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Huge waste of money by University

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  • #2
    smellslikeshoes
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,354 ✭✭✭smellslikeshoes


    Could also say the same about music and art or any performing art, sure lets just abolish it all :rolleyes:


  • #3
    bigpink
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,552 ✭✭✭bigpink


    Stuff like Art and Music is an interest/hobby...how is chanting going to do anything for the country


  • #4
    senordingdong
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,673 ✭✭✭✭senordingdong


    smellslikeshoes wrote: »
    Could also say the same about music and art or any performing art, sure lets just abolish it all :rolleyes:

    DAMN STRAIGHT.

    Stupid hippies.


  • #5
    bigpink
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,552 ✭✭✭bigpink


    Its nice job hunting for extra part time work and then you see a job like this with a salaery of 40 to 50 grand a year:(


  • #6
    Millicent
    Registered Users Posts: 4,559 ✭✭✭Millicent


    bigpink wrote: »
    Stuff like Art and Music is an interest/hobby...how is chanting going to do anything for the country

    Excuse me, me and my bloody English/music degree would beg to differ. What do you reckon, that everyone who goes to go college needs to be an accountant/engineer/IT consultant (no disrespect to any of the above)? Are you just cribbing become someone is monopolising on a niche? Why shouldn't they?

    ETA: Just double-checked and it's Gregorian chant. It's not exactly an obscure tradition OP. It's hundreds of years old and a fairly important part of music history and early theory.


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  • #7
    bigpink
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,552 ✭✭✭bigpink


    Millicent wrote: »
    Excuse me, me and my bloody English/music degree would beg to differ. What do you reckon, that everyone who goes to go college needs to be an accountant/engineer/IT consultant (no disrespect to any of the above)? Are you just cribbing become someone is monopolising on a niche? Why shouldn't they?

    ETA: Just double-checked and it's Gregorian chant. It's not exactly an obscure tradition OP. It's hundreds of years old and a fairly important part of music history and early theory.


    By all means do your chanting course but i dont think taxpayers should have to pay for it


  • #8
    Millicent
    Registered Users Posts: 4,559 ✭✭✭Millicent


    bigpink wrote: »
    By all means do your chanting course but i dont think taxpayers should have to pay for it


    We should scrap choirs while we are at. Hang on, what we really should do is burn all fiction, art and musical instruments, just so we get our money's worth. Lousy musicians never brought a cent to this country. :pac:


  • #9
    bigpink
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,552 ✭✭✭bigpink


    So please tell what this chanting course does for this country?Are you making a living from music?Isnt artists very low tax?


  • #10
    PanchoVilla
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,053 ✭✭✭PanchoVilla


    OP, didn't you hear? We've been abandoned by the Christian god so now we have to ask those damn pagan gods for help. From what I understand, they like ritual chanting...and human sacrifice. Seeing as you don't agree with the chanting, maybe you'd be a team player and offer yourself up for the sacrifice thing?


  • #11
    MagicMarker
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 32,865 ✭✭✭✭MagicMarker


    bigpink wrote: »
    So please tell what this chanting course does for this country?Are you making a living from music?Isnt artists very low tax?
    Stupid post is stupid.


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  • #12
    bigpink
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,552 ✭✭✭bigpink


    And mean while back in the real world some people are looking for jobs


  • #13
    Millicent
    Registered Users Posts: 4,559 ✭✭✭Millicent


    bigpink wrote: »
    So please tell what this chanting course does for this country?Are you making a living from music?Isnt artists very low tax?

    No, honestly, but a lot of people from my course are, as are people from the years behind me. And just because artists' tax exists, doesn't mean there is no monetary value in performance. That's a basic economic mistake to make. Revenue from ticket sales, travel to venues, entertaining/feeding oneself before/after.

    And the idea that that a course has to have some intrinsic value to the tax revenue to be considered worthwhile expenditure is ridiculous, even by AH standards. Also, as you seem to be failing to notice, this Gregorian chant course is adding at least a €40,000 job to the economy which will fuel tax revenue and spending, at least in that one person.

    Non-story.


  • #14
    Millicent
    Registered Users Posts: 4,559 ✭✭✭Millicent


    bigpink wrote: »
    And mean while back in the real world some people are looking for jobs

    Yeah, I hear there's a job going for a Gregorian chant lecturer. You should stick in your CV. :pac:


  • #15
    bigpink
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,552 ✭✭✭bigpink


    Millicent wrote: »
    No, honestly, but a lot of people from my course are, as are people from the years behind me. And just because artists' tax exists, doesn't mean there is no monetary value in performance. That's a basic economic mistake to make. Revenue from ticket sales, travel to venues, entertaining/feeding oneself before/after.

    And the idea that that a course has to have some intrinsic value to the tax revenue to be considered worthwhile expenditure is ridiculous, even by AH standards. Also, as you seem to be failing to notice, this Gregorian chant course is adding at least a €40,000 job to the economy which will fuel tax revenue and spending, at least in that one person.

    Non-story.

    Outside of the job mentioned id love to see the figures for running the whole course
    Hopfully it be cut and the money spent on a least something needed by general public
    Ask any normal regular person and i bet ya very few would consider this good value for money


  • #16
    bigpink
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,552 ✭✭✭bigpink


    The posters that dont see my view come across as the type that look down on normal working people


  • #17
    Millicent
    Registered Users Posts: 4,559 ✭✭✭Millicent


    bigpink wrote: »
    Outside of the job mentioned id love to see the figures for running the whole course
    Hopfully it be cut and the money spent on a least something needed by general public
    Ask any normal regular person and i bet ya very few would consider this good value for money

    Are you messing? That's it. I've decided you're messing. And on the off-chance you're not, I'm now going to read every post of yours in the style of a Gregorian chant.


  • #18
    bigpink
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,552 ✭✭✭bigpink


    Millicent wrote: »
    Are you messing? That's it. I've decided you're messing. And on the off-chance you're not, I'm now going to read every post of yours in the style of a Gregorian chant.


    So you really think this is good value to the taxpayers?


  • #19
    Millicent
    Registered Users Posts: 4,559 ✭✭✭Millicent


    bigpink wrote: »
    The posters that dont see my view come across as the type that look down on normal working people

    Hahahahaha! Yes, really, we do. Because it's impossible for someone from the working class to go to university in this country. That is... Wait, big revelation... Unless they benefit from the tax-funded education. And just so you know, up on your high horse there, I worked a minimum wage job throughout my pointless course to pay my way and am unemployed for the first time since I was 15 -- so more than a decade. But don't let facts get in the way of a nice bit of stereotyping.

    Carry on.


  • #20
    Naos
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,738 ✭✭✭Naos


    Millicent wrote: »
    Also, as you seem to be failing to notice, this Gregorian chant course is adding at least a €40,000 job to the economy which will fuel tax revenue and spending, at least in that one person.

    ??

    Where do you think this €40,000 is coming from?


  • #21
    Millicent
    Registered Users Posts: 4,559 ✭✭✭Millicent


    bigpink wrote: »
    So you really think this is good value to the taxpayers?

    What did you do in college, bigpink? Let's all decide whether your course is good value for money. Protip -- just because you don't understand something, doesn't mean it has no inherent value.


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  • #22
    Millicent
    Registered Users Posts: 4,559 ✭✭✭Millicent


    Naos wrote: »
    ??

    Where do you think this €40,000 is coming from?

    The university system. Do we stop paying all lecturers that don't teach a "practical subject" then? Whether it comes from tax/fee revenue, that money still gets funneled into the economy through taxes, purchases and other expenditure.


  • #23
    bigpink
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,552 ✭✭✭bigpink


    Millicent wrote: »
    Hahahahaha! Yes, really, we do. Because it's impossible for someone from the working class to go to university in this country. That is... Wait, big revelation... Unless they benefit from the tax-funded education. And just so you know, up on your high horse there, I worked a minimum wage job throughout my pointless course to pay my way and am unemployed for the first time since I was 15 -- so more than a decade. But don't let facts get in the way of a nice bit of stereotyping.

    Carry on.

    I really cant see how a chanting course should be payed for by taxpayers
    I didnt question that you worked but can see how normal people would well looking for jobs when they see a job like this advertised,come on like:(
    Why are calling your course pointless?


  • #24
    CreepingDeath
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,015 ✭✭✭CreepingDeath


    bigpink wrote: »
    Its nice job hunting for extra part time work and then you see a job like this with a salaery of 40 to 50 grand a year:(

    €40k-€50k is nothing, sure I won't get out of bed for anything less than €70k, and sometimes not even then.

    I don't think you've any idea how much people really make.


  • #25
    Moist Bread
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,039 ✭✭✭Moist Bread


    Just posting to say this thread makes me want to kill myself.


  • #26
    bigpink
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,552 ✭✭✭bigpink


    Millicent wrote: »
    What did you do in college, bigpink? Let's all decide whether your course is good value for money. Protip -- just because you don't understand something, doesn't mean it has no inherent value.

    Ive 2 years done of a business course and being honest ive learned more working,if i stayed for another 2 years id be broke
    Only useful thing was the accounting


  • #27
    Millicent
    Registered Users Posts: 4,559 ✭✭✭Millicent


    bigpink wrote: »
    I really cant see how a chanting course should be payed for by taxpayers
    I didnt question that you worked but can see how normal people would well looking for jobs when they see a job like this advertised,come on like:(
    Why are calling your course pointless?

    I was calling it pointless to be facetious. And do you get pis.sed off at banks offering management positions because they pay well, even though banks have effed up immensely? I just think your rage is channeled in the wrong direction here.


  • #28
    bigpink
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,552 ✭✭✭bigpink


    CreepingDeath wrote: »
    €40k-€50k is nothing, sure I won't get out of bed for anything less than €70k, and sometimes not even then.

    I don't think you've any idea how much people really make.

    Have you a job going so


  • #29
    jimthemental
    Registered Users Posts: 2,004 ✭✭✭jimthemental


    Do you actually think this is a bad waste of money? Go down to UL and have a walk around, the amount of capital put in there over the last few years could have bailed out the banks. They're getting money privately as well but Don Barry and his cronies have squandered a serious amount of cash down there. Some of the investment is justified but then I just take a look at the presidents house or the living bridge and it makes my blood boil. All of this and they can't seem to reform some of the courses, especially the science ones for the benefit of the students and industry.


  • #30
    bigpink
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,552 ✭✭✭bigpink


    Millicent wrote: »
    I was calling it pointless to be facetious. And do you get pis.sed off at banks offering management positions because they pay well, even though banks have effed up immensely? I just think your rage is channeled in the wrong direction here.

    Banks have been covered in plenty of threads,i posted made to make people aware of wasted money.The country may not change today but we have to hope change comes in the future


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  • #31
    Millicent
    Registered Users Posts: 4,559 ✭✭✭Millicent


    bigpink wrote: »
    Ive 2 years done of a business course and being honest ive learned more working,if i stayed for another 2 years id be broke
    Only useful thing was the accounting

    So should that course be scrapped because you don't see the benefit of it? Others might be getting some from it, but you're not so should it be done away with? You can't measure the value of all things by your standards. Other people will get different benefit from different things.

    And just as an aside, the Limerick course is incredible well regarded by musicians.


  • #32
    bigpink
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,552 ✭✭✭bigpink


    jimthemental wrote: »
    Do you actually think this is a bad waste of money? Go down to UL and have a walk around, the amount of capital put in there over the last few years could have bailed out the banks. They're getting money privately as well but Don Barry and his cronies have squandered a serious amount of cash down there. Some of the investment is justified but then I just take a look at the presidents house or the living bridge and it makes my blood boil. All of this and they can't seem to reform some of the courses, especially the science ones for the benefit of the students and industry.
    Yes i do think its a waste of money.And i agree 100% with the other things you said im just pointing out this particluar waste


  • #33
    Millicent
    Registered Users Posts: 4,559 ✭✭✭Millicent


    bigpink wrote: »
    Banks have been covered in plenty of threads,i posted made to make people aware of wasted money.The country may not change today but we have to hope change comes in the future

    Okay, this is a circular argument. Do we cut all art and music funding then because they're all a waste of money?


  • #34
    Naos
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,738 ✭✭✭Naos


    Millicent wrote: »
    The university system. Do we stop paying all lecturers that don't teach a "practical subject" then? Whether it comes from tax/fee revenue, that money still gets funneled into the economy through taxes, purchases and other expenditure.

    In your own words, you seem to be failing to notice:
    Also, as you seem to be failing to notice, this Gregorian chant course is adding at least a €40,000 job to the economy which will fuel tax revenue and spending, at least in that one person.

    Fuel tax revenue and spending - You're making it out that we are getting money from this person, whereas if we didn't pay the 40k in the first place, we would be better off.

    At the moment, 40k on a gregorian chant lecturer is a ridiculous waste of money.


  • #35
    Moist Bread
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,039 ✭✭✭Moist Bread


    I get out of bed to urinate. I do wish there was a bag with 50k in it by the top of the stairs, however.

    I also wasted money on a pack of Jonnie Onion Rings yesterday - I didn't finish them. I should have given the 70cent to Brian Lenihan :(


  • #36
    bigpink
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,552 ✭✭✭bigpink


    Millicent wrote: »
    So should that course be scrapped because you don't see the benefit of it? Others might be getting some from it, but you're not so should it be done away with? You can't measure the value of all things by your standards. Other people will get different benefit from different things.

    And just as an aside, the Limerick course is incredible well regarded by musicians.

    Id rate business alot more than a chanting course
    Music to any normal person is hobby/past time shur if my dad is out of work next year he should go to a chanting course come get real


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  • #37
    Millicent
    Registered Users Posts: 4,559 ✭✭✭Millicent


    Naos wrote: »
    At the moment, 40k on a gregorian chant lecturer is a ridiculous waste of money.

    Says you. As I said, it's a fairly elemental part of music theory and history that must be learned for a complete understanding of later musical theory. By your logic, the whole course is a waste of money. If the fundamentals are a waste, there's no point in learning any of it.


  • #38
    bigpink
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,552 ✭✭✭bigpink


    Millicent wrote: »
    Okay, this is a circular argument. Do we cut all art and music funding then because they're all a waste of money?

    I think a temporary cut would be no harm.They can make money for chanting courses but music courses for special needs get cut


  • #39
    Millicent
    Registered Users Posts: 4,559 ✭✭✭Millicent


    bigpink wrote: »
    Id rate business alot more than a chanting course
    Music to any normal person is hobby/past time shur if my dad is out of work next year he should go to a chanting course come get real

    It's a hobby/past time to you -- not to the working musicians that courses like that produce. You're honestly saying that no one ever has an income from music?


  • #40
    jimthemental
    Registered Users Posts: 2,004 ✭✭✭jimthemental


    bigpink wrote: »
    Yes i do think its a waste of money.And i agree 100% with the other things you said im just pointing out this particluar waste

    Ya well you'd be right, Gregorian chanting would be up there as one of the more ridiculous courses/modules I've heard of below. What kind of view are ULSU taking or has this been made into an issue below there yet?


  • #41
    Millicent
    Registered Users Posts: 4,559 ✭✭✭Millicent


    bigpink wrote: »
    I think a temporary cut would be no harm.They can make money for chanting courses but music courses for special needs get cut

    Oh, Christ. Just :confused:


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  • #42
    Hank_Jones
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    Let all us Arts Degree holders rise up against the injustice of this thread!

    Shakespeare is spinning in his grave.
    Rodney Dangerfield too.


  • #43
    prinz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,598 ✭✭✭✭prinz


    bigpink wrote: »
    While looking through jobs.ie i found this gem
    How the hell does this benefit us?
    http://www.jobs.ie/ApplyForJob.aspx?Id=1065695


    I think you'll find if you had any clue about the place at all that the WAMD in UL attracts students from all over the world who pay a small fortune for the privilege of studying things such as ritual chanting there. It's probably one of the few areas of the University turning a handsome profit. Good to see a load of people with no idea about the centre or the people involved demand change without putting an ounce of bloody thought into it.


  • #44
    Millicent
    Registered Users Posts: 4,559 ✭✭✭Millicent


    prinz wrote: »
    I think you'll find if you had any clue about the place at all that the WAMD in UL attracts students from all over the world who pay a small fortune for the privilege. It's probably one of the few areas of the University turning a handsome profit.

    Prinz, I was gonna make a point about attracting foreign students but I wasn't sure if it was the case. Thanks for that. :)


  • #45
    bigpink
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,552 ✭✭✭bigpink


    prinz wrote: »
    I think you'll find if you had any clue about the place at all that the WAMD in UL attracts students from all over the world who pay a small fortune for the privilege. It's probably one of the few areas of the University turning a handsome profit.

    Well i hope so,cause i dont want to be paying for it
    No problem with it is thats the way its run


  • #46
    KingMambo26
    Registered Users Posts: 91 ✭✭KingMambo26


    bigpink wrote: »
    Id rate business alot more than a chanting course
    Music to any normal person is hobby/past time shur if my dad is out of work next year he should go to a chanting course come get real

    I'm sure Bono & Co. will agree with you

    And while we're at it why not cut off all spending on Spelling and punctuation education since they don't add any value to the economy.


  • #47
    Moist Bread
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,039 ✭✭✭Moist Bread


    I am in the middle of composing a slap bass odyssey, just you wait till it's finished. It will unite all of Ireland in the spirit of FUNK.


  • #48
    Millicent
    Registered Users Posts: 4,559 ✭✭✭Millicent


    bigpink wrote: »
    Well i hope so,cause i dont want to be paying for it
    No problem with it is thats the way its run

    But it's pointless, isn't it? Just because it's profitable, it's valid now in your eyes? That's kind of depressing.


  • #49
    bigpink
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,552 ✭✭✭bigpink


    If taxpayers arent paying for it let them chant away,people can do what they like when they pay for it,id tell them myself go for it:)
    Yeah im sure Bono pays huge taxes here


  • #50
    ClutchIt
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 709 ✭✭✭ClutchIt


    bigpink wrote: »
    So please tell what this chanting course does for this country?

    WTF?! What does any course do for a country? Finance or accounting or whatever doesn't matter a shít, depends on who you work for. If you worked for Anglo then you ruined the fúcking country. If you practiced chant then you brought happiness to people who like to hear chanting...

    This is the saddest thread I've seen a long while


  • #51
    jimthemental
    Registered Users Posts: 2,004 ✭✭✭jimthemental


    Millicent wrote: »
    But it's pointless, isn't it? Just because it's profitable, it's valid now in your eyes? That's kind of depressing.

    I wouldn't see it necessarily as pointless just because some people are opposed but the wage here does not match the job. Even if this is a profitable department they could be more efficient and profitable if they did not throw money away like this.


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