Teacher murdered on night out...sentences of 5 and 4 years

Precious flower · 08-11-2010 11:42PM

It's disgraceful, what they did was just brutal savagery, just looking for a fight and his poor girlfriend was with him when it happened imagine having to watch that, Jesus.:(

Misanthrope · 08-11-2010 11:43PM

angelfire9 wrote: »

They were not convicted of murder it was manslaughter

If the victim was your father,would you feel the need for a pedantic legal clarification.

It's manslaughter to the team of scumbag lawyers defending Mr 64 convitions.

To the victims family and anyone who wishes for a decent society it's murder.

CrazyRabbit · 09-11-2010 12:00AM

ScienceNerd wrote: »

What is the maximum sentence for manslaughter does anyone know?

About 10 years less than what it should be.

ShamoBuc · 09-11-2010 12:42AM

Social welfare fraudster gets 18 months - kick a fella to death add a couple of years -go figure.

Little Acorn · 09-11-2010 01:04AM

drkpower wrote: »

Manslaughter is essentially unlawful killing without an intention to kill. But it can still attract a life sentence and it beggars belief that these two guys with serious prior convictions, one of whom kicked the guy in the head while unconcious, could have escaped a higher sentence.

Exactly. You can get sentenced to life even for manslaughter in Ireland.
[off the top of my head I know the fella who killed melissa mahon got life for manslaughter], so I don't know why they got such little jail time.

yizorselves · 09-11-2010 01:04AM

Some amount of scum in this country.

Drink, drugs and being dragged up

Terry · 09-11-2010 01:10AM

nlgbbbblth wrote: »

I thought it was only middle class / upper class / rich people that got light sentences for manslaughter.

Oh wait....:rolleyes:

Nah, they just got to their teachers in Blackrock college, say how bad they feel and then walk away scot free.

Little Acorn · 09-11-2010 01:15AM

Terry wrote: »

Nah, they just got to their teachers in Blackrock college, say how bad they feel and then walk away scot free.

If I remember correctly, some of those guys went to speak to their principal and got a letter from him, BEFORE going to the guards. I think it was in that documentary about it.

charlemont · 09-11-2010 01:16AM

Its a disgrace, there was no history between the parties either so for a stranger to end up dead and his attackers to only get charged with manslaughter and receive useless sentences, its crazy.

Yet look at the guy in another part of Clare today and contrast the difference in the murder charge and sentence..

GLaDOS · 09-11-2010 01:20AM

Merzbow wrote: »

I suppose it is "societys" fault they killed him :rolleyes: Seriously no matter how left-wing or liberal you are, can anyone even remotely justify these sentences

I was wondering when the aimless liberal bashing would arrive

angelfire9 · 09-11-2010 01:33AM

bigpink wrote: »

Its murder.Its nice of you to stick up for the scum

Not sticking up for anyone just stating facts

Pembily wrote: »

They are scum bags, this is very well know around the area and Brian was kicked and brutally beaten and he couldn't fight back and he wasn't a fighter anyway!!! He was a nice guy and he was just in the wrong place at the wrong time!!!

Ennis is gone so sh!tty and scary lately, pure knacker hole, it is just shocking!!! It was murder as they went out with the intention of causing harm and hurt (the victim didn't matter)- therefore it was MURDER!!!!

So sad, another tragedy of our justice system!!! The judge followed the law - if he had given them longer sentences they would have appealed and used free legal aid to probaly get off scott free :mad::mad:

I presume you are from clare? As am I
I didn't know of the Dinan's before this case as it happens

As for it being murder they were not found to have the "mens rea" for murder "guilty intent" only manslaughter

medicman2009 wrote: »

A) Victim is struck by a punch, falls to the pavement striking his head = Manslaughter, his death was unintentional.

Victim lies unconscious and helpless on the ground, where he is then viciously attacked again. = Murder, the attacker demonstrated clear and obvious willful intent to cause further serious harm to his defencless victim.

Unfortunately, quite often the law and the judiciary dont' do cop on! These scum will serve half their sentence at best. In fact, I often think the bigger your criminal record is, the more rights you seem to have in this country.

Counsel for the defence would argue that they didn't intend to kill only to seriously injure hence the manslaughter plea

charlemont wrote: »

Its a disgrace, there was no history between the parties either so for a stranger to end up dead and his attackers to only get charged with manslaughter and receive useless sentences, its crazy.

Yet look at the guy in another part of Clare today and contrast the difference in the murder charge and sentence..

I assume you are referring to Lesley Kenny in Kilrush?
Different kettle of fish, the accused reloaded the shotgun that shows intent to kill
If he only wanted to injure the first 2 shots were enough

amacachi · 09-11-2010 01:38AM

uberwolf wrote: »

presumably they couldn't prove premeditation. As in that they intended to kill that particular person, and planned their attack with that outcome in mind.

Kicking someone in the head when they're on the ground is pre-meditation as far as I'm concerned.

angelfire9 wrote: »

Counsel for the defence would argue that they didn't intend to kill only to seriously injure hence the manslaughter plea

In that case the prosecution should just argue that it makes no sense that Chewbacca lives on Endor. He's a Wookie from Kashyyyk yet he lives on Endor surrounded by 2 foot tall Ewoks. That does not make sense. Therefore they should get life in prison.

Pet · 09-11-2010 01:47AM

Sounds like a case for Dexter...

yizorselves · 09-11-2010 01:50AM

The law is a big hairy sweaty ass on this one.

Intending to seriously hurt someone and then they end up dead should be treated as murder.

Lets say I only intend to break a guys neck causing him to be paralysed. But he ends up dead. By law I shouldnt get done for murder because all I intended to do was leave the chap in a wheelchair. Punching and kicking an unconscious person in the head is a sure way to cause severe brain damage or death.

Fvck the law on this bring in vigilante groups and take out the vermin.

marxcoo · 09-11-2010 01:59AM

Second degree murder.... except it doesn't exist here. Think the sentencing is generally 10-25 years.
This case is technically manslaughter but I think manslaughter incorporates far too much.

Predalien · 09-11-2010 02:11AM

angelfire9 wrote: »

Counsel for the defence would argue that they didn't intend to kill only to seriously injure hence the manslaughter plea

The intent requirement for murder is an intent to kill or an intent to cause serious injury, I don't see why this attack shouldn't be seen as murder.

aDeener · 09-11-2010 02:13AM

snyper wrote: »

Sack the Judge. Cool.

Then give them life.

Then have the case taken to a higher court and brought back down to the original sentance because the evidance proved manslaughter not Murder.

The law is tested with every case thats taken, these are the parameters he as a judge had to deal with.

It tastes bad, but thats that.

Im angry, but the law and its parameters are the wat they are for a reason, ironically to protect the innocent. As i said its the length of time they get in jail that is ****ty, but that takes law reform. Judge afaik cant do it

and by god is that what is badly badly needed here.

aDeener · 09-11-2010 02:14AM

ScienceNerd wrote: »

I was wondering when the aimless liberal bashing would arrive

and it didnt arrive with the post you quoted

:rolleyes:

TheBunk1 · 09-11-2010 02:20AM

Absolute disgrace, but sadly it's the norm in this country so I don't know why we are really surprised. Making matters worse one of these animals was out on bail for another offence and the other guy was on parole ( I'm open to correction on this). They'll probably serve 2-3 years and be free to beat some other innocent guy to death.

charlemont · 09-11-2010 02:21AM

Harry himself is a picture of scum, coated in cheap indian ink tattoos, with a Nike logo tattoo on his neck, some neck allright...

Several years back Harry shared a prison cell with another young fool whos case made headlines in 2000, John Tangney of Killarney who was jailed for knocking down and killing a man on a scooter...

DOC09UNAM · 09-11-2010 02:24AM

And people complain about other's leaving this country?

It's a fúcking joke, the economy is fúcked, the judicial system is fúcked, the banks are fúcked, the weather is shít, the social aspect of the country is fúcked, almost everything in this country is fúcked, even the educational system.

If I didn't have family and friends here, I would be gone tomorrow.

angelfire9 · 09-11-2010 09:17AM

Misanthrope wrote: »

If the victim was your father,would you feel the need for a pedantic legal clarification.

It's manslaughter to the team of scumbag lawyers defending Mr 64 convitions.

To the victims family and anyone who wishes for a decent society it's murder.

There was insufficient evidence for a manslaughter conviction whether we like it or not that is the fact of the matter

Spouting hyperbole about it is not going to change the facts

As for the "scumbag lawyers" again whether we like it or not every accused is entitled to a reasonable defence

I would like to think that I would count among those that wish for a decent society
I'm the daughter of a cop and the wife of a cop so I listen to moans & complaints about the legal system every day of the week

BUT at the moment the system we have is the one that we have to live with

If it makes anyone feel any better there is supposed to be a judicial review of our sentencing for murder/manslaughter to bring us in line with the US model which allows for degrees of murder

bigpink · 09-11-2010 09:29AM

Justice for Brian Casey RIP
Please email story link and outline your disgust at the sentence plus the need of law reform in Ireland to as many public reps you can good people of boards.ie

These guys are murderers nothing less

Raiser · 09-11-2010 09:48AM

Says here the Judge involved was Carroll Moran - In my opinion lots of unbelievable Newspaper articles seem to feature his name towards the end of the text......

- What message does it send out to the rest of the Scumbags? Kill People on our Streets and we'll give you a dainty little smack on your wrists?

bigpink · 09-11-2010 09:52AM

His name and Judge Tom o Donnell seem to crop up alot in Limerick for very light sentences and in some cases none at all

FatherLen · 09-11-2010 09:58AM

Harry Dinan, who has 64 previous convictions

should be hung, not jailed for five years

bigpink · 09-11-2010 10:03AM

Can anyone give me ideas of people that could be emailed this link

Bottle_of_Smoke · 09-11-2010 10:03AM

This is horrific. Does anyone know much about the case? Given one guy on temporary release and the other on bail why was the judge so leniant?

I don't want a liberal bashing answer, was it made out to be an accident or something?

bigpink · 09-11-2010 10:08AM

Would be interesting to see the any cctv of the event?
Is there anywhere you could get any public records of the court case etc?

bigpink · 09-11-2010 10:12AM

http://www.rte.ie/news/2010/1108/caseyb.html#video

Watch their big scummy smug heads coming out of the court,hopfully they hang themselves or overdose on drugs while locked up out of guilt

Teacher murdered on night out...sentences of 5 and 4 years

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