Another €80 a month off me, property TAX !!

Dr.Silly

I don't know where to post this.

ROBBING, THIEVING, M*THER F*CKING govenerment..
who don't have a damn clue what they doing.

Each week a new figure is coming out on how much the country is in debt.
Home owners now face a fookin property tax, to raise another 1 Billion.

I give it another couple of months before this country is officially over 100 Billion in the **** !!!!!!!!!!!!!

dory

Do we not have a Recession or even a This Country is Fcuked forum yet??

racso1975

Yeah it's called afterhours

Lu Tze

Dr.Silly wrote: »

I don't know where to post this.

ROBBING, THIEVING, M*THER F*CKING govenerment..
who don't have a damn clue what they doing.

Each week a new figure is coming out on how much the country is in debt.
Home owners now face a fookin property tax, to raise another 1 Billion.

I give it another couple of months before this country is officially over 100 Billion in the **** !!!!!!!!!!!!!

Solution: Sell your house thus avoiding the €80/m tax.

No need to thank me.

digme

Dr.Silly wrote: »

I don't know where to post this.

ROBBING, THIEVING, M*THER F*CKING govenerment..
who don't have a damn clue what they doing.

Each week a new figure is coming out on how much the country is in debt.
Home owners now face a fookin property tax, to raise another 1 Billion.

I give it another couple of months before this country is officially over 100 Billion in the **** !!!!!!!!!!!!!

why r u paying exactly?

Dravokivich

Pif.. don't be so silly...

galwayrush

I probably won't have it to spare unless i stop feeding the kids for a few days each month. Hmm, better put the kids first. If i don't have it, i can't pay it.

Gyalist

Those of us who own businesses already pay huge rates for relatively few services - plus cardboard tags, waste tags, water rates, etc - while many homeowners think that they should continue to freeload. Your local authority provides services that need to be paid for so quit your whining and make your contribution to the cost of these services.

Rabidlamb

Those on the dole wont have to pay it.
Right, I'm taking the redundancy & going on the scratch.
I'll probably break even saving the childcare & 2nd car costs.

bonerm

It's always going to be expensive to live in one of the best countries in the world.

Now if you'll excuse I have to stand by the radiator for a while to dry all the rain out of my trousers.

Twin-go

Gyalist wrote: »

Those of us who own businesses already pay huge rates for relatively few services - plus cardboard tags, waste tags, water rates, etc - while many homeowners think that they should continue to freeload. Your local authority provides services that need to be paid for so quit your whining and make your contribution to the cost of these services.

What services do they provide?

Just as an example, in the estate I live in.

• I have to pay to have my bin collected
• I had to pay for a water pipe that burst under my driveway in January (and pay to have the drive-way repaired)
• All the neighbours had to take it in turns to cut the common area grass - It was cut once in april and once in September by the council
• Neighbours and I had to plant trees and flowers
• Neighbours and I had to paint a wall that the local teens scribbled on (Several times):mad::mad:

Retrovertigo

Gyalist wrote: »

Those of us who own businesses already pay huge rates for relatively few services - plus cardboard tags, waste tags, water rates, etc - while many homeowners think that they should continue to freeload. Your local authority provides services that need to be paid for so quit your whining and make your contribution to the cost of these services.

Moronic statement of the day.

MarkR

Retrovertigo wrote: »

Moronic statement of the day.

Just because you disagree with someone, doesn't make their views moronic.

Businesses are paying a lot (I presume anyway, they're always giving out about it), and it does only seem fair that the cost is spread out amongst more people.

I think if they do move towards this tax, then they should be getting rid of stamp duty completely. Not sure have they talked about that, have they?

Wile E. Coyote

MarkR wrote: »

I think if they do move towards this tax, then they should be getting rid of stamp duty completely. Not sure have they talked about that, have they?

How exactly would that benefit the thousands of homeowners struggling to pay their bills at the minute? Will they get a refund of the stamp duty they've paid?

PanchoVilla

Dr.Silly wrote: »

I don't know where to post this.

ROBBING, THIEVING, M*THER F*CKING govenerment..
who don't have a damn clue what they doing.

Each week a new figure is coming out on how much the country is in debt.
Home owners now face a fookin property tax, to raise another 1 Billion.

I give it another couple of months before this country is officially over 100 Billion in the **** !!!!!!!!!!!!!

Any link to this? Is it a tax on the primary residence or tax for secondary properties?

Cookie_Monster

80 quid a month is feck all, lower than I thought they do. I fully support this measure. Look at England, council tax is much higher than that. Granted you do get your bins collected without charge but that's about it.
once again though it unfairly target the working middle class, no-one on welfare will have to pay it, why not, even at a reduced rate?

Twin-go wrote: »

What services do they provide?

• All the neighbours had to take it in turns to cut the common area grass - It was cut once in april and once in September by the council
• Neighbours and I had to plant trees and flowers
• Neighbours and I had to paint a wall that the local teens scribbled on (Several times):mad::mad:

you don't have to do any of that...

This is what happens when Ranting and Raving goes private with no links.

Most ranters don't want to fiddle about with access getting granted, so they look for the next available target.

After Hours.

The ranter gets his satisfaction, while, for the rest of us, it's....

"WTF? another moan?"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DCZEXmpSMOI

Lu Tze

Twin-go wrote: »

What services do they provide?

Just as an example, in the estate I live in.

• I have to pay to have my bin collected Do you expect somebody else to pay for your bins to be collected?
• I had to pay for a water pipe that burst under my driveway in January (and pay to have the drive-way repaired) This is your responsibility, same as if the internal plumbing burst, its your propoerty why should anybody else pay for it ?
• All the neighbours had to take it in turns to cut the common area grass - It was cut once in april and once in September by the council And how much are ye paying them to cut it?
• Neighbours and I had to plant trees and flowers Thats your decision, why should th council eb picking up the tab
• Neighbours and I had to paint a wall that the local teens scribbled on (Several times):mad::mad: Thats your decision, why should th council eb picking up the tab, especially if its your neighbours sons and daughter defacing the wall

And people admonish the sense of entitlement in the public sector...

digme

Cookie_Monster wrote: »

80 quid a month is feck all, lower than I thought they do. I fully support this measure. Look at England, council tax is much higher than that. Granted you do get your bins collected without charge but that's about it.
once again though it unfairly target the working middle class, no-one on welfare will have to pay it, why not, even at a reduced rate?



you don't have to do any of that...

englands a sh!thole, bad comparison

Cookie_Monster

digme wrote: »

englands a sh!thole, bad comparison

where do you want me to compare to on our level, Nigeria?
England is a million times better than here

digme

Cookie_Monster wrote: »

where do you want me to compare to on our level, Nigeria?
England is a million times better than here

are you out of your mind?

cowhands

I would also like to know where you are getting this figure from? Is there any links?

PanchoVilla

PanchoVilla wrote: »

Any link to this? Is it a tax on the primary residence or tax for secondary properties?

Anyone? Where is this coming from? Links would be nice.

Cookie_Monster

digme wrote: »

are you out of your mind?

so why is England so bad then in comparison to here?

Dr.Silly

PanchoVilla wrote: »

Anyone? Where is this coming from? Links would be nice.

http://www.independent.ie/business/personal-finance/property-mortgages/homeowners-face-paying-euro80amonth-property-tax-2415844.html

PanchoVilla

The average amount of the tax would be €950 a year, and it would only be imposed on owner occupiers.

Owner occupiers? So landlords who own fifteen properties won't have to pay tax on any of them? This really is fúcking ridiculous. If any property tax is imposed, it should be for secondary properties, not a primary residence. Landlords have got away with paying fúck all for years now. I seriously think FF really wants us to just storm the Dáil and drag them out by their neck ties.

Edit: I'm not even a homeowner and this pisses me off. Bunch of fúcking ****. :mad:

Dr.Silly

PanchoVilla wrote: »

Owner occupiers? So landlords who own fifteen properties won't have to pay tax on any of them? This really is fúcking ridiculous. If any property tax is imposed, it should be for secondary properties, not a primary residence. Landlords have got away with paying fúck all for years now. I seriously think FF really wants us to just storm the Dáil and drag them out by their neck ties.

Edit: I'm not even a homeowner and this pisses me off. Bunch of fúcking ****. :mad:

well f*cking put sir.

bad2dabone

F*ckers, i'm 200k in negative equity, hit with recent rate increases which increased my mortgage by 160 a month from an institution that the government gave 5.7bn of our money to. I'll be sick to my stomach having to hand this out. That's if i can spare it, which at the moment I don't think I can.

skelliser

Another attack on the middle class.

Does the magical money tree grow in their back gardens?

And its based completely on valuation!
doesnt consider life circumstances, personal debt, health etc
astonishing!!


There should be an organised campaign to stop or not pay such a tax.

Dr.Silly

skelliser wrote: »

Another attack on the middle class.

Does the magical money tree grow in their back gardens?

:eek: you mean you don't have one !!

mack81

Absolute f***ing disgusting c**ts. The "Owner Occupiers" statement is unbelievable. It really sounds like they are going to leave the landlords with multiple properties alone.

If I was in a position to emigrate i think i would.

LETHAL LADY

ESRI should change their name to ERI everything they come up with is for economic purposes I have yet to hear a social plan from them.

mossym

Lu Tze wrote: »

And people admonish the sense of entitlement in the public sector...

so once this property tax comes in, the local authorities will suddenly be properly financed and they will be doing these things?

if you believe that i have a piece of string to sell you

i don't expect them to do those things for me, but at the same time i don't expect to pay them money, still have them not do it, and pay for it anyway myself

this idea that this money is going to pay for services from the local authority is ridiculous, in most cases people are paying for the services themselves already, and will continue to do so after this tax comes in

Dr.Silly

Things are going to get VERY violent very soon in my opinion.
It's going to get like Germany and France, and worst.

Dempo1

A complete Bollox of a notion in an already crisis hit housing market. Doing the maths based on the limited info available, i doubt the government will collect a fraction of what is predicted.

A. 450k unemployed and i have no doubt a high percentage of same are on SW and therefore will be exempt.

B. 35,000 Mortgages already in arrears (the true figure is nearer 100,000)

C. Those who paid stamp duty will be apparently exempt until the amount paid Tally's with the proposed amount to be charged.

D. Its property valued based, so based on the enormous amount of negative equity, how the **** are they going to work this one out

E. Who the **** is going to pay for the valuations in the first place, most of us are broke as it is.

Jesus wept, what next! Tent city's? Seems to me the people who will be hit hardest with this new tax are the Banks seen as they will likely be holding the keys to massive repossessions in 2011.

ch750536

At least the TD's are looked after, they increased the contribution to their pension fund last week.

Makes me feel all warm inside knowing they will be fine.

shazzad01

not sure about u but i will be refusing too pay it and so should the rest of da country we have too stain up too these thugs :mad:

Wagon

That's right. Add ANOTHER tax on those already struggling! Then add another after that. than no doubt after everything improves, KEEP the tax you greedy shower of ****ing *****. Hit the hard working public but ****in freeze your already ridiculously high wages.

Come on 2011, hurry the **** up!!! get me the hell out of here.

Bottle_of_Smoke

Dr.Silly wrote: »

Things are going to get VERY violent very soon in my opinion.
It's going to get like Germany and France, and worst.

As bad as worst? that's an awful sh*thole. Full of filthy work shy Worstastanis

La Haine

MarkR wrote: »

Just because you disagree with someone, doesn't make their views moronic.

Businesses are paying a lot (I presume anyway, they're always giving out about it), and it does only seem fair that the cost is spread out amongst more people.

I think if they do move towards this tax, then they should be getting rid of stamp duty completely. Not sure have they talked about that, have they?

Enough tax is being paid by the middle class.
We all know where should be hit next.

Amhran Nua

This is a bad idea. To the poster who said businesses already collect rates, so what, most of the LA funding already comes from central government which is funded by, you guessed it, taxpayers. And they'd have a hell of a lot more money to spend if they didn't continue to purchase properties from their builder buddies/supporters for social and affordable that end up more expensive than what's already available on the open market, upwards of a third of local authority budgets in many cases.

All this for a few percent of the deficit.

Still it does underline what I was saying earlier, you won't see people looking up from the parish pump in this country until they personally start getting hit in the pocket.

newbie2

It's a load of BS.

It's an "idea" from the ESRI which the government are "considering". As reported by the independent.


/thread

ilovesleep

How the fcuk does this government think taxing the nation will fix the recession? It will lead to people having less money to spend, therefore more businesses closing down, which will lead to more unemployment. How will they fix that? More tax?

PanchoVilla wrote: »

Owner occupiers? So landlords who own fifteen properties won't have to pay tax on any of them? This really is fúcking ridiculous. If any property tax is imposed, it should be for secondary properties, not a primary residence. Landlords have got away with paying fúck all for years now. I seriously think FF really wants us to just storm the Dáil and drag them out by their neck ties.

I see where you are coming from here but surely this will hurt hard for landlords too. My landlord saw that apartments were needed in the area and he went about building an apartment block and provided homes for so many people.

Twin-go

Lu Tze wrote: »

And people admonish the sense of entitlement in the public sector...

Sence of entitlement? My house-hold pays over €20,000 a year in one form or tax or another. What do I get in terms of services from my local autority? Thats what I am asking. If I', going to be paying another €1,000+ on top of that I wan't to know what I will get. Where is the value for money?

Edit: after quick calculation its closer to €30,000 my household pays in taxes

Craven99

Sure tis a gas country when we are as broke as can be with a fortune in oil just off our coast......

Run_to_da_hills

Cookie_Monster wrote: »

80 quid a month is feck all, lower than I thought they do. I fully support this measure. Look at England, council tax is much higher than that. Granted you do get your bins collected without charge but that's about it.
once again though it unfairly target the working middle class, no-one on welfare will have to pay it, why not, even at a reduced rate?



you don't have to do any of that...

80 quid is feck all but it is the foot in the door, like every other form of tax and charge that has hit this country in the past it will soar in every upcoming budget.

For those of us that can remember the introduction of VAT, Outpatients fees, refuse charges, etc these have all started out small but eventually become prohibitive.

phasers

Cookie_Monster wrote: »

80 quid a month is feck all

No it isn't.

80 euro a month is an esb biill, a heating bill, new shoes for the kids.

PanchoVilla

ilovesleep wrote: »

I see where you are coming from here but surely this will hurt hard for landlords too. My landlord saw that apartments were needed in the area and he went about building an apartment block and provided homes for so many people.

Landlords won't have to pay a penny. From what I can understand from the article, this tax will only apply to owner-occupiers, which means only on the primary residence. Landlords will have to pay the tax on their own home but will be exempt from all their rental properties. I guess we'll have to wait and see what the government says about this. As someone already said, this is just a suggestion the government is considering, but I wouldn't put it past them.

anniehoo

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

80 quid is feck all

:eek: You must be loaded. €80 extra on top of every other bill i have to pay is a huge amount every month.

BENDYBINN

Of course we must pay property tax
Sombody has to pay for all the foreigners living here Huge dole and free houses. The govt pays excessively high rent allowances just to keep propety prices up

CortezTheKiller

Dempo1 wrote: »

D. Its property valued based, so based on the enormous amount of negative equity, how the **** are they going to work this one out

They're going to make the homeowner pay a auctioneer to do the valuation, of course!!