a few examples
http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=17325833390#!/group.php?gid=66143874179

http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=17325833390#!/group.php?gid=179307917947

http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=17325833390#!/group.php?gid=116468281726899

http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=17325833390#!/group.php?gid=80870423421

Setting up groups to promote themselves,scab money and have people thank them for thier greatness.

Wolfe Tone · 22-12-2010 4:24pm

marco_polo wrote: »

Fair play, but it only makes it all the more puzzling that you can't seem to accept that the vast majority do the same for nobel reasons.

I dont think most of them do it for noble reasons. They do it for the "fair play" you just gave me there.

Would they do it if the reaction was negative? I dont think so.

marco_polo · 22-12-2010 4:31pm

MUSSOLINI wrote: »

I dont think most of them do it for noble reasons. They do it for the "fair play" you just gave me there.

Would they do it if the reaction was negative? I dont think so.

You think so, not because is true, but because you need to believe it true to fit your world view, its basically confirmation bias.

A classic example of confimation would be somebody trawling through facebook links to 'prove' their point for example.

Degsy wrote: »

Here's a few examples
http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=17325833390#!/group.php?gid=66143874179

http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=17325833390#!/group.php?gid=179307917947

http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=17325833390#!/group.php?gid=116468281726899

http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=17325833390#!/group.php?gid=80870423421

Setting up groups to promote themselves,scab money and have people thank them for thier greatness.

Wolfe Tone · 22-12-2010 4:40pm

marco_polo wrote: »

You think so, not because is true, but because you need to believe it true to fit your world view, its basically confirmation bias.

A classic example of confimation would be somebody trawling through facebook links to 'prove' their point for example.

I could easily twist what you said there and aim it at you.

FlutterinBantam · 22-12-2010 4:44pm

MUSSOLINI wrote: »

I do charity work. Have spent my summers doing such for years, I dont spout n about it.

Collecting for Sinn Fein isn't charity work.

Why don't you do it in the Winter?

Wolfe Tone · 22-12-2010 4:51pm

FlutterinBantam wrote: »

Collecting for Sinn Fein isn't charity work.

Why don't you do it in the Winter?

Wow, how funny, no wait its not. Go back to talking about taking a sh!t.

marco_polo · 22-12-2010 4:54pm

MUSSOLINI wrote: »

I could easily twist what you said there and aim it at you.

You could, but since I am challenging your sweeping generalisations about charity workers rather than making any of my own, I doubt it would work out very well.

By all means have a go though I could use the entertainment value.

FlutterinBantam · 22-12-2010 4:56pm

MUSSOLINI wrote: »

Wow, how funny, no wait its not. Go back to talking about taking a sh!t.

I see the truth hurts there ...... .

Why not see these punters for what they are, gimps who wouldn't lift a digit to help the local people but are well able to to travel to exotic locations to 'help'.

Charity begins at home, I was always told;)

Orando Broom · 22-12-2010 4:59pm

Untrained eejits being sent in to Africa by a business to drum up more money to keep the family trade going. That is what Goal is.

Charity begins at home. But in Ireland charity work is, unseen, gritty and thankless and people don't give a toss what you do. Flute off to Africa for six months after grifting off every friend, neighbour and co-worker for the price of the flight and a nice little stipend for JO'S to keep him and his family in their accustomed in Killiney and you're a god.

It's a no-brainer for the daddy's boys and girls who need to 'give something back'.

Why not send every dime you raise to, say the likes of, the Kilteagan Missions who actually have experienced people working on the ground in African communities for decades? No holiday to Kilimanjaro, that's why.

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