Another €80 a month off me, property TAX !!

niallers1 · 11-11-2010 12:09PM

mack81 wrote: »

Absolute f***ing disgusting c**ts. The "Owner Occupiers" statement is unbelievable. It really sounds like they are going to leave the landlords with multiple properties alone.

If I was in a position to emigrate i think i would.

They're hoping you will emigrate. Their figures are based on 45,000 people leaving the country each year.

Shenshen · 11-11-2010 12:11PM

mossym wrote: »

they shouldn't

at the same time, we shouldn't have to pay them NOT to do these things either

What, you're paying them not to provide water and not to take the bins away?

wolfpawnat · 11-11-2010 12:13PM

Dr.Silly wrote: »

WOW, incredible,
I wonder how differently you'd speak if you were in the position of so many other people.
Fair play to you for been so knowledgable.

I said in one of my posts that I feel for everyone in a bad position, which is most people to be honest. But I am sick of people attacking those of us who only joined the SW within the last 12-18 months as though we are all scumbags only after a "dossers" life.

I feel most sorry for people with families, who have loss one or both their jobs and have everything to pay. Bills, Mortgages, School gear everything!

Diapason · 11-11-2010 12:13PM

That's great. Great! I assume this extra €80 will come from after tax earnings? Maybe I could pay VAT on it too, just for one extra layer of taxation.

mossym · 11-11-2010 12:13PM

Shenshen wrote: »

What, you're paying them not to provide water and not to take the bins away?

the point being made earlier in the thread was that this tax was being used to pay for local authorities to provide these services.

so yes, i am paying my own bins, plus my own water...

so if we take that idea that this tax will pay local authorities, then yes, i would be paying them not to provide these things

sometimes it pays to read the whole thread before you jump into arguments

Snakeblood · 11-11-2010 12:14PM

Dr.Silly wrote: »

WOW, incredible,
I wonder how differently you'd speak if you were in the position of so many other people.
Fair play to you for been so knowledgable.

He's saying everyone should bear some burden. I don't see how that's such a horrible thing to say.

Auvers · 11-11-2010 12:16PM

wolfpawnat wrote: »

We are already going to be taking a hit of at least half that, its not my fault you HAD to get on the property ladder!!!.

balls I don't consider my house as being on some kind of ladder, and oh it my fault for having a job and wanting to have a home for my pregnant wife being prudent in saving for a deposit and being the only one working as my wife cant find a job and the social is giving us fcukall , aye tis all the ordinary working peoples fault for wanting a basic human right

Dr.Silly · 11-11-2010 12:18PM

Snakeblood wrote: »

He's saying everyone should bear some burden. I don't see how that's such a horrible thing to say.

So I'm 4 monts behind my mortgage,
No tax on the car,
3 kids, Married, both lost our jobs.

I should still bear the burden and hand over an other 80 quid for other peoples f*ck ups.

Diapason · 11-11-2010 12:20PM

It's clear from some of the smug responses in this thread that we need a rental tax, randomly applied to tenants for no particular reason at all.

Shenshen · 11-11-2010 12:22PM

mossym wrote: »

the point being made earlier in the thread was that this tax was being used to pay for local authorities to provide these services.

so yes, i am paying my own bins, plus my own water...

so if we take that idea that this tax will pay local authorities, then yes, i would be paying them not to provide these things

sometimes it pays to read the whole thread before you jump into arguments

As I understand, nobody in Ireland apart from businesses pays for their water yet. Yes, you will have to pay if the infrastructure to transport the water from the edge of your propery to your front door gets damaged, but you're not paying for the water itself.

From what I can tell, councils are doing an awful lot as it is without any direct taxes going towards those services. I really, honestly don't see the harm in a dedicated tax like this.

Snakeblood · 11-11-2010 12:23PM

Dr.Silly wrote: »

So I'm 4 monts behind my mortgage,
No tax on the car,
3 kids, Married, both lost our jobs.

I should still bear the burden and hand over an other 80 quid for other peoples f*ck ups.

Yeah. Because everyone has to. I don't see why I should pay for other people's **** ups, but guess what, I am.

Everyone wants to point at everyone else and say 'why don't they pay?'

In a perfect world, I'd still have my job, I wouldn't have a baby in a one bed apartment, the economy wouldn't have **** itself and there'd be enough money to go around. But there isn't.

I've the world of sympathy for you, but you're hardly in the worst position in the world. It's far from the best, definitely, but it's also not the worst.

wolfpawnat · 11-11-2010 12:24PM

Auvers wrote: »

balls I don't consider my house as being on some kind of ladder, and oh it my fault for having a job and wanting to have a home for my pregnant wife being prudent in saving for a deposit and being the only one working and my wife cant find a job and the social is giving us fcukall , aye tis all the ordinary working peoples fault for wanting a basic human right

A basic human right is a roof over your head, not buying a house.

I have to live in a sh!te 2 bed apartment in Dublin with my ex and our son because we cannot afford for him to move out! I have to stay in a room with my son who is nearly 2. His cot takes up most of the room!

I get SW for me and my son only. So my ex is a drain on me. He is in college and cannot contribute to his son. I cannot find a job as we live in the middle of nowhere because we cannot afford to live in town. I am supposed to go back to college in January but probably will have to drop out because I will not be able to afford creché and if fees come in I am totally fúcked.

Do not try for one second to tell me of financial hardship and being terrified of where the money is supposed to come from. I am in it myself and I cannot even have the security of having my own home!

Just stop attacking those of us on SW, not all of us are scumbags and before this recession happened I was working and paying taxes. I had worked since I was 15! After school and weekends. I am NOT some scumbag riding the system. You would rather other property owners like yourself, who are on harder times than you, to be cut MORE money than you rather than help with the burden that we are ALL feeling!

Auvers · 11-11-2010 12:27PM

SamSamSammy wrote: »

thats right, get someone else to do it, take the hit, someone else do it should be irelands catchphrase.

I am already paying more than my fair share in taxes and having been doing so for the best part of 15 years and i didn't go for trips to New York or spend my cash of trivial things during the Celtic tigers years,

no I saved and didn't get involved in get rich quick property schemes but yet I am expected to bail out corrupt politicians and there property developer mates

wolfpawnat · 11-11-2010 12:28PM

Dr.Silly wrote: »

So I'm 4 monts behind my mortgage,
No tax on the car,
3 kids, Married, both lost our jobs.

I should still bear the burden and hand over an other 80 quid for other peoples f*ck ups.

We are all paying for other peoples fúck ups. As the slogan by some left wing group say 1% of the population, 34% of the wealth.

Is it fair, of course not. I don't want anyone in the country who did not put it in this situation to have to pay, but it is the way it is. We all have to bite hard and accept that no matter what we do, we will not

a) do something about the developers who fúcked us all over
b) stop the government from looking after themselves.

Diapason wrote: »

It's clear from some of the smug responses in this thread that we need a rental tax, randomly applied to tenants for no particular reason at all.

We are already paying the mortgages of property hungry animals!

Dr.Silly · 11-11-2010 12:29PM

Snakeblood wrote: »

Yeah. Because everyone has to. I don't see why I should pay for other people's **** ups, but guess what, I am.

Everyone wants to point at everyone else and say 'why don't they pay?'

In a perfect world, I'd still have my job, I wouldn't have a baby in a one bed apartment, the economy wouldn't have **** itself and there'd be enough money to go around. But there isn't.

I've the world of sympathy for you, but you're hardly in the worst position in the world. It's far from the best, definitely, but it's also not the worst.

You're right, it's not the worst,
I think when the house gets taken from me in 3 months time, it might be though.
But hey, I won't have an 80 euro bill to pay each month then.

Run_to_da_hills · 11-11-2010 12:30PM

anniehoo wrote: »

:eek: You must be loaded. €80 extra on top of every other bill i have to pay is a huge amount every month.

Im only quoting another poster.

wolfpawnat · 11-11-2010 12:34PM

Auvers wrote: »

I am already paying more than my fair share in taxes and having been doing so for the best part of 15 years and i didn't go for trips to New York or spend my cash of trivial things during the Celtic tigers years,

no I saved and didn't get involved in get rich quick property schemes but yet I am expected to bail out corrupt politicians and there property developer mates

In my life the furthest I have been is London and stayed in my ex's sisters apartment. I do not have a phone that even rings half the time because I cannot afford to get one that does. I have only taken out one loan in my life and I was working at the time so I had it paid off in no time. I got it to repeat my LC and get a good college course.

I do not have a car, I did not learn to drive, I wore a €12 dress to my sons christening.

I have never been a property developer and I am not a politician. I am suffering too, we all are. But we have to keep going because if we don't our children will have less than what we have now!

Auvers · 11-11-2010 12:35PM

wolfpawnat wrote: »

Just stop attacking those of us on SW, not all of us are scumbags and before this recession happened I was working and paying taxes. I had worked since I was 15! After school and weekends. I am NOT some scumbag riding the system. You would rather other property owners like yourself, who are on harder times than you, to be cut MORE money than you rather than help with the burden that we are ALL feeling!

I am not attacking SW recipients, the dole needs means tests need to reassessed not just a blanket €200 a month and i never said you where a scumbag riding the system, how you got that from me saying reduce the dole I don't know

again why should I apologize for being prudent and saving to buy a house

I already pay taxes and have always but I don't have anymore to give as 80 a month is a huge amount to my family at the moment

phil1nj · 11-11-2010 12:36PM

As a low-middle income PAYE worker let me work this out*: 80quid a month from your net take home pay I'm suspecting. So depending on how you much are paid per hour you would end up having to work approx. between 4 and 7 hours a month to pay for this. So thats between 48 and 84 hours a year which is over a week , two weeks if you're not that well paid .This is on top of all the hours you work to pay for your other unavoildable outgoings: mortgage, house running costs, education costs, fuel costs, PRSI income tax and levies etc , you get stung for this as well as paying for the luxury of putting a roof over your families head. Simple solution, cut everybodies holiday entitlement in half. Problem solved.

**** that!

*loose calculation, probably wrong, too depressed to worry about it!

wolfpawnat · 11-11-2010 12:36PM

Dr.Silly wrote: »

You're right, it's not the worst,
I think when the house gets taken from me in 3 months time, it might be though.
But hey, I won't have an 80 euro bill to pay each month then.

A friend of my ex that is now on the SW and is only paying the interest on his mortgage until he gets a job. Can you discuss such terms with your provider?

The banks do not want your house because they know they cannot sell it as there is no market there for it. Be firm but reasonable with them and see where it gets you.

WalterMitty · 11-11-2010 12:36PM

Pay up OP. How can we keep our public servants amongst best paid in world if you dont pay up?

mossym · 11-11-2010 12:37PM

Shenshen wrote: »

As I understand, nobody in Ireland apart from businesses pays for their water yet. Yes, you will have to pay if the infrastructure to transport the water from the edge of your propery to your front door gets damaged, but you're not paying for the water itself.

From what I can tell, councils are doing an awful lot as it is without any direct taxes going towards those services. I really, honestly don't see the harm in a dedicated tax like this.

common pump for the few houses around me from an underground spring, electricity for the pump is paid for by us, was installed by us...the enclosure for the pump was paid for by us

if you can tell me how the local authority is involved here then i'd be well impressed

i have no poblem paying the tax if the services are provided, but if no services are provided, and we pay it ourselves, then why would the tax be paid

my argument is based on the issue of saying this is to pay for the services the local authority provides, where in many cases, they haven't taken over the maintanance of estates. we pay for
our water
our bins
grass cutting
repairs to the street lighting

all maintanence/landscaping is done by us

i have no issues paying for any of these.

if you then tell me that i need to pay my property tax so that the local authorities can provide these services, then great, i'll pay it gladly as long as they take over the running of these. if not, then what am i paying for?

if we pay the property tax, and the local authorities aren't going to provide these services, then let's not delude ourselves with the idea that this charge is to pay for the local authorities, and accept the fact that it is another revenue gatherer for the govt to repay the baling out of the banks

Auvers · 11-11-2010 12:38PM

wolfpawnat wrote: »

I have never been a property developer and I am not a politician. I am suffering too, we all are. But we have to keep going because if we don't our children will have less than what we have now!

wtf are you ranting at me for

I made a heat of the moment comment, I am not one of these smug fcukers who thinks the dole should be just slashed in the budget, I think a new look at the ways its means tested with supplements given out to people like yourself who need it

bad2dabone · 11-11-2010 12:40PM

There are a lot of angry people, and the thing is we're getting angry with each other, when we need to be pulling together as a people to try and get a fair and just system for us all. I've no problem paying a water charge based on the water I use. Or a charge for services, based on usage. I've a major problem paying a property tax. Especially when those who thought that they would get rich buying other houses to rent to others are exempt. We all know that this money isn't going to improve services, its going to pay the interest on the billions borrowed to pay for the treacherous bankers indulgences. And not one has faced justice for the damage they've done to this country.

I hope its things like this that cause us to unite as a people and put a system in place that's equitable for all.

Diapason · 11-11-2010 12:40PM

wolfpawnat wrote: »

We are already paying the mortgages of property hungry animals!

You're paying my mortgage now? That's a load off, cheers!

Dr.Silly · 11-11-2010 12:40PM

wolfpawnat wrote: »

A friend of my ex that is now on the SW and is only paying the interest on his mortgage until he gets a job. Can you discuss such terms with your provider?

The banks do not want your house because they know they cannot sell it as there is no market there for it. Be firm but reasonable with them and see where it gets you.

The answer is no,
I won't get into my personal situation,
but let's just say I'm been absolutely screwed over by the state because I was self-employed before.
As I said, I won't get into the details....but no...am snookered to say the least.
And to be honest I don't give a damn so long as the kids are ok, which they are, and will be.
F8ck this country as far as I'm concerned.

Run_to_da_hills · 11-11-2010 12:45PM

Honestly I couldn't see justification to anyone living on one of these unfinished ghost estates paying this tax. Badly planned, inadequate sewage, poor or no street lighting, hazardous surroundings for their children etc.

wolfpawnat · 11-11-2010 12:45PM

Auvers wrote: »

I am not attacking SW recipients, the dole needs means tests need to reassessed not just a blanket €200 a month and i never said you where a scumbag riding the system, how you got that from me saying reduce the dole I don't know

again why should I apologize for being prudent and saving to buy a house

I already pay taxes and have always but I don't have anymore to give as 80 a month is a huge amount to my family at the moment

Auvers wrote: »

wtf are you ranting at me for

I made a heat of the moment comment, I am not one of these smug fcukers who thinks the dole should be just slashed in the budget, I think a new look at the ways its means tested with supplements given out to people like yourself who need it

I apologize if I lost the rag, I am just sick of being tossed in with all the "Jacinta's" in their pajamas bottoms in the welfare office demanding more payments for their 5 kids by 5 fathers! Believe me after a week or two you decide to defend yourself.

I am not saying for one second that €80 a month is an easy sum of money for a one income family to pay (unless your a GP or something, then screw you and pay!) We are all up sh!t creek and the worst part is, a lot of us are looking around thinking "how the fúck did I get here. I didn't do anything stupid!"

I do feel for those who will be caught by property tax and as I said, if it does come in, it should be based on house value or something. A person with a 3 bed semi D in Waterford should NOT be paying the same as some ahole on Ailesbury road whose house is worth €4million!

wolfpawnat · 11-11-2010 12:48PM

Diapason wrote: »

You're paying my mortgage now? That's a load off, cheers!

Thats a stab at my less than lovely landlady living in Dalkey with her 5 rental properties scattered around the South Dublin area. B!tch!!!! (her, not you!!!)

Nijmegen · 11-11-2010 12:50PM

So, let me summarise for a moment:

€80 a month, taken after you've already paid your income taxes etc (neat touch, thank you government, tax on tax)
Based on your property valuation, not your circumstances - negative equity? Tough. On the breadline? Screw you. No means testing
Landlords are exempt...?

Look, I agree with a property tax, but as per f'ing usual our government will do it in the most unfair and regressive manner possible. Same with water charges. And they've been planning this for a while now, but have they done any ground work to make sure they can do it right? Course not.

Eejits.

Another €80 a month off me, property TAX !!

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