Huge waste of money by University

bigpink

While looking through jobs.ie i found this gem

How the hell does this benefit us?
http://www.jobs.ie/ApplyForJob.aspx?Id=1065695

smellslikeshoes

Could also say the same about music and art or any performing art, sure lets just abolish it all :rolleyes:

bigpink

Stuff like Art and Music is an interest/hobby...how is chanting going to do anything for the country

senordingdong

smellslikeshoes wrote: »

Could also say the same about music and art or any performing art, sure lets just abolish it all :rolleyes:

DAMN STRAIGHT.

Stupid hippies.

bigpink

Its nice job hunting for extra part time work and then you see a job like this with a salaery of 40 to 50 grand a year:(

Millicent

bigpink wrote: »

Stuff like Art and Music is an interest/hobby...how is chanting going to do anything for the country

Excuse me, me and my bloody English/music degree would beg to differ. What do you reckon, that everyone who goes to go college needs to be an accountant/engineer/IT consultant (no disrespect to any of the above)? Are you just cribbing become someone is monopolising on a niche? Why shouldn't they?

ETA: Just double-checked and it's Gregorian chant. It's not exactly an obscure tradition OP. It's hundreds of years old and a fairly important part of music history and early theory.

bigpink

Millicent wrote: »

Excuse me, me and my bloody English/music degree would beg to differ. What do you reckon, that everyone who goes to go college needs to be an accountant/engineer/IT consultant (no disrespect to any of the above)? Are you just cribbing become someone is monopolising on a niche? Why shouldn't they?

ETA: Just double-checked and it's Gregorian chant. It's not exactly an obscure tradition OP. It's hundreds of years old and a fairly important part of music history and early theory.

By all means do your chanting course but i dont think taxpayers should have to pay for it

Millicent

bigpink wrote: »

By all means do your chanting course but i dont think taxpayers should have to pay for it

We should scrap choirs while we are at. Hang on, what we really should do is burn all fiction, art and musical instruments, just so we get our money's worth. Lousy musicians never brought a cent to this country. :pac:

bigpink

So please tell what this chanting course does for this country?Are you making a living from music?Isnt artists very low tax?

PanchoVilla

OP, didn't you hear? We've been abandoned by the Christian god so now we have to ask those damn pagan gods for help. From what I understand, they like ritual chanting...and human sacrifice. Seeing as you don't agree with the chanting, maybe you'd be a team player and offer yourself up for the sacrifice thing?

MagicMarker

bigpink wrote: »

So please tell what this chanting course does for this country?Are you making a living from music?Isnt artists very low tax?

Stupid post is stupid.

bigpink

And mean while back in the real world some people are looking for jobs

Millicent

bigpink wrote: »

So please tell what this chanting course does for this country?Are you making a living from music?Isnt artists very low tax?

No, honestly, but a lot of people from my course are, as are people from the years behind me. And just because artists' tax exists, doesn't mean there is no monetary value in performance. That's a basic economic mistake to make. Revenue from ticket sales, travel to venues, entertaining/feeding oneself before/after.

And the idea that that a course has to have some intrinsic value to the tax revenue to be considered worthwhile expenditure is ridiculous, even by AH standards. Also, as you seem to be failing to notice, this Gregorian chant course is adding at least a €40,000 job to the economy which will fuel tax revenue and spending, at least in that one person.

Non-story.

Millicent

bigpink wrote: »

And mean while back in the real world some people are looking for jobs

Yeah, I hear there's a job going for a Gregorian chant lecturer. You should stick in your CV. :pac:

bigpink

Millicent wrote: »

No, honestly, but a lot of people from my course are, as are people from the years behind me. And just because artists' tax exists, doesn't mean there is no monetary value in performance. That's a basic economic mistake to make. Revenue from ticket sales, travel to venues, entertaining/feeding oneself before/after.

And the idea that that a course has to have some intrinsic value to the tax revenue to be considered worthwhile expenditure is ridiculous, even by AH standards. Also, as you seem to be failing to notice, this Gregorian chant course is adding at least a €40,000 job to the economy which will fuel tax revenue and spending, at least in that one person.

Non-story.

Outside of the job mentioned id love to see the figures for running the whole course
Hopfully it be cut and the money spent on a least something needed by general public
Ask any normal regular person and i bet ya very few would consider this good value for money

bigpink

The posters that dont see my view come across as the type that look down on normal working people

Millicent

bigpink wrote: »

Outside of the job mentioned id love to see the figures for running the whole course
Hopfully it be cut and the money spent on a least something needed by general public
Ask any normal regular person and i bet ya very few would consider this good value for money

Are you messing? That's it. I've decided you're messing. And on the off-chance you're not, I'm now going to read every post of yours in the style of a Gregorian chant.

bigpink

Millicent wrote: »

Are you messing? That's it. I've decided you're messing. And on the off-chance you're not, I'm now going to read every post of yours in the style of a Gregorian chant.

So you really think this is good value to the taxpayers?

Millicent

bigpink wrote: »

The posters that dont see my view come across as the type that look down on normal working people

Hahahahaha! Yes, really, we do. Because it's impossible for someone from the working class to go to university in this country. That is... Wait, big revelation... Unless they benefit from the tax-funded education. And just so you know, up on your high horse there, I worked a minimum wage job throughout my pointless course to pay my way and am unemployed for the first time since I was 15 -- so more than a decade. But don't let facts get in the way of a nice bit of stereotyping.

Carry on.

Naos

Millicent wrote: »

Also, as you seem to be failing to notice, this Gregorian chant course is adding at least a €40,000 job to the economy which will fuel tax revenue and spending, at least in that one person.

??

Where do you think this €40,000 is coming from?

Millicent

bigpink wrote: »

So you really think this is good value to the taxpayers?

What did you do in college, bigpink? Let's all decide whether your course is good value for money. Protip -- just because you don't understand something, doesn't mean it has no inherent value.

Millicent

Naos wrote: »

??

Where do you think this €40,000 is coming from?

The university system. Do we stop paying all lecturers that don't teach a "practical subject" then? Whether it comes from tax/fee revenue, that money still gets funneled into the economy through taxes, purchases and other expenditure.

bigpink

Millicent wrote: »

Hahahahaha! Yes, really, we do. Because it's impossible for someone from the working class to go to university in this country. That is... Wait, big revelation... Unless they benefit from the tax-funded education. And just so you know, up on your high horse there, I worked a minimum wage job throughout my pointless course to pay my way and am unemployed for the first time since I was 15 -- so more than a decade. But don't let facts get in the way of a nice bit of stereotyping.

Carry on.

I really cant see how a chanting course should be payed for by taxpayers
I didnt question that you worked but can see how normal people would well looking for jobs when they see a job like this advertised,come on like:(
Why are calling your course pointless?

CreepingDeath

bigpink wrote: »

Its nice job hunting for extra part time work and then you see a job like this with a salaery of 40 to 50 grand a year:(

€40k-€50k is nothing, sure I won't get out of bed for anything less than €70k, and sometimes not even then.

I don't think you've any idea how much people really make.

Moist Bread

Just posting to say this thread makes me want to kill myself.

bigpink

Millicent wrote: »

What did you do in college, bigpink? Let's all decide whether your course is good value for money. Protip -- just because you don't understand something, doesn't mean it has no inherent value.

Ive 2 years done of a business course and being honest ive learned more working,if i stayed for another 2 years id be broke
Only useful thing was the accounting

Millicent

bigpink wrote: »

I really cant see how a chanting course should be payed for by taxpayers
I didnt question that you worked but can see how normal people would well looking for jobs when they see a job like this advertised,come on like:(
Why are calling your course pointless?

I was calling it pointless to be facetious. And do you get pis.sed off at banks offering management positions because they pay well, even though banks have effed up immensely? I just think your rage is channeled in the wrong direction here.

bigpink

CreepingDeath wrote: »

€40k-€50k is nothing, sure I won't get out of bed for anything less than €70k, and sometimes not even then.

I don't think you've any idea how much people really make.

Have you a job going so

jimthemental

Do you actually think this is a bad waste of money? Go down to UL and have a walk around, the amount of capital put in there over the last few years could have bailed out the banks. They're getting money privately as well but Don Barry and his cronies have squandered a serious amount of cash down there. Some of the investment is justified but then I just take a look at the presidents house or the living bridge and it makes my blood boil. All of this and they can't seem to reform some of the courses, especially the science ones for the benefit of the students and industry.

bigpink

Millicent wrote: »

I was calling it pointless to be facetious. And do you get pis.sed off at banks offering management positions because they pay well, even though banks have effed up immensely? I just think your rage is channeled in the wrong direction here.

Banks have been covered in plenty of threads,i posted made to make people aware of wasted money.The country may not change today but we have to hope change comes in the future

Millicent

bigpink wrote: »

Ive 2 years done of a business course and being honest ive learned more working,if i stayed for another 2 years id be broke
Only useful thing was the accounting

So should that course be scrapped because you don't see the benefit of it? Others might be getting some from it, but you're not so should it be done away with? You can't measure the value of all things by your standards. Other people will get different benefit from different things.

And just as an aside, the Limerick course is incredible well regarded by musicians.

bigpink

jimthemental wrote: »

Do you actually think this is a bad waste of money? Go down to UL and have a walk around, the amount of capital put in there over the last few years could have bailed out the banks. They're getting money privately as well but Don Barry and his cronies have squandered a serious amount of cash down there. Some of the investment is justified but then I just take a look at the presidents house or the living bridge and it makes my blood boil. All of this and they can't seem to reform some of the courses, especially the science ones for the benefit of the students and industry.

Yes i do think its a waste of money.And i agree 100% with the other things you said im just pointing out this particluar waste

Millicent

bigpink wrote: »

Banks have been covered in plenty of threads,i posted made to make people aware of wasted money.The country may not change today but we have to hope change comes in the future

Okay, this is a circular argument. Do we cut all art and music funding then because they're all a waste of money?

Naos

Millicent wrote: »

The university system. Do we stop paying all lecturers that don't teach a "practical subject" then? Whether it comes from tax/fee revenue, that money still gets funneled into the economy through taxes, purchases and other expenditure.

In your own words, you seem to be failing to notice:

Also, as you seem to be failing to notice, this Gregorian chant course is adding at least a €40,000 job to the economy which will fuel tax revenue and spending, at least in that one person.

Fuel tax revenue and spending - You're making it out that we are getting money from this person, whereas if we didn't pay the 40k in the first place, we would be better off.

At the moment, 40k on a gregorian chant lecturer is a ridiculous waste of money.

Moist Bread

I get out of bed to urinate. I do wish there was a bag with 50k in it by the top of the stairs, however.

I also wasted money on a pack of Jonnie Onion Rings yesterday - I didn't finish them. I should have given the 70cent to Brian Lenihan

bigpink

Millicent wrote: »

So should that course be scrapped because you don't see the benefit of it? Others might be getting some from it, but you're not so should it be done away with? You can't measure the value of all things by your standards. Other people will get different benefit from different things.

And just as an aside, the Limerick course is incredible well regarded by musicians.

Id rate business alot more than a chanting course
Music to any normal person is hobby/past time shur if my dad is out of work next year he should go to a chanting course come get real

Millicent

Naos wrote: »

At the moment, 40k on a gregorian chant lecturer is a ridiculous waste of money.

Says you. As I said, it's a fairly elemental part of music theory and history that must be learned for a complete understanding of later musical theory. By your logic, the whole course is a waste of money. If the fundamentals are a waste, there's no point in learning any of it.

bigpink

Millicent wrote: »

Okay, this is a circular argument. Do we cut all art and music funding then because they're all a waste of money?

I think a temporary cut would be no harm.They can make money for chanting courses but music courses for special needs get cut

Millicent

bigpink wrote: »

Id rate business alot more than a chanting course
Music to any normal person is hobby/past time shur if my dad is out of work next year he should go to a chanting course come get real

It's a hobby/past time to you -- not to the working musicians that courses like that produce. You're honestly saying that no one ever has an income from music?

jimthemental

bigpink wrote: »

Yes i do think its a waste of money.And i agree 100% with the other things you said im just pointing out this particluar waste

Ya well you'd be right, Gregorian chanting would be up there as one of the more ridiculous courses/modules I've heard of below. What kind of view are ULSU taking or has this been made into an issue below there yet?

Millicent

bigpink wrote: »

I think a temporary cut would be no harm.They can make money for chanting courses but music courses for special needs get cut

Oh, Christ. Just

Hank_Jones

Let all us Arts Degree holders rise up against the injustice of this thread!

Shakespeare is spinning in his grave.
Rodney Dangerfield too.

prinz

bigpink wrote: »

While looking through jobs.ie i found this gem
How the hell does this benefit us?
http://www.jobs.ie/ApplyForJob.aspx?Id=1065695

I think you'll find if you had any clue about the place at all that the WAMD in UL attracts students from all over the world who pay a small fortune for the privilege of studying things such as ritual chanting there. It's probably one of the few areas of the University turning a handsome profit. Good to see a load of people with no idea about the centre or the people involved demand change without putting an ounce of bloody thought into it.

Millicent

prinz wrote: »

I think you'll find if you had any clue about the place at all that the WAMD in UL attracts students from all over the world who pay a small fortune for the privilege. It's probably one of the few areas of the University turning a handsome profit.

Prinz, I was gonna make a point about attracting foreign students but I wasn't sure if it was the case. Thanks for that.

bigpink

prinz wrote: »

I think you'll find if you had any clue about the place at all that the WAMD in UL attracts students from all over the world who pay a small fortune for the privilege. It's probably one of the few areas of the University turning a handsome profit.

Well i hope so,cause i dont want to be paying for it
No problem with it is thats the way its run

KingMambo26

bigpink wrote: »

Id rate business alot more than a chanting course
Music to any normal person is hobby/past time shur if my dad is out of work next year he should go to a chanting course come get real

I'm sure Bono & Co. will agree with you

And while we're at it why not cut off all spending on Spelling and punctuation education since they don't add any value to the economy.

Moist Bread

I am in the middle of composing a slap bass odyssey, just you wait till it's finished. It will unite all of Ireland in the spirit of FUNK.

Millicent

bigpink wrote: »

Well i hope so,cause i dont want to be paying for it
No problem with it is thats the way its run

But it's pointless, isn't it? Just because it's profitable, it's valid now in your eyes? That's kind of depressing.

bigpink

If taxpayers arent paying for it let them chant away,people can do what they like when they pay for it,id tell them myself go for it:)
Yeah im sure Bono pays huge taxes here

ClutchIt

bigpink wrote: »

So please tell what this chanting course does for this country?

WTF?! What does any course do for a country? Finance or accounting or whatever doesn't matter a shít, depends on who you work for. If you worked for Anglo then you ruined the fúcking country. If you practiced chant then you brought happiness to people who like to hear chanting...

This is the saddest thread I've seen a long while

jimthemental

Millicent wrote: »

But it's pointless, isn't it? Just because it's profitable, it's valid now in your eyes? That's kind of depressing.

I wouldn't see it necessarily as pointless just because some people are opposed but the wage here does not match the job. Even if this is a profitable department they could be more efficient and profitable if they did not throw money away like this.