Limerick could have new single authority in place by 2012

Limerick_Lass · 02-09-2010 12:53am #1

The new authority they are hoping to form to replace the city and county councils could be here within two years. It will have some input from Clare also. Limerick will then become Irelands 3rd largest city. How do ye think this will effect the city and county?

I personally don't see its going to help tackle the many varied problems that Limerick City currently faces. By all means amalgamate the pointless and useless county councils in the region. But Limerick City needs it's own strong governing body given the complexity of the issues. Seems to be a cop out to me!

Amazotheamazing · 02-09-2010 1:11am

Limerick_Lass wrote: »

The new authority they are hoping to form to replace the city and county councils could be here within two years. It will have some input from Clare also. Limerick will then become Irelands 3rd largest city. How do ye think this will effect the city and county?

I personally don't see its going to help tackle the many varied problems that Limerick City currently faces. By all means amalgamate the pointless and useless county councils in the region. But Limerick City needs it's own strong governing body given the complexity of the issues. Seems to be a cop out to me!

Such as?

I think it could be very good for the region, or very poor for the region.

I don't think the issues are massively complex tbh. We know how to solve most of them.

Limerick_Lass · 02-09-2010 1:25am

IMO We should be looking at a regional authority with a strong city council. It will mean Irelands 3rd largest city will have no city authority. It's weak and indecisive governance that has got us into the current mess which I believe is a mess, just look at the city center. If we can solve it so easily... why isnt it solved?!
Maybe and hopefully Im wrong and a new stucture will exercise the change thats needed.

Mc Love · 02-09-2010 7:33am

As long as the city council are given no responsibilities - I would be in favour

dave 27 · 02-09-2010 9:58am

How in the name of god does it take 2 years to literally sign some names here and there for the boundary to be extended when they were trying to do this for the last decade or so?

anyway this will be brilliant for Limerick, the city will now be of more economic importance than galway and even waterford with this extension.
Meaning Limerick will be nearly first in line in terms of better ficilities, health care ie expencive hospital machines, funding etc.

munstergirl · 02-09-2010 1:36pm

When (if) it happens we will have shops in crescent/childers rd paying rates to city instead of county.
Hopefully because more rates are coming in, they might go down. And it can be money to be spent on whole of city. It might even improve.

Cookiemunster · 03-09-2010 12:22am

Just saw the report posted by justnotbothered on Archiseek .

http://limericklgc.ie/wp-content/upl...-Sept-2010.pdf

Main points of the report :-

One authority covering city, county plus the city parts of Clare.
City boundry extended to cover Raheen/Dooradoyle, Castletroy, Clare part of city.
Directly elected mayor to serve for 5 years.

Soulcrew09 · 03-09-2010 3:09am

Someone in Clare is upset, they have been busy all day putting Clare GAA flag on all the street lights on the main road just over the bridge by Shannon banks.

Its like Belfast in the 80's, Nurenburg in the 30's, Clare in the 00's oh wait...:)

Now I know their minors are in the final Sunday, and I do believe a lot of Clare GAA jerseys are getting their first ironing since '97 but how much of this is got to do with that? hardly a flag to be seen for their '21's last year.

molard · 03-09-2010 8:32am

they sure are.pascal on clare fm talking about all that clare coco are doing in the area but not nameing any. empty words as usually.

Limerick_Lass · 03-09-2010 8:41am

What are the opinions I wonder of the people living in these specific areas of Corbally, Shannon Banks ect.?

Kernunos · 03-09-2010 8:47am

There is an article written about this in the Limerick Entertainment Guide for september thats pretty good, mostly talking about how the divide artificially exacerbates the perception of Limerick as a bad place to live. It can be found here on page 21

http://www.eightball.ie/onlinemag/

molard · 07-09-2010 1:15pm

Limerick_Lass wrote: »

What are the opinions I wonder of the people living in these specific areas of Corbally, Shannon Banks ect.?

don't know where u live in limerick .fyi corbally is part of limerick city.i don't know why you would want their opinion.

dave 27 · 07-09-2010 3:32pm

According to one of those links published above, the population of the immediate Metropolitan area is 98,989. Id love to know what it is now, and if nearby areas like mungret etc was included what it would be

Limerick_Lass · 07-09-2010 4:18pm

molard wrote: »

don't know where u live in limerick .fyi corbally is part of limerick city.i don't know why you would want their opinion.

Westbury is in Corbally??

munstergirl · 07-09-2010 4:24pm

There is an invisible line between corbally (limerick) westbury (clare).

Limerick_Lass · 07-09-2010 4:30pm

munstergirl wrote: »

There is an invisible line between corbally (limerick) westbury (clare).

But my friends address is Westbury, Corbally, Co. Clare

Well, I didnt mean to offend anyone! It seems to be a very delicate matter :rolleyes:

munstergirl · 07-09-2010 4:37pm

If you put westbury co clare, (without the corbally). post would probably get lost.

kiersm · 07-09-2010 4:47pm

AFAIK once you over the bridge into Shannon banks you're in Clare that's why Clare Co Co put a sub office in the Westbury Centre to pay for car tax etc.

TestTransmission · 07-09-2010 4:48pm

kiersm wrote: »

AFAIK once you over the bridge into Shannon banks you're in Clare that's why Clare Co Co put a sub office in the Westbury Centre to pay for car tax etc.

That's what I thought.

topper75 · 17-09-2010 10:14am

Just saw on the RTE news site that we have seized parts of Tipp as well. On with the blitzkrieg I say! Lebensraum fur der Limerickermenschen! We will rule Ireland with an iron fist (or maybe a Munster rugby spongehand).

http://www.rte.ie/news/2010/0917/newport.html

A man in his 60s, who sparked off a search yesterday after he stole a car with a baby in the back, is due in court later today.
The car, with the six-month-old boy in the backseat, was taken from a street in Newport in Co Tipperary at around 3pm yesterday afternoon.
It was abandoned a short time later on the outskirts of Nenagh town.
The baby was uninjured and reunited with his parents.

Gardaí later arrested a man in Birdhill in Limerick and he is due to appear before Nenagh District Court this morning.

Those jackeen geography teachers don't bate kids half hard enough.

Limerick_Lass · 17-09-2010 10:19am

topper75 wrote: »

Just saw on the RTE news site that we have seized parts of Tipp as well. On with the blitzkrieg I say! Lebensraum fur der Limerickermenschen! We will rule Ireland with an iron fist (or maybe a Munster rugby spongehand).

http://www.rte.ie/news/2010/0917/newport.html

Those jackeen geography teachers don't bate kids half hard enough.

This may have to be moved to the Tipp forum!!

molard · 08-10-2010 7:55am

anyone know about the public rally in westbury on sunday 10 oct. is it the residents running it or outside interests

kilburn · 08-10-2010 1:36pm

never heard of it to be honest. Well they have already colonised half the bridge and claimed it for Clare so we should blow our half

Soulcrew09 · 09-10-2010 9:27pm

molard wrote: »

anyone know about the public rally in westbury on sunday 10 oct. is it the residents running it or outside interests

A group only known as CABE (Clare against boundry extention) are running it, who they are or where exactly their from is a mystery. They failed to leave any contact details on the leaflets they delivered to all the houses around me (Westbury)

I really dont have the time to read every bit of rubbish that comes in my door these days, however I did catch lines such as 'Whats the real agenda' and 'increase in insurance' just before it got fecked into the bin along with flyers from Super Value, some takeaway, and the Local.

Soulcrew09 · 09-10-2010 9:29pm

kilburn wrote: »

never heard of it to be honest. Well they have already colonised half the bridge and claimed it for Clare so we should blow our half

Why dont they have their rally at 9am on the Monday morning when half of Clare is trying to cross that bridge into Limerick to be employed and educated?

Blazer · 09-10-2010 9:33pm

Limerick_Lass wrote: »

By all means amalgamate the pointless and useless county councils in the region. But Limerick City needs it's own strong governing body given the complexity of the issues. Seems to be a cop out to me!

the useless county councils?
What about the city council who squandered €50 million of taxpayers money on a court case they were always going to lose? And the fact that Tom Mackey who were in charge of this fiasco is still the city manager?
If I was you have a nice look around Limerick city, maybe talk to a few shopkeepers and see exactly what they think of the city council...I suggest words like muppets, useless bástards will be mentioned several times.
Limerick city is a disaster because of the decisions of these guys..I'll support boundary extensions when we get rid of all the idiots currently on the city council and replace them with people of a higher IQ who just might know what they're doing.

Blazer · 09-10-2010 9:36pm

topper75 wrote: »

Just saw on the RTE news site that we have seized parts of Tipp as well. On with the blitzkrieg I say! Lebensraum fur der Limerickermenschen! We will rule Ireland with an iron fist (or maybe a Munster rugby spongehand).

http://www.rte.ie/news/2010/0917/newport.html

Those jackeen geography teachers don't bate kids half hard enough.

just so you know ..the article you linked to mentions cappamore...
what it fails to mention is those scum (the infamous McCarthy gang) were part of the regeneration of Limerick city who gave the scum houses in other county towns and wiped their hands off it..

kilburn · 10-10-2010 3:36pm

Has anyone spotted the Portable Road Sign at Westbury. Flashing away proclaiming the existence of Clare against Boundary Extension group. Cathal Crowe must be spending a fortune on this and the flags :rolleyes:

Soulcrew09 · 10-10-2010 10:12pm

Rte reporting up to 1000 people took part, i was there heckling myself and the number sounds about right. Vast majority seemed to come from outside Westbury/SB.

Now 1000 people protested on a dry mild day. 3000 people live in the proposed extention area, and overall 110k people live in Clare.

What does that say?

wingnut · 10-10-2010 10:18pm

Checked it out today. Looks like Parteen GAA are playing a big part and there was a RSF banner too :-o

We shall not, we shall not be moved.....

--amadeus-- · 11-10-2010 9:18am

Soulcrew09 wrote: »

Rte reporting up to 1000 people took part, i was there heckling myself and the number sounds about right. Vast majority seemed to come from outside Westbury/SB.

Now 1000 people protested on a dry mild day. 3000 people live in the proposed extention area, and overall 110k people live in Clare.

What does that say?

Well if 1 in 3 of the people affected by the decision actually gave up a chunk of thier Sunday afternoon to get of thier backsides and do something (rather than sit at a keyboard and moan) then I would suggest that says quite a lot, wouldn't you? It certainly indicates that the majority are against the extension and a substantial number are very strongly opposed.

And what makes you think that the majority were from outside Westbury / SB? I didn't see any address labels on anyone :rolleyes:

PSCS · 11-10-2010 10:33am

kilburn wrote: »

Has anyone spotted the Portable Road Sign at Westbury. Flashing away proclaiming the existence of Clare against Boundary Extension group. Cathal Crowe must be spending a fortune on this and the flags :rolleyes:

FYI - Neither Cathal Crowe or any other political representitive spent a penny on either flashing road signs or flags! The Protest held yesterday was held by local people, both from Clare and Limerick, living in the affected areas in the vast majority who do not want the existing boundary to be interferred with! To have up to 1500 marching is a serious number of people who got up off their Sunday Sofa's and is an indication of the discontenet evident in the area in relation to the topic! I met many people at the march who were originally from Limerick County & City and now living in South east Clare who are against the Boundary Extension. The march was not anti Limerick but anti Boundary Extension. For those that took part, there was a great feeling of community spirit evident and this may be the first installment of local protest should Mr.Gormley not take note! The area is in County Clare and there it will stay. (Forgot too mention, it was a public rally so RSF were entitled to be there if they so wished. There was'nt exactly a queue forming to ask them to leave, for reasons clearly evident to those present I'm sure!)

kilburn · 11-10-2010 10:44am

Why did you pick Sunday afternoon?
Who is paying for the flags and sign?
Local residents, I dont think so !
Why Sunday afternoon ?
Why not any morning at 9am or 5:30 pm when ye are all coming to Limerick for jobs and education? You dont want to be part of Limerick City but you are very happy for our fire brigade to put your house fires out ! Didnt hear ye jumping up and down in outrage when RTE reported that savage assault at Applegreen as being Westbury/Shannon Banks Limerick, ye didnt come out screaming that it was part of Clare then.
These rallys are all politically orchestrated because one anti Limeick Councillor is terrifed of losing his seat when the estates are gone into the City.

PSCS · 11-10-2010 11:43am

kilburn wrote: »

Why did you pick Sunday afternoon?
I myself did not pick anything. What I can suggest is that the rally was held at a time which would give it the biggets possibility of getting the local support. I dont know what kind of a job you have, but my own employer would not be mad about people arriving late or leaving early! Im sure this would be the norm in the current econonmic climate. But maybe your employer is different!

Who is paying for the flags and sign?
Flags were erected by Parteen GAA Club in recognition of the Clare Minor hurling team reaching the All Ireland Final 4 weeks ago. The Club had a member on the Panel. In 95 when the Clare Seniors and 97 when the Clare Seniors and Minors reached the All Ireland Finals, the same was done.

The Flashing sign was erected by the organisers of yesterdays rally in order to communicate the information re starting times/place etc., I would presume.

Local residents, I dont think so !
Well, I know so! Were you at the rally? I was! I talked with many people at it including people I had not met previously from Shannon Banks & Westbury! Lets stick to the facts, not your opinion!

Why Sunday afternoon ?
As Answered above!

Why not any morning at 9am or 5:30 pm when ye are all coming to Limerick for jobs and education? You dont want to be part of Limerick City but you are very happy for our fire brigade to put your house fires out !
The protest was against the Boundary extension, not Limerick City or its people. The protest was a peaceful protest and was carried out in that same fashion.
Work - Just to note, many Limerick people have worked in Ardnacrusha power station down the years, as well as those that currently work in the Shannon industrial estate etc. If you are propossing that work is not given to those outside the county boundaries,well its a noval political stance but one Im not too sure will catch on!
Education-Just a reminder that UL is based on both sides of the shannon at the moment. Accomodation and various new faculty buildings are located in Clare. Do you propose that only Clare people use these facilities?
As regards the fire Brigade point, not really valid to be fair. Will that mean that the coast guard helicopter based at Shannon cannot be used outside of Clare? Once again, not a policy you'll gain too much support for! And yes the one statement I will fully agree with in your post, We do not want to be part of Limerick City! That is our choice to make.

Didnt hear ye jumping up and down in outrage when RTE reported that savage assault at Applegreen as being Westbury/Shannon Banks Limerick, ye didnt come out screaming that it was part of Clare then.
The reports I heard myself indicated that the unfortunate incident occured at a filling station in corbally, near Limerick City. Geographically, I would consider this to be correct. The incident in itself was more of a serious issue than any boundary extension. A young mans life was very nearly taken as far as I can remember. For the record, I will publically declare that the location of the attack was at the Apple Green Filling Station, County Clare at the time, County Clare Presently and County Clare in the Future.

These rallys are all politically orchestrated because one anti Limeick Councillor is terrifed of losing his seat when the estates are gone into the City.
Once again this is your opinion and your entitled to your opinion.Altough I was not involved in the organising of the parade, I do know numerous people who were. I can give you a factual statement that no councillor/politician was involved in the organising of the rally. As a matter of fact, they were denied the opportunity to speak at the end of the rally. The only time the rally was addressed was by the chairman of the organising committee who thanked everyone who attended for their support! This was a locally organised rally for a local issue supported by locals! It was not politically orchestrated!

pollypocket10 · 11-10-2010 1:06pm

I seriously doubt that 1/3 of the people affected took part.

I live in SB, My parents in Westbury and my sister also in Westbury. Of the the three households no-one has ever asked US our views on this despite CABE's claims that 90% of the people in these areas don't want the boundary extended.

I've spoken to a lot of my neighbours, and so has my sister & parents & they don't know of one person who took part.

The only 2 people I know who are from the area and took part are involved in the Parteen GAA and totally anti-limerick. It's pure snobbery with a total disregard for the bigger picture!

munstergirl · 11-10-2010 1:15pm

It's pure snobbery with a total disregard for the bigger picture![/QUOTE]

Agree +1. We are all irish as the end of the day.

I would much prefer a thriving limerick, than what my postal address is.

Karmafaerie · 11-10-2010 1:33pm

It really is a ssimple as this.
If it was Galway or Cork, or Dublin city extending into these areas, there would be a fraction of the "outrage".

People in this area will benifit froma stronger local authority.
They just don't like the "name".

Amazotheamazing · 11-10-2010 1:35pm

Parteen GAA club should have no say in the matter.

An administrative boundary is not a sporting one, the GAA can keep the Parteen GAA club in Clare for GAA purposes. This is even dealt with in the report.

Karmafaerie · 11-10-2010 1:47pm

It's scaremongoring Amazo.

They've been using this argument for years now and ignore the fact that they're told over and over again tha it won't effect sporting teams.
Sure isn't there a few clubs in Leinster that this has happened to.

kilburn · 11-10-2010 1:56pm

You was a collective term not meant specifically at you.

If you are so concerned about your employer maybe you should not go on to boards during your work hours, productivity and all that.

At the end of the day a thriving Limerick City is better for the mid west than a struggling one.

I wouldnt want to pin my hopes on Clare Co Co either, the clever people who make people pay to look over the side of a cliff.

Amazotheamazing · 11-10-2010 2:02pm

Karmafaerie wrote: »

It's scaremongoring Amazo.

They've been using this argument for years now and ignore the fact that they're told over and over again tha it won't effect sporting teams.
Sure isn't there a few clubs in Leinster that this has happened to.

Well we live in a time when Galway or Antrim could win a Leinster Hurling title, I don't think the GAA really worries about borders, tbh. Like I said, it's dealt with in the report, there's no need to pretend it's an issue.

pollypocket10 · 11-10-2010 2:14pm

Amazotheamazing wrote: »

Parteen GAA club should have no say in the matter.

An administrative boundary is not a sporting one, the GAA can keep the Parteen GAA club in Clare for GAA purposes. This is even dealt with in the report.

The division of sporting clubs was one of 4 reasons why the boundary shouldn't be extended that was quoted on the leaflet. Aside from the fact that this is dealt with in the report, a division already exists, a lot of the kids play for Abbey Sarsfields GAA (in Limerick) because they train on the grounds of Scoil Ide (again Limerick) where most if not all of the kids from SB & Westbury go to school.

Another reason was higher house & car insurance, no idea where they are getting their info from. The other two have escaped by mind.

What really annoys me though is because these few are making noise, they will probably get their way :mad:

Amazotheamazing · 11-10-2010 2:35pm

pollypocket10 wrote: »

The division of sporting clubs was one of 4 reasons why the boundary shouldn't be extended that was quoted on the leaflet. Aside from the fact that this is dealt with in the report, a division already exists, a lot of the kids play for Abbey Sarsfields GAA (in Limerick) because they train on the grounds of Scoil Ide (again Limerick) where most if not all of the kids from SB & Westbury go to school.

Another reason was higher house & car insurance, no idea where they are getting their info from. The other two have escaped by mind.

What really annoys me though is because these few are making noise, they will probably get their way :mad:

Anyone willing and able to scan the leaflet so we can read it here?

Karmafaerie · 11-10-2010 2:48pm

I think that one of the points was that the evil Limerickers will eat their babies.

molard · 11-10-2010 2:59pm

please quote where u read this point

PSCS · 11-10-2010 3:40pm

Karmafaerie wrote: »

It really is a ssimple as this.
If it was Galway or Cork, or Dublin city extending into these areas, there would be a fraction of the "outrage".

People in this area will benifit froma stronger local authority.
They just don't like the "name".

What we dont like is not the "name", its the fact that an area within the county clare is been transfered into a different county. I couldnt care less if it was Dublin, Cork, Galway, Limerick or Waterford. Yesterday was a protest against the Boundary Extension, not against Limerick! Some people are proud of their heritage, some are not. Obviously those that marched are proud of where they group up or where they now live! Its not snobbery. Do you honestly think that Clare people do not interact with Limerick People, do you think Clare people do not marry Limerick People, Do you not think Clare people are not friendly with Limerick People?? Snobbery would prevent the above. Heritage is something to be proud of and we are proud to say we are Clare people!

Maybe your not fully up to date with similar situations in the country. Ask a Kilkenny person do they mind part of their county becoming part of Waterford City? If you dont have any regard for heritage yourself, there is probably no point I trying to convince you of my concerns. I understand that some see it as not been a big issue but I hope they would appreciate that its a big issue for those in the area!

PSCS · 11-10-2010 3:48pm

Amazotheamazing wrote: »

Well we live in a time when Galway or Antrim could win a Leinster Hurling title, I don't think the GAA really worries about borders, tbh. Like I said, it's dealt with in the report, there's no need to pretend it's an issue.

Are you familiar with coonagh? It was originally part of Co.Clare. The Parish is still Parteen/Meelick/Coonagh! People from Coonagh used to play with Meelick. When the Boundary was extended, those that had played with Meelick continued to do so. The next generation started playing with Limerick clubs and now all hurlers in coonagh hurl with Na Piarsigh in Limerick.

pollypocket10 · 11-10-2010 3:55pm

PSCS wrote: »

What we dont like is not the "name", its the fact that an area within the county clare is been transfered into a different county. I couldnt care less if it was Dublin, Cork, Galway, Limerick or Waterford. Yesterday was a protest against the Boundary Extension, not against Limerick! Some people are proud of their heritage, some are not. Obviously those that marched are proud of where they group up or where they now live! Its not snobbery. Do you honestly think that Clare people do not interact with Limerick People, do you think Clare people do not marry Limerick People, Do you not think Clare people are not friendly with Limerick People?? Snobbery would prevent the above. Heritage is something to be proud of and we are proud to say we are Clare people!

Maybe your not fully up to date with similar situations in the country. Ask a Kilkenny person do they mind part of their county becoming part of Waterford City? If you dont have any regard for heritage yourself, there is probably no point I trying to convince you of my concerns. I understand that some see it as not been a big issue but I hope they would appreciate that its a big issue for those in the area!

I am from the area and I know for a fact that with the two people I mentioned it is snobbery. I've heard from the horses mouths what their opinion on the matter is. They are happy to work, shop, and send their children to school in Limerick but have the L reg on their car or Limerick in their address, not a hope in hell.

You mentioned heritage too :rolleyes: I'd say close to 90% of the people in the area are originally from Limerick. Probably another 4-5% from other counties and about 5% from Clare.

PSCS wrote: »

Are you familiar with coonagh? It was originally part of Co.Clare. The Parish is still Parteen/Meelick/Coonagh! People from Coonagh used to play with Meelick. When the Boundary was extended, those that had played with Meelick continued to do so. The next generation started playing with Limerick clubs and now all hurlers in coonagh hurl with Na Piarsigh in Limerick.

And your point being? People should be able to play for whichever team they choose. Clearly they thought Na Piarsigh was a better option.

PSCS · 11-10-2010 3:59pm

kilburn wrote: »

You was a collective term not meant specifically at you.

If you are so concerned about your employer maybe you should not go on to boards during your work hours, productivity and all that.

At the end of the day a thriving Limerick City is better for the mid west than a struggling one.

I wouldnt want to pin my hopes on Clare Co Co either, the clever people who make people pay to look over the side of a cliff.

I agree fully that a thriving Limerick City is better for the Mid West than a struggling one. What has this really to do with the boundarye extension? Limerick Council is completely strapped for Cash. Its struggling since the pay out to Mr.Whelan! Rates is the big issue for them! I would suggest it gets its own house in order before it interferes with those living outside its control! Limerick City is struggling due to the number of commercial centers in the sourounding areas taking business out of the city, the high business rates within the city, the lack of parking at a reasonable cost within the city and poor planning regarding the "Opera" centre. 1200 houses west of the shannon aint going to sort that for "you"!

Mc Love · 11-10-2010 3:59pm

What about all the residents out there that use Limerick on their address to get their post faster???

PSCS · 11-10-2010 4:05pm

pollypocket10 wrote: »

I am from the area and I know for a fact that with the two people I mentioned it is snobbery. I've heard from the horses mouths what their opinion on the matter is. They are happy to work, shop, and send their children to school in Limerick but have the L reg on their car or Limerick in their address, not a hope in hell.

You mentioned heritage too :rolleyes: I'd say close to 90% of the people in the area are originally from Limerick. Probably another 4-5% from other counties and about 5% from Clare.

And your point being? People should be able to play for whichever team they choose. Clearly they thought Na Piarsigh was a better option.

Please tell me this ia a wum????

Limerick could have new single authority in place by 2012

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