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Skeptics...what conspiracy theories could you have some faith in?

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  • #52
    joebucks
    Closed Accounts Posts: 728 ✭✭✭joebucks


    Mossad are the dodgiest of them all.


  • #53
    robindch
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 24,420 Mod ✭✭✭✭robindch


    joebucks wrote: »
    I accuse you of having repressed desire for sodomy which has remained unfulfilled. [...] This may be the reason you are so anal retentive [...]
    As you're the poster who mentioned "erse" first, I'm afraid that the shape and texture of men's bums does unfortunately appear to be of greater interest to your excellent self than they are to King Mob (who seems unmoved by their allure).

    I am, however, intrigued that you think that HARRP is something other than what it is documented to be. If it's not too much trouble, could you fill us in on the details of HAARP, as understood by the paranoid conspiracy theorist community, as these have had little or no airing here in Ireland yet and consequently, this forum has not yet had a chance to debunk them properly?

    Much obliged.


  • #54
    King Mob
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,323 ✭✭✭✭King Mob


    joebucks wrote: »
    I do not accuse you of sodomy, I accuse you of having repressed desire for sodomy which has remained unfulfilled. I have no problem with homosexuality and will not hold this against you.
    This may be the reason you are so anal retentive and feel the need to come on this page to 'debunk' all these topics.
    I have merely suggested that some of what conspiracy theorists talk about can and has been proved to contain a large element of truth and should warrant further investigation.
    I have never offered a view of what I believe t obe through as I am unsure of what is true thus the reason for furhter investigaion.
    You on the otherhand seem to be an authority on matters such as HAARP and know the truth. If you could be so kind as to share this truth you know with us here, we would be very grateful.
    Let it all out mate.
    You see all that bluster about wanting to "discuss" and "just want to ask questions" is complete hot air.
    I've asked you several very pertinent questions and all I get in response is childish name calling (and poor spelling.)
    So as I said this is why no one that's the nonsense you're spouting seriously.
    The second anyone asks a single crictial question the theories fall apart, then the theorist, rather than debate like an adult throws a hissy fit...
    joebucks wrote: »
    Mossad are the dodgiest of them all.
    So course, the insidious Joos...:rolleyes:


  • #55
    joebucks
    Closed Accounts Posts: 728 ✭✭✭joebucks


    I am interested in the possibility of the US and other governments using weather manipulation as a weapon. I have never claimed that it is a fact, that they are able to manipulate the weather. It is just something that I feel warrants further investigation. I am very confused over what HAARP is really being used for as their is many conflicting reports regarding this program.
    Ionospheric heating is one of the things being researched in the High Frequency Active Auroral Research Program. Ionospheric heating can be regarded as weather manipulation.
    Please check out page 18 of this US Air Force PDF, regarding Ionospheric Heating and possible applications to military operations.
    http://csat.au.af.mil/2025/volume3/vol3ch15.pdf


  • #56
    joebucks
    Closed Accounts Posts: 728 ✭✭✭joebucks


    It's all about Das Effekt mate.


  • #57
    King Mob
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,323 ✭✭✭✭King Mob


    joebucks wrote: »
    I am interested in the possibility of the US and other governments using weather manipulation as a weapon. I have never claimed that it is a fact, that they are able to manipulate the weather. It is just something that I feel warrants further investigation. I am very confused over what HAARP is really being used for as their is many conflicting reports regarding this program.
    Ionospheric heating is one of the things being researched in the High Frequency Active Auroral Research Program. Ionospheric heating can be regarded as weather manipulation.
    Please check out page 18 of this US Air Force PDF, regarding Ionospheric Heating and possible applications to military operations.
    http://csat.au.af.mil/2025/volume3/vol3ch15.pdf
    Ionospheric heating cannot change the weather at all.
    This is simply because weather does not form anywhere even close to there.

    And even if it did, anything HAARP does would be totally nullified by the sun rise.

    Where are these "conflicting reports" exactly?


  • #58
    joebucks
    Closed Accounts Posts: 728 ✭✭✭joebucks


    The book 'ANGELS DON’T PLAY THIS HAARP’ by Jeane Manning and Dr.Nick Begich offers a more sinister view on HAARP
    http://www.amazon.com/Angels-Dont-Play-This-Haarp/dp/0964881209

    Whereas the US government and research agencies would offer a contradictory opinion on HAARP..

    So there we have conflicting reports.

    Can you please direct me to some reliable information on this topic?


  • #59
    King Mob
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,323 ✭✭✭✭King Mob


    joebucks wrote: »
    The book 'ANGELS DON’T PLAY THIS HAARP’ by Jeane Manning and Dr.Nick Begich offers a more sinister view on HAARP
    http://www.amazon.com/Angels-Dont-Play-This-Haarp/dp/0964881209

    Whereas the US government and research agencies would offer a contradictory opinion on HAARP..

    So there we have conflicting reports.
    Well there are plenty of people who believe that the earth is 6000 years old and with plenty of books about this view.

    Practically every scientist and piece of scientific literature disagree.

    So we have conflicting reports here too?

    But I suppose crazy cranks on the internet must be telling the truth...
    joebucks wrote: »
    Can you please direct me to some reliable information on this topic?
    Well aside for the actual sources and the scientific papers which used HAARP, here's a good summary: http://skeptoid.com/episodes/4122

    Now can you explain that if the government was operating a secret weather controlling device, why exactly would they publish the report you posted?


  • #60
    joebucks
    Closed Accounts Posts: 728 ✭✭✭joebucks


    King Mob wrote: »

    Now can you explain that if the government was operating a secret weather controlling device, why exactly would they publish the report you posted?

    I never said that the government was operating a secret weather controlling device. All I have said is that HAARP/possibility of controlling the weather is something that should be researched further and more people should be aware of.

    Why would they publish such a report if they were not researching weather controlling possibilities??


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  • #61
    King Mob
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,323 ✭✭✭✭King Mob


    joebucks wrote: »
    I never said that the government was operating a secret weather controlling device. All I have said is that HAARP/possibility of controlling the weather is something that should be researched further and more people should be aware of.
    But HAARP cannot control the weather.
    There is no possible way for it do do so.
    joebucks wrote: »
    Why would they publish such a report if they were not researching weather controlling possibilities??
    Because there are members of the military who think it would be a good idea to do it.
    Just like there's people who thing they should use more UAVs. Is that a conspiracy too?

    Note as well how the document says they will only have the ability to modify the weather by 2025?
    And also notice that they don't say anything about HAARP being used as a weather controlling device.

    So why do you think they published the report?


  • #62
    joebucks
    Closed Accounts Posts: 728 ✭✭✭joebucks


    Why?
    Same reason as you man, there are members of military who think it a good idea to modify the weather. You are right it is not a conspiracy.


  • #63
    King Mob
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,323 ✭✭✭✭King Mob


    joebucks wrote: »
    Why?
    Same reason as you man, there are members of military who think it a good idea to modify the weather. You are right it is not a conspiracy.
    Yes. things tend not to be a conspiracy when people freely admit their intentions.
    Something to do with the definition of the word.

    And did you actually note the fact they it has nothing to do with HAARP?


  • #64
    Turtwig
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,578 ✭✭✭✭Turtwig


    When I started page three of this thread I had trouble identifying where exactly the goalposts were standing. Now, even though the point of origin is still a mystery to me, it seems these goalposts are in constant accelerated motion.


  • #65
    joebucks
    Closed Accounts Posts: 728 ✭✭✭joebucks


    Exactly it is all in the definiton. I have never said HAARP was a conspiracy. My initial post said:
    "Research any of these and I'm sure you'll come up with alot more questions than answers"
    So to come back to the question:

    And did you actually note the fact they it has nothing to do with HAARP?

    The military document I posted earlier outlines the testing of the ionosphere for potential use as a military tool so I would say that it does have something to do with HAARP.
    HAARP itself may not be a conspiracy but It raises questions for me about other possible US military projects as outlined in the Air Force document I posted earlier. Asking questions about HAARP has led me to further information about things like
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Popeye
    I think it is important for people to know more about these projects.


  • #66
    joebucks
    Closed Accounts Posts: 728 ✭✭✭joebucks


    Whodunnit?


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  • #67
    King Mob
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,323 ✭✭✭✭King Mob


    joebucks wrote: »
    Exactly it is all in the definiton. I have never said HAARP was a conspiracy. My initial post said:
    "Research any of these and I'm sure you'll come up with alot more questions than answers"
    What questions?

    All you have so far is nonsensical and baseless accusations of some non-specific stuff, all based on you where told to believe so by the internet.
    Which is my point.
    joebucks wrote: »
    So to come back to the question:

    And did you actually note the fact they it has nothing to do with HAARP?

    The military document I posted earlier outlines the testing of the ionosphere for potential use as a military tool so I would say that it does have something to do with HAARP.
    So you think they might be using HAARP to test ways to improve radio transmissions and GPS accuracy.
    So even if this were true, so what?
    Not exactly a crime or particularly evil.
    joebucks wrote: »
    HAARP itself may not be a conspiracy but It raises questions for me about other possible US military projects as outlined in the Air Force document I posted earlier. Asking questions about HAARP has led me to further information about things like
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Popeye
    I think it is important for people to know more about these projects.
    So by believeing in nonsense claims about HAARP you found a project that was nothing like HAARP from 1972 that they don't do anymore.
    Ace reporting there....


  • #68
    joebucks
    Closed Accounts Posts: 728 ✭✭✭joebucks


    King Mob wrote: »
    What questions?

    All you have so far is nonsensical and baseless accusations of some non-specific stuff, all based on you where told to believe so by the internet.
    Which is my point.




    So by believeing in nonsense claims about HAARP you found a project that was nothing like HAARP from 1972 that they don't do anymore.
    Ace reporting there....


    Where did I say I believe in nonsense claims?


  • #69
    King Mob
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,323 ✭✭✭✭King Mob


    joebucks wrote: »
    Where did I say I believe in nonsense claims?

    So now not only do you not believe HAARP is not a earthquake machine or that there is even a conspiracy around it, what exactly was your point?

    You've moved the goalposts so much it's hard to tell...


  • #70
    joebucks
    Closed Accounts Posts: 728 ✭✭✭joebucks


    I don't have a point. I just came on here for a buzz.


  • #71
    King Mob
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,323 ✭✭✭✭King Mob


    joebucks wrote: »
    I don't have a point.

    That's pretty obvious.
    And common feature for most PCTs.


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  • #72
    joebucks
    Closed Accounts Posts: 728 ✭✭✭joebucks


    King Mob wrote: »
    That's pretty obvious.
    And common feature for most PCTs.

    That's the thing man I don't know anything and I have no problem admitting that. I am skeptical or as you would might say paranoid about a few things.

    You must be right as you have read reports from scientists and skeptoids and they are never wrong and would never publish misleading data to get their own point across.

    Anyway I must go and enjoy the sunshine while it lasts, there are 5 jets flying over Dublin and their contrails seem to be forming clouds. Strange that.


  • #73
    King Mob
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,323 ✭✭✭✭King Mob


    joebucks wrote: »
    That's the thing man I don't know anything and I have no problem admitting that. I am skeptical or as you would might say paranoid about a few things.
    Skepticism relies on evidence, paranoia doesn't need evidence.
    You are paranoid.
    joebucks wrote: »
    You must be right as you have read reports from scientists and skeptoids and they are never wrong and would never publish misleading data to get their own point across.
    Where did I say that scientists and "skeptoids" are never wrong?
    If you think they are wrong why not show they are wrong?
    If you can't show they are wrong, they're probably not.
    joebucks wrote: »
    Anyway I must go and enjoy the sunshine while it lasts, there are 5 jets flying over Dublin and their contrails seem to be forming clouds. Strange that.
    And yet another completely nonsense theory you've bought into because people on the internet told you to....


  • #74
    joebucks
    Closed Accounts Posts: 728 ✭✭✭joebucks


    King Mob wrote: »
    Skepticism relies on evidence, paranoia doesn't need evidence.
    You are paranoid..

    Paranoid about what?

    [

    King Mob wrote: »
    And yet another completely nonsense theory you've bought into because people on the internet told you to....

    Bought into what? What is there to buy into?


  • #75
    King Mob
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,323 ✭✭✭✭King Mob


    joebucks wrote: »
    Paranoid about what?
    That the government/lizard people/the jews/whoever you believe are after you.
    joebucks wrote: »
    Bought into what? What is there to buy into?
    You tell me. You're the one you thinks aeroplanes cause clouds...


  • #76
    joebucks
    Closed Accounts Posts: 728 ✭✭✭joebucks


    King Mob wrote: »
    That the government/lizard people/the jews/whoever you believe are after you.


    You tell me. You're the one you thinks aeroplanes cause clouds...

    Lizard people? Jews? Where? How do you know about that? Don't tell anyone or they'll come for you to

    I don't understand this **** but some scientists seem to think that contrails can form clouds.

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/8309629.stm


  • #77
    King Mob
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,323 ✭✭✭✭King Mob


    joebucks wrote: »
    Lizard people? Jews? Where? How do you know about that? Don't tell anyone or they'll come for you to
    well whoever you have been told is secretly controlling the world.
    joebucks wrote: »
    I don't understand this **** but some scientists seem to think that contrails can form clouds.

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/8309629.stm

    Those fiends, not....clouds!
    What was your point again?


  • #78
    robindch
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 24,420 Mod ✭✭✭✭robindch


    King Mob wrote: »
    Those fiends, not....clouds!
    Contrails -- another very sneaky attempt by the Illuminati/Rosicrucians/Jews/Atheists/Communists/Trilateral Commission/etc to control the world by secretly adding mind-altering chemicals to jetfuel (that don't get destroyed during the 1200 degree combustion) and that are smart enough to form clouds that then hang around certain areas where they rain upon the extensively paranoid. This conspiracy involves the uber-conspirators (obviously), the oil companies, the plane manufacturers, the pilots + navigators, air traffic control, the chemical companies and sundry other groups.

    If I wanted to do this, I'd have thought it a tad easier to go to reservoir at midnight with a sackful of happy tablets.


  • #79
    King Mob
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,323 ✭✭✭✭King Mob


    robindch wrote: »
    If I wanted to do this, I'd have thought it a tad easier to go to reservoir at midnight with a sackful of happy tablets.
    They can't do that.
    They're already pumping us full of fluoride to keep us from developing our psychic powers.
    And everyone knows you can't mix mind control chemicals and psychic suppression chemicals...


  • #80
    joebucks
    Closed Accounts Posts: 728 ✭✭✭joebucks


    King Mob wrote: »
    Those fiends, not....clouds!
    What was your point again?

    My point? Enjoy the sunshine before it becomes cloudy. Apparently Vitamin D is good for you.


  • #81
    King Mob
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,323 ✭✭✭✭King Mob


    joebucks wrote: »
    My point? Enjoy the sunshine before it becomes cloudy. Apparently Vitamin D is good for you.

    Joe, you're doing a bang up job proving that paranoid conspiracy theories should be taken seriously...


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  • #82
    joebucks
    Closed Accounts Posts: 728 ✭✭✭joebucks


    King Mob wrote: »
    Joe, you're doing a bang up job proving that paranoid conspiracy theories should be taken seriously...

    Cheers mate.

    I'm glad you are finally beginning to see the light.


  • #83
    King Mob
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,323 ✭✭✭✭King Mob


    joebucks wrote: »
    Cheers mate.

    I'm glad you are finally beginning to see the light.

    The confused, poorly researched and stupid light....


  • #84
    ThelotusKid
    Closed Accounts Posts: 202 ✭✭ThelotusKid


    joebucks just got killed.


  • #85
    joebucks
    Closed Accounts Posts: 728 ✭✭✭joebucks


    ThelotusKid wrote: »
    joebucks just got killed.

    How do you figure that?

    If you are smart enough pass a comment about me, I would be obliged if you would inform me how you came to this conclusion.


  • #86
    ThelotusKid
    Closed Accounts Posts: 202 ✭✭ThelotusKid


    joebucks wrote: »
    How do you figure that?
    Quite simple really, just read through the thread.
    You got creamed.:D


  • #87
    joebucks
    Closed Accounts Posts: 728 ✭✭✭joebucks


    ThelotusKid wrote: »
    Quite simple really, just read through the thread.
    You got creamed.:D

    Creamed? On what points?


  • #88
    ThelotusKid
    Closed Accounts Posts: 202 ✭✭ThelotusKid


    You’re a tenacious little bugger, I’ll give you that, but then again, the tenacity is due to the anonymity and not the veracity of your statements.

    Maybe you should try convincing your parents of your worldview first.

    Love to be a fly on the wall for that.:p


  • #89
    joebucks
    Closed Accounts Posts: 728 ✭✭✭joebucks


    ThelotusKid wrote: »
    You’re a tenacious little bugger, I’ll give you that, but then again, the tenacity is due to the anonymity and not the veracity of your statements.

    Maybe you should try convincing your parents of your worldview first.

    What statements would you like verified?

    Again what points was I creamed on?

    What part of my worldview should I try and convince my parents about?


  • #90
    ThelotusKid
    Closed Accounts Posts: 202 ✭✭ThelotusKid


    Your contributions to this thread are testament to your Modus Operandi.

    A lesson in obfuscation.

    A clear view into the inner workings of the dishonest mind.

    I wouldn't ask you for directions, so please don't attempt to engage me with your questions.

    Just go back and re-read the thread.


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  • #91
    joebucks
    Closed Accounts Posts: 728 ✭✭✭joebucks


    ThelotusKid wrote: »

    A clear view into the inner workings of the dishonest mind.


    Please identify one point I was dishonest about.
    I wouldn't ask you for directions, so please don't attempt to engage me with your questions.

    Interesting tactic for avoiding my questions.

    Good effort. Nice Try. Hard Luck.


  • #92
    ThelotusKid
    Closed Accounts Posts: 202 ✭✭ThelotusKid


    I’m guessing you were brought up in some religious cult – I’m going for Jehovah Witness.

    As an adult, (guessing you’re in the mid-thirties) with a woefully underdeveloped emotional cognition, you seek societal acceptance through chameleon-like adaptations, as you wander from group to group looking to get laid, never committing to any particular philosophy, unless, it’s demanded by the particular group (or by a powerful individual within the group).

    Quite recently, (within the past 5 years) an event occurred, (most probably the ending of a romantic relationship) that triggered a violent retreat from reality, which, due to your previous impotence, you fiercely defend.

    Do you want to hear more?


  • #93
    joebucks
    Closed Accounts Posts: 728 ✭✭✭joebucks


    ThelotusKid wrote: »

    Do you want to hear more?

    Yes keep going.


  • #94
    ThelotusKid
    Closed Accounts Posts: 202 ✭✭ThelotusKid


    Only if you explain the interest in ‘Doom’.

    When, where and why – explain.


  • #95
    joebucks
    Closed Accounts Posts: 728 ✭✭✭joebucks


    ThelotusKid wrote: »
    Only if you explain the interest in ‘Doom’.

    When, where and why – explain.

    Do you know who DOOM is?


  • #96
    ThelotusKid
    Closed Accounts Posts: 202 ✭✭ThelotusKid


    I know you're not in the habit of answering straight questions, and prefer to respond to enquiries with a question of your own, but what is your interest in 'DOOM'?

    When, where and why - explain.

    And, no, I don't know who 'DOOM' is, apart from being a rapper.


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  • #97
    joebucks
    Closed Accounts Posts: 728 ✭✭✭joebucks


    ThelotusKid wrote: »
    I know you're not in the habit of answering straight questions, and prefer to respond to enquiries with a question of your own, but what is your interest in 'DOOM'?

    When, where and why - explain.

    And, no, I don't know who 'DOOM' is, apart from being a rapper.

    My interest in DOOM is irrelevant to this thread.

    If you want to discuss him, Please do so in the appropriate forum

    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?threadid=2055994547

    Now you have yet to address any of my questions. So I would be obliged if you would outline on what points I was 'creamed'.


  • #98
    robindch
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 24,420 Mod ✭✭✭✭robindch


    ThelotusKid wrote: »
    Do you want to hear more?
    Joe might want to, but the rest of the forum probably doesn't.

    Please take this to PM.


  • #99
    Capt'n Midnight
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 92,450 Mod ✭✭✭✭Capt'n Midnight


    Blue_Lagoon wrote: »
    C. Wright Mills called them the power elite, and claimed that 2% of the population controlled 80% of the wealth.
    Or in the case of the USA (richest country in the world etc.) , back in 2005 Bill Gates controlled more wealth than the bottom 40% of the population ( 110,000,000 people )

    The whole legal system is full of complicated laws. Not too complicated to be unworkable, but complicated enough so that it's worth rich people hiring lawyers to avoid taxation and the full rigours of the law. Complicated enough so the rest of us who can't afford lawyers get stung.


    I was going to post graphs of wealth distribution in the US but there was no point.

    Note: Because of their small percentage share of total wealth, both the “4th 20%” value
    (0.2%) and the “Bottom 20%” value (0.1%) are not visible in the “Actual” distribution.

    It would be interesting to do the same for Ireland, but take into account wealth flows out of the country / factor in realistic prices for property


  • #100
    deem79
    Registered Users Posts: 74 ✭✭deem79


    This is pathetic


  • #101
    Belfast
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,355 ✭✭✭Belfast


    I think the word the way the word "Conspiracy" is used in the media is a conspiracy to label anyone on who comes up with a different explanation of events the main stream as insane.


    Perfect way to silence or marginalise Critics and Skeptics is to say they are "Conspiracy theorists"


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