Teacher murdered on night out...sentences of 5 and 4 years

bigpink · 08-11-2010 08:03PM #1

:mad::mad:This made me sick to hear on the news today
http://www.rte.ie/news/2010/1108/caseyb.html

If someone could find a link for the news on the RTE player and just look at the scummy,smug heads on the murderers as they leave court so people know how bad justice is in this country

K4t · 08-11-2010 08:10PM

Kevin Dinan struck Mr Casey in the face and head as he lay unconscious on the ground.

Harry Dinan, who has 64 previous convictions and who was on temporary release from prison at the time of the incident, was given a five-year prison sentence.

Kevin Dinan, who has 17 previous convictions and who was on bail at the time of the offence, was given four years in prison.

Sack the judge tbh.

angelfire9 · 08-11-2010 08:13PM

They were not convicted of murder it was manslaughter

Wibbs · 08-11-2010 08:14PM

You hear a lot of guff about bad Gardai in this country and IME its mostly untrue, but we hear or complain less about the utterly daft buggers we have as judges. It's not juts one either, it's a lot of them.

bigpink · 08-11-2010 08:14PM

Its murder.Its nice of you to stick up for the scum

Wibbs · 08-11-2010 08:15PM

angelfire9 wrote: »

They were not convicted of murder it was manslaughter

So bloody what? They kicked an innocent man to death on the street. 5 years, 4 years? For Gods sake that is utter madness. :mad:

Hazys · 08-11-2010 08:16PM

No matter how bad the economy is or how bankers/developers raped the country or how corrupt our politicians are...nothing angers me more than hearing of scum getting sentences like that. :mad::mad::mad:

Wolfe Tone · 08-11-2010 08:16PM

I wouldnt be so quick to blame the Judges tbh, most likely following the letter of th law

zuroph · 08-11-2010 08:17PM

FFS

the purple tin · 08-11-2010 08:18PM

Does anyone know the specifics of why they were charged with manslaughter and not murder?

sock puppet · 08-11-2010 08:19PM

bigpink wrote: »

Its murder.

Except it isn't.

AckwelFoley · 08-11-2010 08:20PM

Wibbs wrote: »

You hear a lot of guff about bad Gardai in this country and IME its mostly untrue, but we hear or complain less about the utterly daft buggers we have as judges. It's not juts one either, it's a lot of them.

Interpretation of the law.

The Judge can only hand down a certain sentance based on precident.

This was judged as mansalughter based on the evidence.

The problem is not with the Judge, the problem is that our laws needs increased sentances for Manslaughter and murder and other crimes that i can think of.

In the US of A, manslaughter or not, these little turds would never see daylight again

Spudmonkey · 08-11-2010 08:20PM

MUSSOLINI wrote: »

I wouldnt be so quick to blame the Judges tbh, most likely following the letter of th law

The law is a joke. How the hell are two guys with 64 convictions and 17 convictions even walking the street?

mikemac · 08-11-2010 08:20PM

bigpink wrote: »

Its murder.Its nice of you to stick up for the scum

Manslaughter, you wouldn't get a murder conviction for this.

BillShorey · 08-11-2010 08:20PM

My God, how many ****ing convictions must one clock up to be taken off the streets here?

64 previous and he gets 5 years? I hope that judge experiences the horror the people he's letting free on our streets (basically) are inflicting on people. What an utter farce. Those lads deserve chemical castration and to never see freedom again. What the hell is wrong with the judges in this country?

uberwolf · 08-11-2010 08:21PM

the purple tin wrote: »

Does anyone know the specifics of why they were charged with manslaughter and not murder?

presumably they couldn't prove premeditation. As in that they intended to kill that particular person, and planned their attack with that outcome in mind.

Tech3 · 08-11-2010 08:21PM

Those two convicted are pure scum, have been convicted of other crimes previously. It's a fcuking disgrace theyll be out in a few years and kicking in more people walking the streets of Ennis or wherever. It's makes me sick the way these cnuts get away with this shít.

themandan6611 · 08-11-2010 08:21PM

a shocker and disgracful sentences - they should both have received 15- 20 years.

The law is pants, out-dated, the criminals have all the rights, the judges live in cuckoo world.

This was murder - the man was murdered, fu&ck the actual charge - its a fooking joke & the 2 fuc*ers should burn instead they'll be out in a few years to continue with their reign of crime adn suffering to others :mad:

Pembily · 08-11-2010 08:22PM

They are scum bags, this is very well know around the area and Brian was kicked and brutally beaten and he couldn't fight back and he wasn't a fighter anyway!!! He was a nice guy and he was just in the wrong place at the wrong time!!!

Ennis is gone so sh!tty and scary lately, pure knacker hole, it is just shocking!!! It was murder as they went out with the intention of causing harm and hurt (the victim didn't matter)- therefore it was MURDER!!!!

So sad, another tragedy of our justice system!!! The judge followed the law - if he had given them longer sentences they would have appealed and used free legal aid to probaly get off scott free :mad::mad:

bigpink · 08-11-2010 08:24PM

sock puppet wrote: »

Except it isn't.

A man on on night out walking along minding his own business and 2 men attack him...come on like.If it happened to you and me what would our families call it?

drkpower · 08-11-2010 08:25PM

Manslaughter is essentially unlawful killing without an intention to kill. But it can still attract a life sentence and it beggars belief that these two guys with serious prior convictions, one of whom kicked the guy in the head while unconcious, could have escaped a higher sentence.

jackiebaron · 08-11-2010 08:26PM

So let me get this straight. A guy from the Congo who claims dole while working gets banged up for 18 months and would have been canned for 36 months (that's THREE YEARS) if he had not been so cooperative. Also I believe he had no priors.
These cnuts have over EIGHTY prior CONVICTIONS between them, they kill a guy for nothing and they get 4 and 5 years?

Fcukin' Banana Republic!

GLaDOS · 08-11-2010 08:28PM

What is the maximum sentence for manslaughter does anyone know?

CoalBucket · 08-11-2010 08:28PM

Wibbs wrote: »

You hear a lot of guff about bad Gardai in this country and IME its mostly untrue, but we hear or complain less about the utterly daft buggers we have as judges. It's not juts one either, it's a lot of them.

+ 1. I'd like to add the DPP to that too though. Constantly bargaining with defence lawyers to get a conviction even if it means a lesser charge and sentence. I'm no expert but it just can't be coinsidence.

Cantona's Collars · 08-11-2010 08:29PM

The human rights advocates would be crying in the streets if they were jailed for life,we should have a 3 Strikes policy in the country for certain crimes and take the scum off the streets.No thought of the victims human rights when he was being kicked to death on the street.:mad:
Something similar happened down my way and nobody was convicted even though the dogs in the street knew who did it and the truth over what happened.

AckwelFoley · 08-11-2010 08:31PM

BillShorey wrote: »

My God, how many ****ing convictions must one clock up to be taken off the streets here?

64 previous and he gets 5 years? I hope that judge experiences the horror the people he's letting free on our streets (basically) are inflicting on people. What an utter farce. Those lads deserve chemical castration and to never see freedom again. What the hell is wrong with the judges in this country?

The deserve castration, and the jusge and most of it would love to make sure he got it, but he cant order it. We're not in Saudi Arabia (unfortunatley or not)

So making those wishes about the judge is unfair

AckwelFoley · 08-11-2010 08:33PM

bigpink wrote: »

A man on on night out walking along minding his own business and 2 men attack him...come on like.If it happened to you and me what would our families call it?

Murder is what we would probably call it but the law may not.

After the evidence is heard, manslaughter is what may be decided.

The difference between manslaughter and murder is intent, intent may only be for a few seconds before the crime.

My name is URL · 08-11-2010 08:35PM

K4t wrote: »

Sack the judge tbh.

+1.. although, afaik there is no framework in place for being able to do so. Judges are appointed by and can only be removed by the President, and she has never stepped in nor is likely to.

I raised this issue on the Politics forum in the past and the only replies were from people stating that the separation of powers is too important to have the pres step in and sort the judicial system out. What a load of schite that is.. if those worried about the separation of powers were on the receiving end of serious crimes they wouldn't be long changing their tune

the purple tin · 08-11-2010 08:35PM

Is there any way that the victims family could call for some sort of investigation into the short sentences, why was the judge so lenient given their past history etc?

Rabble Rabble · 08-11-2010 08:39PM

the whole manslaughter - murder debate is pointless. he should get 20 years for manslaughter.

AckwelFoley · 08-11-2010 08:42PM

My name is URL wrote: »

+1.. although, afaik there is no framework in place for being able to do so. Judges are appointed by and can only be removed by the President, and she has never stepped in nor is likely to.

I raised this issue on the Politics forum in the past and the only replies were from people stating that the separation of powers is too important to have the pres step in and sort the judicial system out. What a load of schite that is.. if those worried about the separation of powers were on the receiving end of serious crimes they wouldn't be long changing their tune

Sack the Judge. Cool.

Then give them life.

Then have the case taken to a higher court and brought back down to the original sentance because the evidance proved manslaughter not Murder.

The law is tested with every case thats taken, these are the parameters he as a judge had to deal with.

It tastes bad, but thats that.

Im angry, but the law and its parameters are the wat they are for a reason, ironically to protect the innocent. As i said its the length of time they get in jail that is ****ty, but that takes law reform. Judge afaik cant do it

Teacher murdered on night out...sentences of 5 and 4 years

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