Sharon Commins on Prime Time

Slideshowbob

Just wondering what her angle is on doing this documentary now?

Seems strange to me. Like she's hunting a payout for compensation.

Oh breaking news: darfur is a war zone. Aid work ain't tourism
:rolleyes:

Looks like she could have got out of there before the kidnap if she wanted

Having said that how can John o'shea justify goal policy not being followed. Makes you wonder for the others out there

bigwormbundoran

She'd get it though

Praetorian Saighdiuir

bigwormbundoran wrote: »

She'd get it though

No way man, never touch a chick that has spent time in Africa. The place is riddled, god only knows what she got up ta.

well before she was held for ransom.

Degsy

Bloody pinko do-gooders.

goat2

listning in now and then, she had a nightmare time, listning to her, you can see she will never get over it, and for her the way she speaking, it is as if it happened yesterday, i feel sorry for her, to have been treated that way, so cruel those kidnappers

Goldenegg

I think she came across quite well actually...

That whole documentary proved what a knob your man is who runs goal!

bobblepuzzle

Slideshowbob wrote: »

Just wondering what her angle is on doing this documentary now?

Seems strange to me. Like she's hunting a payout for compensation.

Oh breaking news: darfur is a war zone. Aid work ain't tourism
:rolleyes:

Looks like she could have got out of there before the kidnap if she wanted

Having said that how can John o'shea justify goal policy not being followed. Makes you wonder for the others out there

Er, would you not want compo for no training that cost you 107 days in brutal captivity in a desert? It may have been inevitable even with the training, but the organisation shunned their responsibility and should be held accountable

orourkeda

bigwormbundoran wrote: »

She'd get it though

She defiitely would

fedor.2.

naive woman

diamondtooth

She asked for training 11 months before the kidnapping and never got any!

And after the ordeal Goal offered her counselling only 10 days after she returned to Dublin!

Its terrible Goal treated her like this. I'm glad she has spoken about her story. Companies have been treating staff like this for too long and getting away with it.

Dudess

Slideshowbob wrote: »

Just wondering what her angle is on doing this documentary now?

Seems strange to me. Like she's hunting a payout for compensation.

Oh breaking news: darfur is a war zone. Aid work ain't tourism
:rolleyes:

Looks like she could have got out of there before the kidnap if she wanted

Yeah, silly cow - publicity stunt clearly.

bobblepuzzle

Dudess wrote: »

Yeah, silly cow - publicity stunt clearly.

What?! How? I found it a really interesting piece, told by one of the women involved... just because a programme like it comes out with a victim, "uh publicity" bs tbh

Slideshowbob

bobblepuzzle wrote: »

Er, would you not want compo for no training that cost you 107 days in brutal captivity in a desert? It may have been inevitable even with the training, but the organisation shunned their responsibility and should be held accountable

I'd need to consider all options before going

Is it reasonable for goal to take responsibility for every mad man in every region they are in?

I didn't recall Brian Keenan reflecting with a similar outlook after he was released

Did she think she was going todisneyland?

Also several references on programme to goal "employees". I thought they were all volunteers!!! Ehats all that about??

Degsy

Dudess wrote: »

Yeah, silly cow - publicity stunt clearly.

Yep..glad you agree.

zuroph

Just subbing to this thread. I expect great things for it.

Dudess

bobblepuzzle wrote: »

What?! How? I found it a really interesting piece, told by one of the women involved... just because a programme like it comes out with a victim, "uh publicity" bs tbh

I was being ironcastic.

Degsy

Dudess wrote: »

I was being ironcastic.

Yeah but you were right..she is a silly cow looking for publicity.

dixiefly

She was scathing towards Goal at the end and probably rightly so.
She said that there was negligence in leaving her in there and then did not arrange councilling for her in the required time.

Pretty damning on John O'Shea and Goal. I dont know if this is a once off but anymore bad publicity like this would be disastrous for an organisation that relies on donations to survive.

Degsy

dixiefly wrote: »

I dont know if this is a once off but anymore bad publicity like this would be disastrous for an organisation that relies on donations to survive.

All those "aid" organisations are rotten from the arse up..the directors take huge fees for themselves and a lot of the staff are paid too.

Crann na Beatha

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goat2

it will open alot of young peoples eyes to the dangers of this work, and they will better informed by her telling it as it is, no roses, just cruel.

Degsy

Obaraten wrote: »

Was she tortured in captivity or what?

You getting off on this?

Slideshowbob

dixiefly wrote: »

She was scathing towards Goal at the end and probably rightly so.
She said that there was negligence in leaving her in there and then did not arrange councilling for her in the required time.

Pretty damning on John O'Shea and Goal. I dont know if this is a once off but anymore bad publicity like this would be disastrous for an organisation that relies on donations to survive.

Didn't she say she had the opportunity to leave by helicopter before the kidnap but she decided not to?

High energy

I'm cancelling my monthly direct debit to Goal immediately after viewing that documentary.

Oh wait I don't have one..

dory

Slideshowbob wrote: »

Also several references on programme to goal "employees". I thought they were all volunteers!!! Ehats all that about??

Well you got it wrong then. These people are employees. Why would they be volunteers? If these were all volunteer jobs you'd only get inexperienced/unqualified people applying. Do you not think trained professionals should be sent for these kinds of things?

Crann na Beatha

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Slideshowbob

dory wrote: »

Well you got it wrong then. These people are employees. Why would they be volunteers? If these were all volunteer jobs you'd only get inexperienced/unqualified people applying. Do you not think trained professionals should be sent for these kinds of things?

What salaries are they on?

Wasn't it one point of the documentary that she didn't get training???

You think her masters in international studies helped her when she was kidnapped?:rolleyes:

Boom__Boom

For some reason I have an imaginary version of Gold by Spandau Ballet where the the word Gold is replaced with GOAL in it in my head now.





That is all.

goat2

after listening to her tonight, i would not do that work and i hope none of my kids would ever, i would be very worried about them as this could happen again, going to dangerous areas, would not like anyone belonging to me going through the cruelty that girl went through, not knowing whether she would be killed, and when they would kill her, where they would bury her, what a way to live for such a long period, in dire cruelty

Be||e

Degsy wrote: »

All those "aid" organisations are rotten from the arse up..the directors take huge fees for themselves and a lot of the staff are paid too.

Yes, doctors, nurses, engineers etc. work for these organisations. You think they shouldn't get paid?

fedor.2.

Be||e wrote: »

Yes, doctors, nurses, engineers etc. work for these organisations. You think they shouldn't get paid?

Yes

Dudess

FFS, all the bitching and rolleyes from comfortable chairs behind laptops - it's like some of you are trying to find an excuses to be cynical. Even the stuff in the OP about how she could have got out of there before the kidnap, as if she chose to risk being kidnapped by those nut-jobs. She went there to help people out, she knew it was a war zone, not tourism - that's why she went there to help. Whatever you think about aid initiatives, it's hardly something to be condemned. What exactly is there to be condemned about it? When aid money is sent, there are protestations of "They should be taught how to help themselves" and that is what she was doing. Damned do, damned don't.
And Prime Time does human interest documentaries all the time - why the focus on this specifically? Just seems like an excuse to sock it to hippies.

Degsy

Dudess wrote: »

And Prime Time does human interest documentaries all the time - why the focus on this specifically? Just seems like an excuse to sock it to hippies.

Because she was in a place that she'd no business being in and she got kidnapped when she shouldnt have and now she's bitching and gassing about it
.
She's a publicity seeker through and through..just like all the PC do-gooders who go to interfere in other countries.

fedor.2.

Dudess wrote: »

FFS, all the bitching and rolleyes from comfortable chairs behind laptops - it's like some of you are trying to find an excuses to be cynical. Even the stuff in the OP about how she could have got out of there before the kidnap, as if she chose to risk being kidnapped by those nut-jobs. She went there to help people out, she knew it was a war zone, not tourism - that's why she went there to help. Whatever you think about aid initiatives, it's hardly something to be condemned. What exactly is there to be condemned about it? When aid money is sent, there are protestations of "They should be taught how to help themselves" and that is what she was doing. Damned do, damned don't.
And Prime Time does human interest documentaries all the time - why the focus on this specifically? Just seems like an excuse to sock it to hippies.

So, when are you leaving??

Dudess

Degsy wrote: »

She's a publicity seeker through and through..just like all the PC do-gooders who go to interfere in other countries.

Why is she a publicity seeker? Some people genuinely want to do this kind of humanitarian work - why does everything like this have to be reduced to "PC do-gooder"?

fedor.2. wrote: »

So, when are you leaving??

So, defending her means I should put my money where my mouth is and follow suit? Interesting logic.

fedor.2.

Dudess wrote: »

Why is she a publicity seeker? Some people genuinely want to do this kind of humanitarian work - why does everything like this have to be reduced to "PC do-gooder"?

So, defending her means I should put my money where my mouth is and follow suit? Interesting logic.

Thank you

Holybejaysus

To be honest, the only trained professionals who should be operating out in Darfur/Sudan are the ones who have a Steyr rifle strapped across their chest.

You can help out, sure, just make sure you have a big effing rifle to fall back on when the SHTF- and it almost certainly will. They play by big boys rules out there.

The graveyards are full of well meaning but hopelessly naive do-gooders.

It wasn't me!

Degsy wrote: »

Because she was in a place that she'd no business being in and she got kidnapped when she shouldnt have and now she's bitching and gassing about it
.
She's a publicity seeker through and through..just like all the PC do-gooders who go to interfere in other countries.

Okay, that's a giant sack of ****. 85 Irish soldiers have died acting as "do-gooders" who went out to "interfere in other countries" because it was bloody well worth doing. How miserably disrespectful to their memory and everyone else who saw horrors being perpetrated and did something about it. How ill-minded to suggest that we should let such things occur. That sickens me.

Dudess

I fully agree Holybejaysus. I hate that expression "do-gooder" though - it implies there's a condescending and/or left-wing agenda behind something like this, which is essentially just trying to help improve the lives of people in horrendous circumstances, however naive and overly idealistic. Members of religious orders have always done missionary work, doctors also do. It's nothing new.

Degsy

It wasn't me! wrote: »

O. How ill-minded to suggest that we should let such things occur. That sickens me.

Hows she gonna make a difference exactly by getting her sorry arse kidnapped?

And yes,what occurs in tribal warzones is non of our business..leave them to it.

Dudess

Degsy wrote: »

Hows she gonna make a difference exactly by getting her sorry arse kidnapped?

Strange logic again - it's not like she would have gone out there planning to get kidnapped. It's a risk, but not that commonplace.

It wasn't me!

Degsy wrote: »

Hows she gonna make a difference exactly by getting her sorry arse kidnapped?

And yes,what occurs in tribal warzones is non of our business..leave them to it.

It takes both elements, armed security and civilian aid organisations, to properly solve any problem. Either one on its own is not effective. Do you honestly believe we should allow genocides like Rwanda or Darfur to just occur without making some sort of contribution to halt the slaughter or alleviate the suffering (Note the two distinct elements of providing effective aid)? If so, that's just not something I can comprehend.

fedor.2.

Dudess wrote: »

Strange logic again - it's not like she would have gone out there planning to get kidnapped. It's a risk, but not that commonplace.

http://humanrights.change.org/blog/view/kidnapping_in_darfur_-_for_a_few_dollars_more

Dempo1

It was intriguing stuff and for a rare change, it was refreshing not to see a FF politician gloating in self praise. What opened my mind was this John O'Shea's agenda. I always found him quite gruff and a bit thuggish, indeed questions have been raised previously about his Salary. What amazes me is that such a media darling could have made such a PR disaster out of this unfortunate experience. It was quite telling towards the end of the documentary that Sharon has no lost love for O Shea and Goal and no doubt this program will certainly not help Goals coffers next year.

Einhard

Holybejaysus wrote: »

The graveyards are full of well meaning but hopelessly naive do-gooders.

And the graveyards of Darfur and Ethiopia and the Congo would be even more full with the bodies of dead children and adults were it not for the remarkable work these hopelessly naive do-gooders do. Guess that doesn't count though when a cynical cheap shop is to be had.

fedor.2.

Einhard wrote: »

And the graveyards of Darfur and Ethiopia and the Congo would be even more full with the bodies of dead children and adults were it not for the remarkable work these hopelessly naive do-gooders do. Guess that doesn't count though when a cynical cheap shop is to be had.

Indeed

Dudess

fedor.2. wrote: »

Indeed

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41FKJD6A6RL._SL500_AA300_.jpg

Holybejaysus

Einhard wrote: »

And the graveyards of Darfur and Ethiopia and the Congo would be even more full with the bodies of dead children and adults were it not for the remarkable work these hopelessly naive do-gooders do. Guess that doesn't count though when a cynical cheap shop is to be had.

Oh really? If you give me one, just one teeny example of when a civilian has ever prevented the janjaweed militia from slaughtering anybody in Darfur, I will humbly kiss you backside.

As I say, Big boys rules out there-no place for civvies.

Einhard

Holybejaysus wrote: »

Oh really? If you give me one, just one teeny example of when a civilian has ever prevented the janjaweed militia from slaughtering anybody in Darfur, I will humbly kiss you backside.

As I say, Big boys rules out there-no place for civvies.

Do you really think that the only thing that is done in Darfur or Chad for the populations there is to stop them getting shot? Who do you think provides health care for the refugees flooding out of the region? The Irish army?! Try Medecin Sans Frontiers. Typical naive do-gooders eh. Them and their saving lives. Bah!

figarofigaro

Holybejaysus wrote: »

Oh really? If you give me one, just one teeny example of when a civilian has ever prevented the janjaweed militia from slaughtering anybody in Darfur, I will humbly kiss you backside.

Being killed by janjaweed militia is not the only way to die out there.

Degsy

figarofigaro wrote: »

Being killed by janjaweed militia is not the only way to die out there.

Yeah,going to work for an aid agency seems to be a good one.