Why do bodybuilders dehydrate themselves before contests?

john_cappa · 09-10-2010 09:19AM

Degsy wrote: »

Look,you obviously havnt a clue what you're talking about.

Is not a dose that anybody would take and expect to get any sort of results..bodybuilders dont take "oral" test..it needs to be injected and in much greater quantities than that.

If you're injecting 500-1000mls of test-e a week for 12 weeks your agression levels are gonna go through the roof..along with your libido and the intensity of your workouts.

Roid rage is not a myth,its very real side-effect,despite what internet-based "studies" might tell you.

Brian he is right. You dont know **** lol

He is right. If you inject a litre of test ever week you will get pretty agressive...........and pretty dead the first day...lol

If it exists can you show some evidence? It is up to you to prove it exists. The burden of proof lies with you.

Roid rage does not exist in the media hyped sense that most refer to it. Obvioiusly they have an effect onn the hormone balance in ones body. Some I heard someone say one was...........

An asshole off gear= bigger asshole on gear.

This is not due to the gear, just due to them being an asshole in the first place.

I thin its pretty apt from my observations.

arybvtcw0eolkf · 09-10-2010 11:52AM

Degsy wrote: »

Look,you obviously havnt a clue what you're talking about.

Of course he doesn't, but don't be getting wound up about it.

FTA69 · 09-10-2010 02:46PM

Is roid rage just a complete myth then? I've known many people who have used stroids and a fair few of them have told me themselves that steroid use (or maybe misuse) led to personality changes which were totally out of their previous character.

Or is it a case that excessive streoid use can simply exacerbate traits one might already have? (A bit like cannabis possibly triggering predispositions to mental illness etc)

Hanley · 09-10-2010 05:21PM

john_cappa wrote: »

An asshole off gear= bigger asshole on gear.

This is not due to the gear, just due to them being an asshole in the first place.

This. Correlation does not prove causation.

The person most likely to take gear on a recreational basis is of a certain type, the type that wouldn't really be the nicest of people start with. And the sort who's probably gonna throw their weight around once they've big enough to back up their talk.

Same with alcohol. If you're a wanker while sober, you're gonna be an insufferable cnut when you're drunk.

arybvtcw0eolkf · 09-10-2010 05:33PM

Hanley wrote: »

This. Correlation does not prove causation.

The person most likely to take gear on a recreational basis is of a certain type, the type that wouldn't really be the nicest of people start with. And the sort who's probably gonna throw their weight around once they've big enough to back up their talk.

Same with alcohol. If you're a wanker while sober, you're gonna be an insufferable cnut when you're drunk.

I don't think it works like that either H.

Hanley · 09-10-2010 05:59PM

Claudia Eager Squalor wrote: »

I don't think it works like that either H.

what... that if you're a loud mouth arsehole before you start taking gear that confidence boost gained from gaining more muscle and size won't make you worse??

The Davestator · 09-10-2010 06:58PM

Hanley wrote: »

This. Correlation does not prove causation.

The person most likely to take gear on a recreational basis is of a certain type, the type that wouldn't really be the nicest of people start with. And the sort who's probably gonna throw their weight around once they've big enough to back up their talk.

Same with alcohol. If you're a wanker while sober, you're gonna be an insufferable cnut when you're drunk.

Can't agree with the part about only arseholes taking gear, I know plenty of good lads who casually do a course or two a year

arybvtcw0eolkf · 09-10-2010 07:29PM

Hanley wrote: »

what... that if you're a loud mouth arsehole before you start taking gear that confidence boost gained from gaining more muscle and size won't make you worse??

Someone will shut it for you!.. Gear can't put muscle on your chin

Some guys react very strongly to testo, increased aggression being one of them. As is an increased libido, some lads get emotional (seriously). Whilst a lot of guys just get big.

Seriously everyone reacts differently to it.

But press the right button and everyone will get aggressive, its just a lot more intense when your up to your titties in testo.

'Roid Rage' - its just a turn of phrase to describe someone who's hyper aggressive from testo and no real science behind it man.

Degsy · 09-10-2010 07:34PM

Claudia Eager Squalor wrote: »

some lads get emotional (seriously).

Especially during PCT...clomid completely fcucks with your emotions and moods.

Degsy · 09-10-2010 07:38PM

brianthebard wrote: »

, read the f-ing thread or stfu.

I am reading the thread and you're saying that roid rage is a myth based on some study or other you read..i'm telling you its not a myth based on actually seeing it in the real world.
If you must read "Studies" on subjects like that,try Carlton Leech's book Muscle..a man who took every illegal drug available and to this day maintains steroids were the most destructive.

Hanley · 09-10-2010 08:07PM

Degsy wrote: »

I am reading the thread and you're saying that roid rage is a myth based on some study or other you read..i'm telling you its not a myth based on actually seeing it in the real world.
If you must read "Studies" on subjects like that,try Carlton Leech's book Muscle..a man who took every illegal drug available and to this day maintains steroids were the most destructive.

I've seen a lot of people take stuff and see how they've reacted to it. I've heard people say they can FEEL creatine hurting their liver too.

My point is, just because someone says something's effected them in a certain way doesn't mean I believe them. A lot of people say the effects that they expect to have, and probably genuinely believe it. Doesn't mean there's a physiological basis for it tho.

That's not to say there WON'T be some effect. I'm sure there can be. I just don't like when people use it as an excuse for being dicks, which I'm sure you'll all admit, some do.

Degsy · 09-10-2010 08:47PM

Hanley wrote: »

My point is, just because someone says something's effected them in a certain way doesn't mean I believe them. A lot of people say the effects that they expect to have, and probably genuinely believe it. Doesn't mean there's a physiological basis for it tho.

Well if somebody tells you they're falling around the place because they've had a bottle of vodka would you not believe them?
Likewise if somebody is having completely out of character mood swings,tantrums and rages and are showing increased levels of agression that they're attributing to taking test i would tend to believe them.

If you've got hundreds of times your normal testosterone levels swishing about in your system the effects on your mood can be very real indeed,and definatley not a placebo as you seem to be suggesting.

Look at teenagers..when thier hormones start kicking in do they not behave differently to when they're children?As the hormones flood the system the effects are visible and noticible..agression and mood swings included.

A lot of people dont know that gear is going to have that effect on them..it often comes as a complete surprise so they'd be far less likely to be hamming it up because they they think they should be behaving in a certain way.

The Davestator · 09-10-2010 08:53PM

Degsy- So, of the thousands of different steroids out there, are you only stating that test creates roid rage ? Or do all steroids cause this incredible hulk effect?

Degsy · 09-10-2010 09:08PM

The Davestator wrote: »

Degsy- So, of the thousands of different steroids out there, are you only stating that test creates roid rage ? Or do all steroids cause this incredible hulk effect?

Dont know everything about the "thousands" of steroids out there..they all have different uses mostly to augment the effects of test or to cut fat or to stop gyno or to get your balls working again after a cycle.

Any strength or size cycle is gonna be based around test so i'd imagine its the one causing the problems..

Khannie · 09-10-2010 09:09PM

Right....I'm too hungover to read this all right now but I'm going to be very clear about this: I expect a level of courtesy in this thread that I don't think is there right now. I'll be going back over it tomorrow so I don't want anyone riling anyone else deliberately or any other rubbish like that.

Thank you. Come again.

JayRoc · 10-10-2010 01:02AM

Degsy wrote: »

Especially during PCT...clomid completely fcucks with your emotions and moods.

Eh....Nope.

Degsy · 10-10-2010 01:39AM

JayRoc wrote: »

Eh....Nope.

Done it have you?

Mellor · 10-10-2010 07:16AM

The Davestator wrote: »

Can't agree with the part about only arseholes taking gear, I know plenty of good lads who casually do a course or two a year

He wasn't saying only asshoels take it, he was saying it that people who take it are more likely to be assholes, than somebody who refuses to take it, DUCY?

Hanley · 10-10-2010 11:42AM

Degsy wrote: »

Well if somebody tells you they're falling around the place because they've had a bottle of vodka would you not believe them?
Likewise if somebody is having completely out of character mood swings,tantrums and rages and are showing increased levels of agression that they're attributing to taking test i would tend to believe them.

If I give 5 people a bottle of vodka each, and 5 people water, and tell them all to drink it as fast as possibe, both groups should react exactly the same to the liquid they drink. THat is one will get pished and puke everywhere, one will be a little more hydrated.

Are you saying if you repeated that with steroids, both groups would have the same effect? What if you told them that they SHOULD be more aggressive afterwards??

Look at teenagers..when thier hormones start kicking in do they not behave differently to when they're children?As the hormones flood the system the effects are visible and noticible..agression and mood swings included.

Are you saying increased test levels is the only reason for their mood change? What about social pressure, friends, parents etc etc?

Degsy wrote: »

Done it have you?

Have you?

Hanley · 10-10-2010 11:43AM

Mellor wrote: »

He wasn't saying only asshoels take it, he was saying it that people who take it are more likely to be assholes

This.

Barry.Oglesby · 10-10-2010 04:58PM

Wow a lot of people don't really know what steroids are or do, but still seem to have an opinion.

Amazing.

john_cappa · 10-10-2010 06:42PM

Mellor wrote: »

He wasn't saying only asshoels take it, he was saying it that people who take it are more likely to be assholes, than somebody who refuses to take it, DUCY?

I first mentioned assholes and gear and the above is not what i meant.
I meant that if you are a relatively normal wel rounded person before taking AAS then after/during you will still be a normal well rounded person. If your an aggressive asshole before hand then after wards chances are you will be even worse.

Then again its unfair to generalise in anyway really.

Hanley · 10-10-2010 07:37PM

john_cappa wrote: »

I meant that if you are a relatively normal wel rounded person before taking AAS then after/during you will still be a normal well rounded person. If your an aggressive asshole before hand then after wards chances are you will be even worse.

I think the only people not getting that are the ones who don't want to get it!

d'Oracle · 10-10-2010 07:54PM

I see some people talking about how some blokes who take annabolic steroids get mood issues.

It makes me think of a few girls I know who turned into absolute wagons due to certain types of the pill. (and they would admit this)

I wonder if ROID RAGE, is a similar thing.

By thing I mean certain people having some sort of reaction to the odd hormone levels.
Anyone any thoughts?

Also, why can't people talk about bodybuilding without steroids?
The steroid thing always just gets silly.

Remmy · 10-10-2010 08:12PM

d'Oracle wrote: »

Also, why can't people talk about bodybuilding without steroids?

They pretty much go hand in hand tbh any time that discussion is raised.

g'em · 10-10-2010 08:31PM

d'Oracle wrote: »

It makes me think of a few girls I know who turned into absolute wagons due to certain types of the pill. (and they would admit this)

that's a fairly logical analogy to make, but, just as with testosterone use, there is no clinically proven mechanism by which the contraceptive pill affects women's mood adversarily. Some reports say there is no effect some say there's a positive effect, some say both. That doesn't mean to say it doesn't exist, in either the pill or test supplementation, but it's unproven either way. Anecdotally you can talk to girls (or those close to them) who swear their mood takes a severe turn southwards when she starts taking the pill but the research suggests that shouldn't be the case. It doesn't mean she's imagining it, I think it's more a case that there is still quite a lot that's misunderstood or just not understood at all about how these things work. I've tried a variety of different hormonal contraceptives and I've noticed a huge range of side-effects which the studies tell me I shouldn't have had.

d'Oracle wrote:

By thing I mean certain people having some sort of reaction to the odd hormone levels.
Anyone any thoughts?

The problem with looking at these things is that there are SO many variables involved, primarily what are the endogenous levels of the androgen in any given individual, how much of the steroid is needed to induce an effect (if any), is the individual engaging in exercise or other activities that would promote natural anabolic steroid natural production, have they a history of aggressive behaviour and so on.

Test supplementation has been shown to be a mood improver in depressed individuals, but that's primarily in those who have suppressed levels to begin with. Individuals with elevated endogenous test levels have been shown to have increased aggression and/ or irritability levels. However, whether or not that aggression and/or irritability expresses itself as negative or aggressive behaviour depends on many other sociological factors in that individuals' life.

I'll have to have a trawl through some of the literature tomorrow when I'm work to get some proper data on it.

d'Oracle wrote:

Also, why can't people talk about bodybuilding without steroids?
The steroid thing always just gets silly.

I guess most people see them as intrinsically linked things. And yeah, it usually does get silly, but it's more than a little amusing to see the lack of comprehension by most people about what roids do and don't do. The scary part is knowing that there are people out there who will do cycles with the same lack of knowledge

Jarren · 10-10-2010 08:50PM

Basically:pac:

Mellor · 11-10-2010 05:07AM

john_cappa wrote: »

I first mentioned assholes and gear and the above is not what i meant.
I meant that if you are a relatively normal wel rounded person before taking AAS then after/during you will still be a normal well rounded person. If your an aggressive asshole before hand then after wards chances are you will be even worse.

Then again its unfair to generalise in anyway really.

That's great and all. But my post had nothing to do with you.
Devastator quoted Hanley.

FYI you post wasn't difficult to follow.

An asshole off gear= bigger asshole on gear.

Pretty simple tbh.

daveywavey2010 · 11-10-2010 07:00AM

JayRoc wrote: »

Eh....Nope.

Bahahaha, GTFO. After the first day of clomid you get the closest to what a woman feels like during PMS that ya ever, ever want to be. Nolva might not be as effective but the mood problems are definitely less of a problem.

SanoVitae · 11-10-2010 07:46AM

john_cappa wrote: »

Obvioiusly they have an effect onn the hormone balance in ones body.

This is exactly why I believe they cause the so-called "roid rage".

If a drug mimics the effect of testosterone to build muscle, why wouldn't it increase aggression in those who take them regularly and over a long period of time?

It wouldn't matter to me if there were many studies which "proved" that alcohol doesn't have any effect on aggression levels. Based on what I believe to be logic (i.e. increased levels of testerone will increase aggression within an individual, decreased levels = decreased aggression etc), what I've experienced myself and seen in others, I believe that alcohol does indeed have this effect.

When it comes to steroids, my beliefs about its negative effects on mood are based more on the accounts of users and ex-users (mostly retired pro bodybuilders who were once amongst the elite e.g. Mike Matarazzo) than any study I've read.

john_cappa wrote: »

An asshole off gear= bigger asshole on gear.

This is not due to the gear, just due to them being an asshole in the first place.

I agree 100%.

This is my last post on this topic. I never meant to drag it off-thread - my first post had that exact effect though!

Why do bodybuilders dehydrate themselves before contests?

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